NDP and Liberals willing to merge together

[rwm1273]

Most Liberal, NDP supporters back party merger: poll

More than half of federal Liberal and NDP supporters back the idea of their parties merging into one with the aim of of defeating Stephen Harper's Conservatives, a new poll suggests.

The online survey of more than 1,000 Canadians, conducted exclusively for Postmedia News and Global Television, also shows Harper leading all party leaders when it comes to positive impressions, with 28 per cent of those surveyed voting favorably for the prime minister.

By comparison, when asked whether they had positive, negative or no impressions either way of the other leaders, just 19 per cent said NDP leader Thomas Mulcair had left a positive impression on them, followed by interim Liberal leader Bob Rae at 18 per cent.

While Harper's popularity "is a little lower than what you would expect, it's all relative," said Ipsos Reid CEO Darrell Bricker.

"It's all (about), how do you compare to your major competitors? And obviously (Harper) is pretty well ahead."

Harper is a "well-known quantity to Canadians right now," Bricker added. "There's not a lot new that they have to learn about him."

The real news, he said, is that Mulcair "isn't taking off" and still needs to establish his personality and his appeal with the Canadian public.

"Mulcair, in spite of all of the speculation in Ottawa about how things have taken off for him since the leadership contest, I just don't see it," Bricker said.

"The challenge for Mulcair is to stand up and get defined."

Sixty per cent of those surveyed said they had no impression either way of the NDP leader. However, only 20 per cent had negative impressions of Mulcair — substantially fewer than the 48 per cent who had negative impressions of Harper.

Overall, a majority of Canadians "agree" either strongly (19 per cent) or somewhat (38 per cent) that they consider the Liberal Party to be a "party of the past, not a party of the future," according to the poll.

Among Liberal supporters, 21 per cent believe their own party is a party of the past.

The poll comes as Liberals mull allowing interim leader Bob Rae to run for the party's permanent leadership.

In accepting the interim leadership following the Liberals' third-place showing in last year's federal election, Rae agreed to a stipulation laid out by the board that he would not run for the permanent leadership.

Despite the promise, the board is widely expected to pave the way for him to run when it meets next week.

More interesting is whether any Liberal leadership hopeful campaigns on a ticket of supporting a merger of the left, "because clearly a majority of Liberal party supporters think it's a good idea," Bricker said.

Sixty-four per cent of Liberal supporters and 57 per cent of NDP voters said they "strongly" or "somewhat" support their parties merging into a single party.

Canadians as a whole seem divided on whether a new Liberal leader will make a difference: one half (52 per cent) agree that regardless of who the party chooses as its next leader, they have "pretty much written off the Liberals."

The other half (48 per cent) disagree.

"Anything can happen and that's what you're still seeing. People haven't made up their minds about this yet," Bricker said.

The poll was conducted between June 5 and June 7 and involved a sample of 1,010 Canadians interviewed online. The poll has an estimated margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, of what the results would have been had the entire population of adults in Canada been polled.

With files from Lee Berthiaume, Postmedia News

skirey@postmedia.com

This explains a lot about the new politics. Liberals are NDP, and NDP are Liberals. Both want to take from the few and give to the many. If these parties merge, it is only a matter or time before we will be like the Greeks and Italians.

[Hagalaz]

More than half of federal Liberal and NDP supporters back the idea of their parties merging into one with the aim of of defeating Stephen Harper's Conservatives, a new poll suggests.

So they want to be twice the losers they are right now?

I shudder to think what life would be like under a Liberal/NDP overlord. I wonder how much further they would destroy this country.

[riden]

So many on the left are so angry right now, I find it really hard to believe they will continue splitting the left vote.

I think they may merge by next federal election, if not, another Con majority and it is a sure thing.

[Mb-MBR]

If the "right" can merge, why not the left???

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

If the "right" can merge, why not the left???

At least when the PC party merged with the Reform, both parties were conservative.

NDP and Liberal are not the same, but have become the same.

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

At least when the PC party merged with the Reform, both parties were conservative.

NDP and Liberal are not the same, but have become the same.

Tomatoe tomato..............To be honest, I think they're all the same!!!

[HunterDave]

If they merge will the new party be twice as screwed up?

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

Tomatoe tomato..............To be honest, I think they're all the same!!!

Only to those that don't know the difference between the fundamental differences of political ideals.

