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01-03-2020, 05:02 PM
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Shipping a firearm with no trigger lock?
So I just received a firearm (restricted) from Canada post. I have never ordered or bought a firearm before this that needed to be shipped. It arrived today with no trigger lock on it. Is that normal, or did the seller possibly make a mistake? I’m just curious if that is legal?
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01-03-2020, 05:20 PM
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01-03-2020, 05:26 PM
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Should have had a trigger lock
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01-03-2020, 05:50 PM
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I have received more than a hundred firearms via Canada Post, from dealers and private citizens , not one had a trigger lock installed.
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01-03-2020, 06:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus
Should have had a trigger lock
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Why? It was in transport not storage.
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01-03-2020, 06:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus
Should have had a trigger lock
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Legally not needed
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01-03-2020, 06:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by catnthehat
Legally not needed
Cat
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I respectfully disagree.
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01-03-2020, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fps plus
I respectfully disagree.
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Can you provide where it says you need a trigger lock during shipping?
Every firearm I have seen received or have received myself through mail from both private and retail sales has not had a trigger lock. This is also the first time I have ever heard of a trigger lock being needed in shipping
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01-03-2020, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fps plus
I respectfully disagree.
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I respect Cats knowledge of the legal requirements.
I do not respect your factless opinion.
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01-03-2020, 07:39 PM
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A trigger lock is not necessary however when shipping by plane it needs to be in a locked case.
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01-03-2020, 07:47 PM
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On the Canada Post site they demand a trigger lock and a locked case, but I have yet to ever receive a firearm in a locked case or with a trigger lock, and that includes restricted firearms.
https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/m...Gnonmail-e.asp
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Customers who wish to ship firearms must:
unload the firearms - there cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package (bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods)
attach a secure locking device to the firearms
lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
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But here is the actual legislation
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html
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16 An individual may ship a firearm by posting it only if
(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.
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https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html
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15 A business may ship a firearm by posting it only if
(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.
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The actual legislation does not mention trigger locks or locked containers.
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Last edited by elkhunter11; 01-03-2020 at 08:16 PM.
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01-03-2020, 07:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11
On the Canada Post site they demand a trigger lock and a locked case, but I have yet to ever receive a firearm in a locked case or with a trigger lock, and that includes restricted firearms. I asked a business about this, and they told me that this isn't a requirement for businesses.
https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/m...Gnonmail-e.asp
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And it is also none of Canada Post's dammed business either as long as the firearm is shipped legally because it could be golf clubs inn the danged box!
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01-03-2020, 07:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11
On the Canada Post site they demand a trigger lock and a locked case, but I have yet to ever receive a firearm in a locked case or with a trigger lock, and that includes restricted firearms. I asked a business about this, and they told me that this isn't a requirement for businesses.
https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/m...Gnonmail-e.asp
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That would be an admission that they do not trust their own employees.
This would also be a CP "requirement" but not a legal requirement.
I don't believe that they have the authority to open the box to check the case for locks or to open the case.
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01-03-2020, 07:54 PM
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Last edited by Nyksta; 01-03-2020 at 08:03 PM.
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01-03-2020, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyksta
The RCMP firearms website
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearm...-and-exporting
Shipping a firearm to Canada
A licensed carrier company under the Firearms Act must handle firearms that are shipped to someone in Canada.
The licensed carrier must ship firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container. The container should be hard to break into and should not break open accidentally during transport.
The outside of the container should not have any marking to say that there are firearms inside, unless the marking is an address.
The CFP recommends you label an envelope "Customs Documents" and attach it firmly to the outside of the container. You can put any waybills, import permits, or export permits into the envelope.
You must declare all firearms at Canada Customs and pay applicable duties and taxes.
More information is available on the Canada Border Services Agency website.
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That is for importing a firearm into Canada not for shipping firearms within Canada.
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01-03-2020, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
That is for importing a firearm into Canada not for shipping firearms within Canada.
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I see that now, i know a few months ago i found the part if the website that listed requirements for postage inside Canada
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01-03-2020, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyksta
I see that now, i know a few months ago i found the part if the website that listed requirements for postage inside Canada
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I have added the legislation concerning shipping by post in my original post.
