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Coal mining in Livingstone range and southwestern Alberta
Hi I’m 16 and started fly fishing when I was 11 on the Livingstone and upper Oldman rivers and tributaries. I have gained a passion for fly fishing as well as conservation measures. The Alberta government has made changes to coal mining legislation and areas of the Livingstone range are at risk for the implementation of coal mines in the area. I have started a petition to send to my MLA and MP against this and I could use some support! Here’s the link, it takes less than 5 minutes: http://chng.it/z2KF6cRR
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07-10-2020, 09:05 PM
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More information through the link as well
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07-12-2020, 10:01 PM
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sorry no support from me...the area needs the economic boost
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07-12-2020, 11:25 PM
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sorry no support from me...the area needs the economic boost
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Yes sir, I agree fully.
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07-13-2020, 07:40 AM
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Signed, some things are more valualbe than profits.
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07-13-2020, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lornce
Signed, some things are more valualbe than profits.
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Of course, coming from someone who doesn’t live around here 
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07-13-2020, 09:19 AM
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sorry no support from me...the area needs the economic boost
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Wow, one of those guys hey
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07-13-2020, 09:29 AM
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I dunno
The Australians already had a problem with stuff from their operation in Gold Creek.
Then ‘an otter’ decimated the nice cutties in there........
All that for jobs...... we need to look more carefully maybe.
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07-13-2020, 04:04 PM
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I love flyfishing and that area. There is always a fine line between jobs and protecting the backcountry. I wish there was a compromise between them.
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07-13-2020, 08:30 PM
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Wow, one of those guys hey
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yes..you guessed it...I am indeed a fly fisherman .
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07-13-2020, 10:45 PM
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Thinking about all the Selenium released into the Elk because of the mines. There will be effects beyond the drop in fish populations in the long run
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07-14-2020, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kbobbeck
sorry no support from me...the area needs the economic boost
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Can we not find something that doesn’t cause so much damage? If you look at other places like the Elk valley this particular type of mine makes a hell of a mess. Do you want to see the Oldman end up like Fording? An awful lot of people downstream rely on the Oldman reservoir.
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07-12-2020, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cartermoser
Hi I’m 16 and started fly fishing when I was 11 on the Livingstone and upper Oldman rivers and tributaries. I have gained a passion for fly fishing as well as conservation measures. The Alberta government has made changes to coal mining legislation and areas of the Livingstone range are at risk for the implementation of coal mines in the area. I have started a petition to send to my MLA and MP against this and I could use some support! Here’s the link, it takes less than 5 minutes: http://chng.it/z2KF6cRR |
It is easy to be against things. Sounds like you really like kool aid too.
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07-14-2020, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cartermoser
Hi I’m 16 and started fly fishing when I was 11 on the Livingstone and upper Oldman rivers and tributaries. I have gained a passion for fly fishing as well as conservation measures. The Alberta government has made changes to coal mining legislation and areas of the Livingstone range are at risk for the implementation of coal mines in the area. I have started a petition to send to my MLA and MP against this and I could use some support! Here’s the link, it takes less than 5 minutes: http://chng.it/z2KF6cRR |
Signed.
Good on ya kid. Nice to see a little activism, and its a bit brave to post it here as well. Well done.
Yer doing more than many people on this board who just leech information.
And just ignore the UCP-sheeple-shill-haters who love 19th century fossil fuel tech and would sacrifice the environment for the almighty buck. There are much better ways to create jobs and "fuel" our economy. Don't buy for a single second into the false narrative / false dichotomy "we need it for the economy" diatribes.  
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07-15-2020, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by smitty9
Signed.
Good on ya kid. Nice to see a little activism, and its a bit brave to post it here as well. Well done.
Yer doing more than many people on this board who just leech information.