[silverdoctor]

How soon people forgot Bob Rae - the NDP premier of Ontario in the 90's. He's since switched to liberal, so it doesn't really matter who's who in the zoo. One is as bad as the other.

[dantonsen]

it's a tough choice these days, maybe we will end up like the usa? Two major partys and who ever has the biggest pile of money wins, we are certainly well on our way there.

Harper only got in because two other partys had to split the remaining votes, definitely wasn't a land slide victory

[BlackHeart]

So what do you get when you crossbreed a liberal and an NDP?


First clue.....both slither, so offspring will sither.
Second clue....both are clueless about world economics so offspring.....
Third clue......both are socialists so.....
Forth clue......both ignore really world examples like greece, so...
Fifty clue.....both are poisionous.......

Answer....a greek rattlesnake that curls around your wallet and bites your for the good of society.....or someone like dantosen.

[Peterupnorth]

I generally stuff both garbage bags in the same burning barrel.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

So what do you get when you crossbreed a liberal and an NDP?


First clue.....both slither, so offspring will sither.
Second clue....both are clueless about world economics so offspring.....
Third clue......both are socialists so.....
Forth clue......both ignore really world examples like greece, so...
Fifty clue.....both are poisionous.......

Answer....a greek rattlesnake that curls around your wallet and bites your for the good of society.....or someone like dantosen.

Nice

[avb3]

Scary thought, not just because of the politics, but because at some point in time the Conservatives will get long in the tooth, screw up, and the Canadian electorate will want change.

If the only change available is an NDP/Lib party, watch out. Trudeau and Chretien will have been god sents in comparison.

The trouble is, conservative minded people have no control over the situation. One can only hope that the egos of the parties on the left are big enough to eclipse the hate they have for the current government. Maybe there are enough Liberals left who have a sense of entitlement and think the current situation is just a bump in being the "natural governing party".

[TomCanuck]

Can't see it, the two are quite far apart on economic issues. I suspect, and hope that the NDP has peaked, and is on its way back to where it should be. I shudder to think the harm they would do Alberta and Canada if they ever gained power.

Part of the NDP is extreme left, the same cannot be said for the LPC.

On social issues, they are close, but for Federal races, the economy is the big issue.

[dantonsen]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

So what do you get when you crossbreed a liberal and an NDP?


First clue.....both slither, so offspring will sither.
Second clue....both are clueless about world economics so offspring.....
Third clue......both are socialists so.....
Forth clue......both ignore really world examples like greece, so...
Fifty clue.....both are poisionous.......

Answer....a greek rattlesnake that curls around your wallet and bites your for the good of society.....or someone like dantosen.

hmmmmm, I remember the liberals taking canada from a 36 billion dollar deficit under Mulroney to surpluses under Chretien and Martin.... Then we promptly went back into deficits when Harper got in, and that was before 09

Liberals have made the largest cuts to social spending in Canadian history,



Then again I just took a jab from a guy that spells 'fourth' 'forth',lol

[hal53]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

hmmmmm, I remember the liberals taking canada from a 36 billion dollar deficit under Mulroney to surpluses under Chretien and Martin.... Then we promptly went back into deficits when Harper got in, and that was before 09

Liberals have made the largest cuts to social spending in Canadian history,



Then again I just took a jab from a guy that spells 'fourth' 'forth',lol

They "balanced" it by slashing and gutting the military and cleaning out the EI account, give credit where credit is due......

[TomCanuck]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

hmmmmm, I remember the liberals taking canada from a 36 billion dollar deficit under Mulroney to surpluses under Chretien and Martin.... Then we promptly went back into deficits when Harper got in, and that was before 09

Liberals have made the largest cuts to social spending in Canadian history,



Then again I just took a jab from a guy that spells 'fourth' 'forth',lol

Yeah, but did they not get those surpluses on the backs of the provinces? Did they not redirect EI surpluses as well?

Martin was the best conservative finance minister (on paper) the country ever had. As a PM, he was an abject failure.

Also, the fact that the Liberals committed the CF to Afghanistan without the needed kit, is in my view criminal.

[Mekanik]

Yup. Merge the left. There's a big ol'room and a giant umbrella the NDP and the LPC can rally around. It took the Right a long time to get around the notion of getting together, Harper's certainly a pretty good catalyst to bring the Left together faster.

To me, Harper's the least of the evils. I don't trust him, never have. He's a politician like every other one and never forget that. He only needs you once every four years and will try and buy you with your own money just as fast as the rest of them do.