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01-03-2020, 08:43 PM
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I always use a couple of zip ties. That is what the cops use - good enough for them it is good enough for me.
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01-03-2020, 09:06 PM
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Thanks for the answer fellas. With all the rules that are imposed on me I find it surprising an “unsecured” restricted firearm went through how many different hands. I’m not complaining; just surprised.
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01-03-2020, 09:21 PM
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I am not sure of the legalities but have also received numerous restricted and non-restricted firearms through CP from both private and commercial sellers. Besides, if it was to ship with a lock it would also have the key with it and then what is the point?
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01-03-2020, 09:21 PM
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Called out about trigger locks a couple weeks back as I was told I need them, as I said shipped with zip ties or string is good enough for me, if no ammo included with said gun what does it matter, if Canada Post opens said package which is not allowed it just a piece of PIPE with a piece of wood etc on it, it could be a club for all anybody know's, Just my thought's, shipped lots with no locks including Resticted, piece of metal in a box.
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01-03-2020, 09:21 PM
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Just because it’s not being followed doesn’t mean it is legal .
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01-03-2020, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus
Just because it’s not being followed doesn’t mean it is legal .
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Legal requirement as per legislation is the baseline, not your or anyone elses' opinions.
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01-03-2020, 09:38 PM
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[QUOTE=Nyksta;4085559]Legal requirement as per legislation is the baseline, not your or anyone elses' opinions.[/QUOTE
When you find the legal shipping requirement by Canadian laws please post to clear up any confusion Thx
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01-03-2020, 09:49 PM
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[QUOTE=fps plus;4085563]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyksta
Legal requirement as per legislation is the baseline, not your or anyone elses' opinions.[/QUOTE
When you find the legal shipping requirement by Canadian laws please post to clear up any confusion Thx
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Doesn't work that way.
If you are disputing what the majority is telling you is true, then the onus is on you to set us straight.
If i am interpreting the law incorrectly, I will admit to my mistake.
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01-03-2020, 09:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus
When you find the legal shipping requirement by Canadian laws please post to clear up any confusion Thx
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Posted by elkhunter a few posts above. Not sure what the confusion is:
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01-03-2020, 09:53 PM
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[QUOTE=fps plus;4085563]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyksta
Legal requirement as per legislation is the baseline, not your or anyone elses' opinions.[/QUOTE
When you find the legal shipping requirement by Canadian laws please post to clear up any confusion Thx
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the legislation was already posted, not sure why there is any confusion to clear up.
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01-04-2020, 03:41 AM
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So, to confuse the situation a bit more...
When does the shipping end, and transportation begin? This is where things are very grey when you have a post office box. You pick up a package at the PO, go grocery shopping because your in town, and someone breaks into your truck and steals the package. So now you have to report youve lost a Restricted firearm without a trigger lock or locked case. Maybe the wife picked it up and didnt know? Ive not had to sign for many firearms, maybe 10 of 150?
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01-04-2020, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl
So, to confuse the situation a bit more...
When does the shipping end, and transportation begin? This is where things are very grey when you have a post office box. You pick up a package at the PO, go grocery shopping because your in town, and someone breaks into your truck and steals the package. So now you have to report youve lost a Restricted firearm without a trigger lock or locked case. Maybe the wife picked it up and didnt know? Ive not had to sign for many firearms, maybe 10 of 150?
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I did have to sign for most of my parcels containing firearms, but Canada Post has left firearms sitting on my doorstep, that were shipped signature required. If that firearm went missing, Canada Post would be liable, not me. The shipper has the receipt showing that the firearm was shipped legally, so it would be up to Canada Post to prove that I signed for the parcel and received it. As to the wife having picked up the parcel, unless it was her name on the parcel , the post office should not have given her the parcel .
Now if the parcel was left on the doorstep, and someone stole it, with our legal system I doubt that the thief could be convicted of illegally acquiring a firearm, because until it is legally delivered, it is just a parcel, which is why Canada Post employees can be in possession without a PAL.
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01-04-2020, 08:54 AM
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CPs policy is silent on what to do with the key to the lock, so I guess it can be in the same package.
Idiots.
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