Muzzle Brake or not?

[robfraser]

I would guess if a stock cracks on a lead sled there was too much weight added to the sled.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by robfraser

Boddington is editor at Guns and Ammo Magazine. He has written over 4000 published magazine articles.
Author of 25 books on hunting and shooting.
He has hunted extensively all over the world.
Served as a Colonel in the Marines in the Gulf War.
But what does he know?

What you say about Boddingtons' creds are right on. I have great respect for the man, especially since he will not take money form any sponsor, lodge etc. He has done it all on his own dime. Despite that, it does not mean he is infallible. The guys that are telling you don't do it, we have all seen the damage up close and personal. But what the hell do a bunch of AO crackers know. Take Boddington's recommendation since that carries moe weight, makes me wonder why you bothered asking us in the first place. LeEt us know how it works out for you.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by robfraser

I would guess if a stock cracks on a lead sled there was too much weight added to the sled.

In the situations that I refer to, the people were using 50lbs of weight, well within the 100lbs recommended by Caldwell for some of their lead sleds. But what does Caldwell know, they just sell the Lead Sled.

[robfraser]

Originally Posted by Dean2

What you say about Boddingtons' creds are right on. I have great respect for the man, especially since he will not take money form any sponsor, lodge etc. He has done it all on his own dime. Despite that, it does not mean he is infallible. The guys that are telling you don't do it, we have all seen the damage up close and personal. But what the hell do a bunch of AO crackers know. Take Boddington's recommendation since that carries moe weight, makes me wonder why you bothered asking us in the first place. LeEt us know how it works out for you.

Don’t be bitter!
What are your credentials?
I don’t need a muzzle brake or Lead Sled for my 300 WSM.
Was just passing on what Boddington says.

[catnthehat]

There are a few things that I do not own or use, one is a muzzle brake and the other is a lead sled .
Stock Breakeage aside ( and I have seen a few damaged from shooting with a lead sled) the lead sled is the more tediculoys piece of equipment to try and get good form with , simply because it is impossible to shoot it using good form.
Cat

[270person]

Originally Posted by robfraser

Boddington is editor at Guns and Ammo Magazine. He has written over 4000 published magazine articles.
Author of 25 books on hunting and shooting.
He has hunted extensively all over the world.
Served as a Colonel in the Marines in the Gulf War.
But what does he know?

Doesnt know everything about rifle rests apparently.

Fyi when your rifle sits in a lead sled the butt of the stock is sitting in a metal sleeve meaning you aren't holding the butt of the rifle against your shoulder. Just a metal sleeve stock holder. So, no feel for the butt and butt pad and no way to pull the rifle into your body. Not only uncomfortable but no way to get the gun into a normal shooting position.

If you weight a lead sled you run the risk of cracking your stock. If you don't weight it you're wrestling a 3 ft long steel frame contraption back into position after every shot.

Boddington is 100% incorrect but maybe he has a buddy working for Caldwell or some money in the company.

The lead sled is to shooting, what the below is to golf.

[robfraser]

Chuck Hawks and his staff at Guns and Shooting use Lead Sleds
for reviewing rifles as well as using for their personal rifles.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by robfraser

Chuck Hawks and his staff at Guns and Shooting use Lead Sleds
for reviewing rifles as well as using for their personal rifles.

Chuck Hawks

[270person]

Originally Posted by robfraser

Chuck Hawks and his staff at Guns and Shooting use Lead Sleds
for reviewing rifles as well as using for their personal rifles.

I have it on good authority that Jack O'Connor, Elmer Keith, and Colonel Townsend Whelen never used leadsleds.

You seem pretty revved up on leadsleds tho so to appease your hunger I have one I bought years ago that I'll sell you for $25. Don't try lowballing me either. I know what I got.

[robfraser]

Originally Posted by 270person

I have it on good authority that Jack O'Connor, Elmer Keith, and Colonel Townsend Whelen never used leadsleds.

You seem pretty revved up on leadsleds tho so to appease your hunger I have one I bought years ago that I'll sell you for $25. Don't try lowballing me either. I know what I got.

Thanks very much for your kind offer but I don’t need a muzzle break or lead sled for my 300WSM.
Best Regards
Rob

[sir_charlie]

Originally Posted by 270person

Doesnt know everything about rifle rests apparently.

Fyi when your rifle sits in a lead sled the butt of the stock is sitting in a metal sleeve meaning you aren't holding the butt of the rifle against your shoulder. Just a metal sleeve stock holder. So, no feel for the butt and butt pad and no way to pull the rifle into your body. Not only uncomfortable but no way to get the gun into a normal shooting position.

If you weight a lead sled you run the risk of cracking your stock. If you don't weight it you're wrestling a 3 ft long steel frame contraption back into position after every shot.

Boddington is 100% incorrect but maybe he has a buddy working for Caldwell or some money in the company.

The lead sled is to shooting, what the below is to golf.

Why is almost every topic on this forum turns sarcastic and/or personal? It was such a great conversation before the sled showed up!

Appreciate all the perspective on brakes. Not sure what I’ll do but lots of good points for me to consider.

The photo above in quoted post though was enough to convince me not to get a lead sled


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[Bearbreath]

I recently had a muzzle break installed on my 3006 tikka superlite just out of curiosity. The superlight model is light gun and has significant muzzle jump off the bench if not applying pressure to the forestock. With the break reducing recoil, the muzzle jump has been lessened greatly. My point of impact changed a bit. I'm told it's louder but I haven't shot it without ear protection. Only have a dozen rounds on the break and am looking forward to some targeting in the next few weeks.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by sir_charlie

Why is almost every topic on this forum turns sarcastic and/or personal? It was such a great conversation before the sled showed up!

