Know your rights!!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

I agree, the culture of silence and secrecy within the RCMP needs to change, it has to start at the top. Whistle blower/troublemakers within the force at any level face extreme prejudice if they attempt insubordinate action against higher ranking officials.

If our government was interested in justice, they could have charged each of the officers that illegally removed firearms from a home. The officers could have been given the option of disclosing who gave them the orders, in exchange for the charges against them being dropped. But our government really wasn't interested in justice. They just held an imquiry to make it look like they were doing something.

[CanadianEh]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I find it laughable that some people are so incredibly dense that they think being obnoxious or displaying attitude to the police is going to be productive in any way, shape or form. Suggesting carrying a 'No ID' card is such an instance of being a 'problem customer'. I enjoy watching YouTube videos of these same personality types where they open their drivers window a mere 3/4" to talk
to an LE officer while being defiant and acting like petulant children; the resulting broken car window, knees in their back and cuffs on their wrists bring me great joy.

Much like spreading any type of hate, this is what happens when brainwashed idiots choose to escalate things. It parallels the behaviour of the Anitfa weenies in a number of ways, 'bravery' where none is warranted, attitude when a simple smile and common courtesy would improve everyone's day. The current trend of people hating the police and busting out their smartphones to record the officers actions as though they're being some kind of citizen hero/ documentary film-maker is escalating things to a become a problem where none would exist before. You get what you give: be nice, receive nice. Heck, I've seen police being nice to people who don't deserve it, a technique to de-escalate situations (I've never seen a cop-hater de-escalate anything). The OP strikes me as someone who will compulsively escalate an interaction simply due to their pre-existing bias against LE. People need to keep in mind that LE are dealing with a lot of people who lie to them daily (or much worse), it's helpful to not create friction where none was in the first place. These people must be utterly daft to think that if everyone defies the police then things will somehow improve, it's utterly illogical.

Combine this attitude and drug use and it's the reason why police have been forced into shooting more people annually than used to be the case. I tend to applaud those instances because that's one less recidivist / junkie in society. Those recidivists cost taxpayers a staggering amount of money, some junkies have more ambulance responses than could be counted even with taking off your socks and that's not to mention how many B&E's, robberies and thefts they'll have committed to fund their drug habit. If the average citizen had a better idea of the human trash that LE and other first-responders deal with daily they might start to understand that the jobs can be very stressful and frustrating. Every single member of this board is aware of the catch and release legal system, our courts are clearly failing us. This frustrates the police & EMT's who have to deal with the same junkies & offenders over and over. Imagine that happening at your job, where you accomplish something good and then someone above you kicks your good work down daily. If that trend continues we're going to have fewer people wanting to even become LE & EMT's then we'll wind up with worse LE and EMT's.

Careful of the prejudice you spread, it might come back and bite you rather ironically/ karmically.

Of course there is the odd bad apple or a normally good cop who had a bad day as a result of the constant stress of dealing with degenerates or where a degenerate managed to provoke them, there are mechanisms for dealing with both sorts.

#HearHear Well said Tosser

[warriorboy10]

The responses are quite serious how individuals think others should or should not act when an issue arises when dealing with over zealous authority. I know how I respond in certain situations, and never an issue! Cooperation is always the best way but knowing your rights is necessary!!
Having difficulty with why others would think that knowing your rights is going to cause you difficulty!! Most likely people cause their own problems, seen that happen many times..
If you have a half a brain knowing your rights is in our Charter.. Like it or not, do with it as you please!! WOW...
Seems as though so many would rather not think for themselves and have others think for them!! That’s a whole other issue!!
And your absolutely correct I was definitely sitting back in aww, laughing!! Quite sad actually!!

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by warriorboy10

The responses are quite serious how individuals think others should or should not act when an issue arises when dealing with over zealous authority. I know how I respond in certain situations, and never an issue! Cooperation is always the best way but knowing your rights is necessary!!
Having difficulty with why others would think that knowing your rights is going to cause you difficulty!! Most likely people cause their own problems, seen that happen many times..
If you have a half a brain knowing your rights is in our Charter.. Like it or not, do with it as you please!! WOW...
Seems as though so many would rather not think for themselves and have others think for them!! That’s a whole other issue!!
And your absolutely correct I was definitely sitting back in aww, laughing!! Quite sad actually!!