Wonder what he'll promise us next time he needs us.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

hmmmmm, I remember the liberals taking canada from a 36 billion dollar deficit under Mulroney to surpluses under Chretien and Martin.... Then we promptly went back into deficits when Harper got in, and that was before 09

Liberals have made the largest cuts to social spending in Canadian history,



Then again I just took a jab from a guy that spells 'fourth' 'forth',lol

Your last sentence......good one.......but in my defense, it was 3:00am, I was drinking plenty, typing on my IPhone, not watching auto-correct.....and drafting plans for world domination.

You need to stop believing the crap that the liberal party is feeding you.....nice revisionist history and quite selective on the tidbits....but generally as valid as quoting somebody out of context or using their every other word.

It totally useless and pointless to have a logical debate or discussion, with you when you do that. And it makes you appear to be a brainwashed shill of the left..., just regurgitating the spin bites....worse than rotten meat, dog puke.

So quit editing history to support your leftist socialistic teacher
-spoon-fed garbage view points....it demeans you and you should be smarter than that....go out into the world with your eyes and mind open and see what is unfolding out there.....find the real truth versus the crap you have been fed by your socialist teachers. It may takesome courage to form your own understanding of the effects of socialism and also of capitalism(there is problems in both) and then decide how you would like to live and what future you can expect under each system.

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

Harper only got in because two other partys had to split the remaining votes, definitely wasn't a land slide victory

I don't think that's all that correct a statement. Harper got in because he accrued the most votes per party.

To say that he wouldn't have gotten in if there were less parties is speculation at best.

If the Libs/NDP amalgamate, there is no saying that their respective voters will support the resulting party. Those votes may go elsewhere as well - yes, even to the Conservatives.

[Mekanik]

Originally Posted by doetracks

I don't think that's all that correct a statement. Harper got in because he accrued the most votes per party.

To say that he wouldn't have gotten in if there were less parties is speculation at best.

If the Libs/NDP amalgamate, there is no saying that their respective voters will support the resulting party. Those votes may go elsewhere as well - yes, even to the Conservatives.

Middle and Right leaning middle would definitely support Harper if he gave a few concessions their way regarding spending. Middle left is iffy, left and "Help I've fallen into the pacific because I'm so far left!" types would likely go for it.

Libs are typically a centrist party anyways. Usually right around whatever's good for the middle ... like ... Ontario. Yeah, that's kinda the middle, isn't it?

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by Mekanik

Yup. Merge the left. There's a big ol'room and a giant umbrella the NDP and the LPC can rally around. It took the Right a long time to get around the notion of getting together, Harper's certainly a pretty good catalyst to bring the Left together faster.

To me, Harper's the least of the evils. I don't trust him, never have. He's a politician like every other one and never forget that. He only needs you once every four years and will try and buy you with your own money just as fast as the rest of them do.

Wonder what he'll promise us next time he needs us.

So far ,Harper is the only politician who put forth a platform ,won on it and actually did what he promised to do.All you have to do is look at the state of the rest of the world and it should tell you Harper knows what he is doing.Where else would you want to live right now?

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by pseelk

So far ,Harper is the only politician who put forth a platform ,won on it and actually did what he promised to do.All you have to do is look at the state of the rest of the world and it should tell you Harper knows what he is doing.Where else would you want to live right now?

X2

[Classic_Cool]

I for one wouldn't want to see it come down to a vote between the Liberals or the PC and no one else.

I sure as hell wasn't a Bloc supporter but atleast the option was there if people wanted to vote for it. Generally the parties will put forth the election promises that a) They think people want and b) That they feel like doing.

We the people don't get to table issues that we want discussed and voted on.

[Mekanik]

Originally Posted by pseelk

So far ,Harper is the only politician who put forth a platform ,won on it and actually did what he promised to do.All you have to do is look at the state of the rest of the world and it should tell you Harper knows what he is doing.Where else would you want to live right now?

I have never wanted to live anywhere but Canada; never will, regardless of whatever bonehead we elect.

Harper's platform was stay the course and he is staying the course. There's not much else we can do. Spending your way out of a deficit is a foolish idea. The reason he can stay the course has nothing to do with him, it has to do with bank legislation enacted under Mulrooney and Chretien for the reasons that became readily apparent in the market collapses. Harper is in the right place at the right time so don't give him too much credit. When the finanaces or times get tough, historically Canadians tend to elect tories. When we figure out they're the same crooks as the Liberals, by that time we've forgotten that the Libs are crooks too.