And just ignore the UCP-sheeple-shill-haters who love 19th century fossil fuel tech and would sacrifice the environment for the almighty buck. There are much better ways to create jobs and "fuel" our economy. Don't buy for a single second into the false narrative / false dichotomy "we need it for the economy" diatribes. |
Hilarious, I bet you're a little gluttonous piggy like the rest of us enjoying the benefits of evil fossil fuels. Hypocrites are the worst kind of people.
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07-15-2020, 09:22 AM
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No....
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Hilarious, I bet you're a little gluttonous piggy like the rest of us enjoying the benefits of evil fossil fuels. Hypocrites are the worst kind of people.
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People who use this tired worn out and useless moral argument to shut down a protest (which is designed to stimulate issue awareness) IS really the worst. I bet you get ALL your argument ideas from YouTube eh..... I’d call you lazy and simplistic.... but that’s be rude...
We all know that coal burning isn’t a great idea because it pollutes bad.
We all want jobs.... yep..... but no one wants to innovate or invent.... too hard. None of these mine jobs are long term.
I love how the land right next to Blairemore by the highway is essentially useless due to mining..... real waste. Then there’s that big ugly patch by Bushtown.... oh wait! That’s supposed to have been cleaned up by now....... yea....
Then there’s that slagg mess up the Adenac.... and the stuff up all over in behind Bellevue.... and the various mine sinkholes around Talon Peak..... And so on..
Tunnel cave ins are happening around Hillcrest and Bellevue...... nice eh?
Gold Creek fishery took a beating due to Riverdales negligence while just poking around the grassy mountain site..... that’s annoying if you were a fisherman.... no one ever tested the water quality of that spill... but if it killed fish well..... (oh right... it was an otter..)
If you’ve been to where they actually use the coal that we produce...... then think just a tinsey bit about how air travels..... and how small our world is..... you might not be so hung ho about these mines.
But that’s a lot to consider and it’s not simple n straightforward.
Young fellow stepping up and wanting to do something about what he sees as important....... good on him.
I’m think we should find a way better way to mine and use coal... and the LAST thing we should do is make it even easier for companies to not mitigate the super obvious problems coal mining has come to the area.
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07-15-2020, 11:49 AM
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The ban on open pit coal mining has been lifted for Rockies and foothils in the province. This project near Blairmore has been in the works for several years.
The lift of the ban is a bad sign. Especially when you consider this. The former Environment Minister for the PCs, is now the head of the Coal Association of Canada. That to me is just hilarious. You go from a job that is suppose to be about protecting the environment to heading up a group that has some of the worst impact imaginable.
If you think Campbell had nothing to do with the ban being lifted you would be wrong. And you would be doubly wrong to think that the ban means nothing as the govt is stating. They say it's an old and redundant bit of legislation.
Telling you right now that the ban was lifted because there are proposed projects that will be coming to light in the very near future that will affect anyone who enjoys the east slopes.
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07-15-2020, 12:41 PM
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Crazy_davey I would love to hear what Tech is doing to decrease Selenium.
I have heard the levels are 25X above what they are supposed to be. The effects on muscle physiology and breeding in fish is already well documented.
The crash in fish populations in Line Creek and and the Fording is also being documented. The continually moving of the stream bed on Line Creek is also a joke.
Please enlightened me.
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07-15-2020, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
People who use this tired worn out and useless moral argument to shut down a protest (which is designed to stimulate issue awareness) IS really the worst. I bet you get ALL your argument ideas from YouTube eh..... I’d call you lazy and simplistic.... but that’s be rude...
We all know that coal burning isn’t a great idea because it pollutes bad.
We all want jobs.... yep..... but no one wants to innovate or invent.... too hard. None of these mine jobs are long term.
I love how the land right next to Blairemore by the highway is essentially useless due to mining..... real waste. Then there’s that big ugly patch by Bushtown.... oh wait! That’s supposed to have been cleaned up by now....... yea....
Then there’s that slagg mess up the Adenac.... and the stuff up all over in behind Bellevue.... and the various mine sinkholes around Talon Peak..... And so on..