I'm sad that you think that this makes you a thinker.

People overly concerned with their rights are often blind to their responsibilities. Your individual rights are only protected when everyone as a whole takes a responsibility for their community. How concerned are you about that?

The site you just sponsored and endorsed on this site has a troubling pedigree. I'd hope for more from someone claiming they are a thinker. Most Freeman would think of themselves as enlightened too.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by expedition

I ve had more than one bad encounterbwith rcmp. But what bothers me most is border crossings . To many intrucive questions about my job . Non of their business !

Its actually exactly their business....lol

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by NinjaHunter

If I'm required to identify myself, I just show my ID and say "I don't answer questions".

I realize a long time ago from other people's experiences, that explaining yourself out of the situation doesn't help. Let a lawyer talk to the police. Not you.

Genius.
Give someone already frustrated a reason to hold you, aka 'cause'.
You are happy to pay a Lawyer everytime you are asked a question by someone with a badge?

[Ken07AOVette]

I just remembered about the only time I ever had a problem with the RCMP or a LEO.
Last winter I was sick as a dog, in the house for a few days. I got a call from the Edmonton Police, saying I had be seen in a hit and run the night before, and had to go to Edmonton for a statement. 6 hour roundtrip. Um no.
I told the Officer he had the wrong guy, but he confirmed my identity, then said 'your truck was spotted and we were given your plate. Was someone else driving your truck?'
I then nearly shat myself, and went out to the garage thinking my truck had been stolen. I told the Officer I was taking a look, and there it was, right where I left it. I asked where the supposed damage was, he said right front corner. My truck was of course unharmed, it was not it.
I asked how they got my plate, when my plate was on my truck in my garage?
He was a little snotty, Sir, Sir, that kind of thing, then said 'we got a partial plate, running what we had yours came up'.
I didn't tell him to go forth and multiply in so many words, just said he was being fairly ignorant with an innocent person going on very little information. They apparently tried this trick on everyone with matching paint and plate. There are a lot of similar colored F150's in Alberta, imagine that!
I asked him to look up my driving/criminal record (both 100% clear) and tell me if I fit the profile of a dirtbag that would hit and run. "no Sir."
He apologized, said he had cleared my name and hung up.

2 hours later I got the same thing from another shining detective.

I could have lost my shat on him, or like another member said 'you will have to talk to my lawyer'. LOL. Let me know what cuffs feel like on a 3 hour trip jammed in the back of a tight uncomfortable Police car because you don't respect authority enough to clear yourself.

[JWCalgary]

Originally Posted by warriorboy10

Centre for police accountability.

http://www.c4pa.ca/

Carry and use the NO ID card when required.

I really don't see a reason why you wouldn't provide your ID. Is there a reason for refusing other than just being petulant?

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[ak77]

Just out of curiosity, what's everyone stance on carding? It was hot topic last year... And EPS commissioner said he sees no problem with that practice...

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by ak77

Just out of curiosity, what's everyone stance on carding? It was hot topic last year... And EPS commissioner said he sees no problem with that practice...

The murder rate in Toronto has spiked since they stopped carding. I don't personally have much of an issue with it because I don't look suspicious and I am not hanging around high-crime areas. Curiously, the people who dress and act suspiciously while hanging out in high-crime areas seem to take offense to the practice, go figure

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, clothed like a duck and in an area full of other ducks doing duck activities and they get offended when they're treated like 'ducks'.

[expedition]

Originally Posted by Rackmastr

Its actually exactly their business....lol

Explain. Thanks

[expedition]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Hmmmm it is thier business from a nations security perspective which is way more important than your agenda, feelings, etc so make thier job easy and cooperate then move on down the line real easy....had a fella at the airport pull me out of the line, asked questions, I answered, got a second look when I asked what he was swabbing for as I told him I was handling a weapon earlier this morning and thier might be residual powder etc show up....smiled and told him appreciate you folks doing your job and attempting to keep the crazies at bay.
Open, honest and just moved on through security....but if you got attitude then the flags start going up

I dont see why my employment history is valid. Explain thanks

[warriorboy10]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I'm sad that you think that this makes you a thinker.

People overly concerned with their rights are often blind to their responsibilities. Your individual rights are only protected when everyone as a whole takes a responsibility for their community. How concerned are you about that?