Appreciate all the perspective on brakes. Not sure what I’ll do but lots of good points for me to consider.

The photo above in quoted post though was enough to convince me not to get a lead sled


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It happens because there are no shortage of dickwads that derail great posts, then troll the crap out of their posts trying to get people to rise to their baiting. I get REALLY tired of people that ask for help only to then totally disrespect the input they get. I have so far resisted their trolling but it is REALLY hard not to tell them to GFY, which loosely translated means, good for you, wink, wink.

[Vantage Point]

an interesting video on a builder talking brakes etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZzcunc6a8M

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Chuck Hawks

Chuckhawks , the absolute best at repeating other people's opinions, for profit.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Vantage Point

an interesting video on a builder talking brakes etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZzcunc6a8M

Big caliber guns=brakes
Medium caliber, light weight gun, shooting heavy bullets = brakes

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by robfraser

Don’t be bitter!
What are your credentials?
I don’t need a muzzle brake or Lead Sled for my 300 WSM.
Was just passing on what Boddington says.

When I hunted with the boddington’s. Neither of them had a lead sled
They probably got paid to promote them or are partnered with the Caldwell group

He was just using the new Gunwerks on a trip to Africa and I’m positive he wasn’t using a lead sled sighting that rifle in either. But I’ll guarantee you he had a brake on the rifle. They do a lot of testing for a lot of products. I remember he had the first sig sauer optics of any sort that I had ever heard of. Great guy! Knows a ton about everything hunting or shooting related. They used my stone sheep pics and hunt to promote their cbeo.

I always get a kick out of the guys that say, I can’t shoot paper. Give me an animal and it’s dead. shooting targets is for bums… well all those guys have terrible flinches… that’s why they can’t shoot paper. It’s easy to hit a deer or elk 200 yards away if your gun is semi zero’d. If you can’t shoot 3-5 rounds decent on paper you need to change something.

There’s 4 main things that will reduce the recoil from your rifle
1 lighter weight bullets
2 less muzzle velocity
3 more mass
4 muzzle brake

I like shooting heavier for caliber bullets, of adequate construction, around 3000 fps (learned this from boddington)
I prefer a 8-10 lb rifle.
And I like using brakes because you keep the performance with only adding noise

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Chuckhawks , the absolute best at repeating other people's opinions, for profit.

Ya I wouldnt listen to that guys advice ever

[Dubious]

I put a break on my 22lr. It’s like I’m shootings nothing at all, nothing at all…

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Dubious

I put a break on my 22lr. It’s like I’m shootings nothing at all, nothing at all…

Pretty tough on the hood paint while in the gopher patch.
I've seen the muzzle blast knock over a full can of beer and roll right off of said hood. That was shooting yellow jackets though. Just a friendly cautionary warning

[DLab]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Pretty tough on the hood paint while in the gopher patch.
I've seen the muzzle blast knock over a full can of beer and roll right off of said hood. That was shooting yellow jackets though. Just a friendly cautionary warning

Yeah, probably Light beer though, right?
I just had my first muzzle brake installed on a 284 Win. shooting 180's, my shoulder and neck aren't particularly fond of recoil these days, makes it comfortable and definitely more enjoyable to shoot.
Hunting with this rifle likely isn't going to happen, but either way ear pro is a must.

[kayaker]

No shame in preferring lower recoil. I got rid of my .300H&H because it didn't kill anything deader than my .308's and wasn't as pleasant to shoot.

Some brakes are not as loud, but the tradeoff is that the most effective recoil reducers are also typically the loudest. When you diffuse the gas at the muzzle, or redirect gas sideways and/or rearwards its going to be louder.

A useful test of different brakes, exploring the recoil-noise relationship. Their correlation between effectiveness and noise is pretty clear:

https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/...es-sound-test/

[Athabasca1]

^^^kayaker; Great read, thanks for posting^^^

[marky_mark]

Mdt did some testing too on how much difference the number of ports make

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Chuck Hawks

Laughing. You can always tell when someone shoots from their couch.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by DLab

Yeah, probably Light beer though, right?
.

God no. There isn't a creedmoor in my safe

[Pathfinder76]

While I abhor the lead sled, the concept isn’t without merit.

These aren’t my photos. The builder of these rifles spends a lot of time at the range with them. He tends to build quite a few hard kickers. These are two methods he has built and uses from the bench. He isn’t afraid to put a $25,000 rifle in them.

[-JR-]

I shoot a 338 mag at one time it had a magna ports cut into the barrel
Only noticed the difference when bench shooting round after round .
Never notice any kick when shooting at game. Lol

Years later I had to replace the barrel and did not get it magna ported .
Instead I built a gun rest that took away 100 % of the recoil .

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

While I abhor the lead sled, the concept isn’t without merit.

These aren’t my photos. The builder of these rifles spends a lot of time at the range with them. He tends to build quite a few hard kickers. These are two methods he has built and uses from the bench. He isn’t afraid to put a $25,000 rifle in them.

Those two "sleds" improve on the fundamental issue with why the lead sled breaks stocks and scopes. I like them..

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Those two "sleds" improve on the fundamental issue with why the lead sled breaks stocks and scopes. I like them..

Fancy ear muffs too