Tunnel cave ins are happening around Hillcrest and Bellevue...... nice eh?
Gold Creek fishery took a beating due to Riverdales negligence while just poking around the grassy mountain site..... that’s annoying if you were a fisherman.... no one ever tested the water quality of that spill... but if it killed fish well..... (oh right... it was an otter..)
If you’ve been to where they actually use the coal that we produce...... then think just a tinsey bit about how air travels..... and how small our world is..... you might not be so hung ho about these mines.
But that’s a lot to consider and it’s not simple n straightforward.
Young fellow stepping up and wanting to do something about what he sees as important....... good on him.
I’m think we should find a way better way to mine and use coal... and the LAST thing we should do is make it even easier for companies to not mitigate the super obvious problems coal mining has come to the area.
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Good post-well said!
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07-15-2020, 01:04 PM
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Counter point.....
Sparwood and Elkford mines have provided much much needed wildlife refuges for bighorns and elk.
The boys see some nice antler and horn up there.
I also hunt Tent Mountain.... good elk grazing in some parts where the mine used to be.
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07-17-2020, 12:24 AM
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Good post-well said!
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07-17-2020, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by smitty9
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Good on ya kid. Nice to see a little activism, and its a bit brave to post it here as well. Well done.
Yer doing more than many people on this board who just leech information.
And just ignore the UCP-sheeple-shill-haters who love 19th century fossil fuel tech and would sacrifice the environment for the almighty buck. There are much better ways to create jobs and "fuel" our economy. Don't buy for a single second into the false narrative / false dichotomy "we need it for the economy" diatribes. |
Good post. You're right, it is brave to post such a thing here; how absurd it is that the desire to protect our natural environment from raping and pillaging in the name of foreign profit would be an unpopular idea on an OUTDOORSMEN FORUM! Unbelievable. It's been said many times on here, but I'll say it again in a different context: We truly are our own worst enemies.
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07-18-2020, 01:26 PM
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Good post. You're right, it is brave to post such a thing here; how absurd it is that the desire to protect our natural environment from raping and pillaging in the name of foreign profit would be an unpopular idea on an OUTDOORSMEN FORUM! Unbelievable. It's been said many times on here, but I'll say it again in a different context: We truly are our own worst enemies.
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Just because the site's name says "Outdoorsmen" just implies a love of the outdoors. However, that's not what most here have. Most simply love to consume what is out there. Eat the fish and enjoy the fresh air, then drive back home. When that area gets destroyed they complain about it, and move onto another area. True love it isn't.
Albertans loudly voted in favor of their ability to destroy what's left of the foothills in southern Alberta. I feel for the original poster, but after years of trying to protect the eastern slopes we lost. Hope you all can feel safe about your drinking water, because there are now coal mines planned in every water shed that you city people drink from. And that includes most of your bottled water from the store.
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07-17-2020, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cartermoser
Hi I’m 16 and started fly fishing when I was 11 on the Livingstone and upper Oldman rivers and tributaries. I have gained a passion for fly fishing as well as conservation measures. The Alberta government has made changes to coal mining legislation and areas of the Livingstone range are at risk for the implementation of coal mines in the area. I have started a petition to send to my MLA and MP against this and I could use some support! Here’s the link, it takes less than 5 minutes: http://chng.it/z2KF6cRR |
Signed.
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07-20-2020, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cartermoser
Hi I’m 16 and started fly fishing when I was 11 on the Livingstone and upper Oldman rivers and tributaries. I have gained a passion for fly fishing as well as conservation measures. The Alberta government has made changes to coal mining legislation and areas of the Livingstone range are at risk for the implementation of coal mines in the area. I have started a petition to send to my MLA and MP against this and I could use some support! Here’s the link, it takes less than 5 minutes: http://chng.it/z2KF6cRR |
Hey Carter Moser, I love fishing too. Great work!
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