The site you just sponsored and endorsed on this site has a troubling pedigree. I'd hope for more from someone claiming they are a thinker. Most Freeman would think of themselves as enlightened too.

Man, you really don’t have a clue and your reply is completely indicative of that!!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by expedition

I dont see why my employment history is valid. Explain thanks

Just engaging in conversation, getting a read on you is all, me I'm nervous so I get picked out of lines or is it that I hate waiting either way my features or body language are indicators so off I go....all good though....better safe than sorry I say....usually we both end up having a chuckle or two.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by expedition

Explain. Thanks

You really don't know?
It's their job to ensure you aren't intending on 'visiting' their country (works both ways at the Canadian/US border) and once there staying there illegally.
One indicator is showing you are employed and working in your country of origin.
Really...you didn't know that??

[expedition]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

You really don't know?
It's their job to ensure you aren't intending on 'visiting' their country (works both ways at the Canadian/US border) and once there staying there illegally.
One indicator is showing you are employed and working in your country of origin.
Really...you didn't know that??

Very incoherent . Thanks
1 i was entering canada
2 it was canadian border services
3 i am not visiting canada i live here.
4 this i have previously stated.

Please try again

Please read post 25 this thread

[expedition]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Just engaging in conversation, getting a read on you is all, me I'm nervous so I get picked out of lines or is it that I hate waiting either way my features or body language are indicators so off I go....all good though....better safe than sorry I say....usually we both end up having a chuckle or two.

I think you are correct simple criminals will get nervous but so will average joe . I feel as though they are victimising average joe . More average joes than simple criminals . Cheers

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by expedition

Very incoherent . Thanks
1 i was entering canada
2 it was canadian border services
3 i am not visiting canada i live here.
4 this i have previously stated.

Please try again

Please read post 25 this thread

FYI..when you are entering Canada and "in" the CBSA area, you might think you are in Canada, but you have NO rights until they let you "in". NO RIGHTS, so you better behave

[expedition]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

FYI..when you are entering Canada and "in" the CBSA area, you might think you are in Canada, but you have NO rights until they let you "in". NO RIGHTS, so you better behave

I dont see that as a good reason to treat canadians who have done nothing wrong poorly .

[tri777]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I just remembered about the only time I ever had a problem with the RCMP or a LEO.
Last winter I was sick as a dog, in the house for a few days. I got a call from the Edmonton Police, saying I had be seen in a hit and run the night before, and had to go to Edmonton for a statement. 6 hour roundtrip. Um no.
I told the Officer he had the wrong guy, but he confirmed my identity, then said 'your truck was spotted and we were given your plate. Was someone else driving your truck?'
I then nearly shat myself, and went out to the garage thinking my truck had been stolen. I told the Officer I was taking a look, and there it was, right where I left it. I asked where the supposed damage was, he said right front corner. My truck was of course unharmed, it was not it.
I asked how they got my plate, when my plate was on my truck in my garage?
He was a little snotty, Sir, Sir, that kind of thing, then said 'we got a partial plate, running what we had yours came up'.
I didn't tell him to go forth and multiply in so many words, just said he was being fairly ignorant with an innocent person going on very little information. They apparently tried this trick on everyone with matching paint and plate. There are a lot of similar colored F150's in Alberta, imagine that!
I asked him to look up my driving/criminal record (both 100% clear) and tell me if I fit the profile of a dirtbag that would hit and run. "no Sir."
He apologized, said he had cleared my name and hung up.

2 hours later I got the same thing from another shining detective.

I could have lost my shat on him, or like another member said 'you will have to talk to my lawyer'. LOL. Let me know what cuffs feel like on a 3 hour trip jammed in the back of a tight uncomfortable Police car because you don't respect authority enough to clear yourself.

Now that's a great story !!
wow..what a day that must of been!!
Thx!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by expedition

I think you are correct simple criminals will get nervous but so will average joe . I feel as though they are victimising average joe . More average joes than simple criminals . Cheers