It doesn't help that Dion, Dionne, Rae, Layton, and Mulcair have been basically making him look normal and intelligent by comparison for a while, too.

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by Mekanik

I have never wanted to live anywhere but Canada; never will, regardless of whatever bonehead we elect.

Harper's platform was stay the course and he is staying the course. There's not much else we can do. Spending your way out of a deficit is a foolish idea. The reason he can stay the course has nothing to do with him, it has to do with bank legislation enacted under Mulrooney and Chretien for the reasons that became readily apparent in the market collapses. Harper is in the right place at the right time so don't give him too much credit. When the finanaces or times get tough, historically Canadians tend to elect tories. When we figure out they're the same crooks as the Liberals, by that time we've forgotten that the Libs are crooks too.

It doesn't help that Dion, Dionne, Rae, Layton, and Mulcair have been basically making him look normal and intelligent by comparison for a while, too.

No one is making him stay the course,His decision.Do you think Mulcair would do the same?Not likely.Harper is an economist,He"s already proven he knows what he"s doing even if you wont admit it.

[BlackHeart]

Wouldn't it be great if there was three islands..

....the pro-union, company getting rich off the backs of the downtrodden worker thinking, big safety net types, plenty of welfare, big social programs, anti-development, anti-industry, anti-oilsands, pro-CPP, etc, David Suzuki followers, etc.......you know the type....generally NDP.

...then the big government, mama state control, culturally enlightened (or they think of themselves), lots of rules, lots of taxes, all for your own good, cosmopolitan thinking, high taxes, abundant social programs, and gun control, plenty of lawyers and bureaucrats, etc .....you know the type, generally Liberal....could be on island number two.

And on the third island, low taxes, small govt, small social programs, lots of industry, pro-oilsands, take care of yourself thinking, etc....generally conservative, err reform, errr wildrose.

And no island hopping....you choose and you live with it. OHHH....no cheques from one island to support another island's "way of life".

How long would it take before island number one resembles communist Russia...before the breakup. Island number two was in worse shape than Greece, and island number three had the highest standard of living.

OHHH wait we do have three islands and other than the cheque(which without it,things on island number one and two would be in a real financial mess)....Quebec, Ontario and Alberta.

So in summary island number one and two in Canada can only afford their way of socialistic life because they are on Western Paid-For Welfare.

Really????? Shouldnt they have the conviction of their political beliefs to fund their own system if it is so great?????

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Wouldn't it be great if there was three islands..

....the pro-union, company getting rich off the backs of the downtrodden worker thinking, big safety net types, plenty of welfare, big social programs, anti-development, anti-industry, anti-oilsands, pro-CPP, etc, David Suzuki followers, etc.......you know the type....generally NDP.

...then the big government, mama state control, culturally enlightened (or they think of themselves), lots of rules, lots of taxes, all for your own good, cosmopolitan thinking, high taxes, abundant social programs, and gun control, plenty of lawyers and bureaucrats, etc .....you know the type, generally Liberal....could be on island number two.

And on the third island, low taxes, small govt, small social programs, lots of industry, pro-oilsands, take care of yourself thinking, etc....generally conservative, err reform, errr wildrose.

And no island hopping....you choose and you live with it. OHHH....no cheques from one island to support another island's "way of life".

How long would it take before island number one resembles communist Russia...before the breakup. Island number two was in worse shape than Greece, and island number three had the highest standard of living.

OHHH wait we do have three islands and other than the cheque(which without it,things on island number one and two would be in a real financial mess)....Quebec, Ontario and Alberta.

So in summary island number one and two in Canada can only afford their way of socialistic life because they are on Western Paid-For Welfare.

Really????? Shouldnt they have the conviction of their political beliefs to fund their own system if it is so great?????

x2,Very well said!

[Mekanik]

Originally Posted by pseelk

No one is making him stay the course,His decision.Do you think Mulcair would do the same?Not likely.Harper is an economist,He"s already proven he knows what he"s doing even if you wont admit it.

Do I sound like a mulcair supporter? Wow. I think I pretty much said no to him.

I don't like Harper, I don't trust harper, and I never will trust him, same as any other politician. But right now, He is the best choice.

I like your island Idea blackheart. I think it's time that the ROC stood up against Ottawa, Toronto, and Quebec. You may find you have some things in common with the ROC and not just albertans.