Getting a read is asking questions which sometimes has nothing to do with body language just a slight stumble or within a minute you forget where you came from, purpose etc.....victimizing the average Joe as you put it may prevent some loony bin from threatening the citizens of our nation etc....after all some loony bins were hard working tax paying citizens that for whatever reason decided to flip and go rogue....all in a good days work and I say keep it up....don't want a school blowing up etc....just saying a few minutes of your or our inconvenience may save life's.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I just remembered about the only time I ever had a problem with the RCMP or a LEO.
Last winter I was sick as a dog, in the house for a few days. I got a call from the Edmonton Police, saying I had be seen in a hit and run the night before, and had to go to Edmonton for a statement. 6 hour roundtrip. Um no.
I told the Officer he had the wrong guy, but he confirmed my identity, then said 'your truck was spotted and we were given your plate. Was someone else driving your truck?'
I then nearly shat myself, and went out to the garage thinking my truck had been stolen. I told the Officer I was taking a look, and there it was, right where I left it. I asked where the supposed damage was, he said right front corner. My truck was of course unharmed, it was not it.
I asked how they got my plate, when my plate was on my truck in my garage?
He was a little snotty, Sir, Sir, that kind of thing, then said 'we got a partial plate, running what we had yours came up'.
I didn't tell him to go forth and multiply in so many words, just said he was being fairly ignorant with an innocent person going on very little information. They apparently tried this trick on everyone with matching paint and plate. There are a lot of similar colored F150's in Alberta, imagine that!
I asked him to look up my driving/criminal record (both 100% clear) and tell me if I fit the profile of a dirtbag that would hit and run. "no Sir."
He apologized, said he had cleared my name and hung up.

2 hours later I got the same thing from another shining detective.

I could have lost my shat on him, or like another member said 'you will have to talk to my lawyer'. LOL. Let me know what cuffs feel like on a 3 hour trip jammed in the back of a tight uncomfortable Police car because you don't respect authority enough to clear yourself.

And unfortunately, that is what happens when someone tries too hard to solve a case. And often, there is no apology. A friend was driving out to the lake in his convertible, when two police cars cut him off, pulled him out of the vehicle, and handcuffed him. Then they went through his vehicle, and found an empty Dads root beer bottle. Apparently, an ambulance driver had reported that he was drinking beer and driving, and the police officers never considered that there might be another explanation. They could have simply pulled him over , and asked if he had been drinking, and he would have showed them the bottle, and there would have been no need to pull him from the vehicle and handcuff him, but instead, they assumed that he was guilty, and turned the situation into a dramatic take down instead. Ad he told me, that when they discovered the true situation, they appeared to be very annoyed, as they took off the handcuffs and left, with no apology offered.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And unfortunately, that is what happens when someone tries too hard to solve a case. And often, there is no apology. A friend was driving out to the lake in his convertible, when two police cars cut him off, pulled him out of the vehicle, and handcuffed him. Then they went through his vehicle, and found an empty Dads root beer bottle. Apparently, an ambulance driver had reported that he was drinking beer and driving, and the police officers never considered that there might be another explanation. They could have simply pulled him over , and asked if he had been drinking, and he would have showed them the bottle, and there would have been no need to pull him from the vehicle and handcuff him, but instead, they assumed that he was guilty, and turned the situation into a dramatic take down instead. Ad he told me, that when they discovered the true situation, they appeared to be very annoyed, as they took off the handcuffs and left, with no apology offered.

While living up north about 12 years ago, and had a place out in the country, I hit the ditch on the way to work at about 5am. Stuck good. No cell phone and an honest -40 on the thermometer. Wasn’t walking anywhere as I wasn’t dressed for it anyway. Oh ya, I had no cell phone back then either. So I settled in and had a sleep until someone drove by that was able to pull me out. I must of been pretty tired because at 8am a cop was tapping on my window. It’s still dark out. I roll the window down and he tells me to step out. I do. He tells me to put my hands behind my back and proceeds to cuff me. Puts me in the back seat and starts racing to town. (He was doing a buck twenty on the gravel roads, told him to slow down as I feared for my life.... lol, he did) anyway, into the garage we drive and straight to the breathalyzer machine. Did it twice, zero both times. Apparently a school bus driver seen me in the ditch and reported a drunk driver. Never even let me blow in the roadside machine he was so sure he had caught a drunk driver. (Cop was very young). So now he tells me I’m free to go....wtf? Now I got to get back to my vehicle out in the ditch... well it wasn’t all bad, I got a free ride to town and was able to walk to a friends place and get pulled out.

[FQ2]

A Citizen’s Guide to Rights When Dealing With Police (in Canada)


http://svan.ca/police-rights/












Approached by the police? Know your rights

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight...ur_rights.html

[Fifth Wheel]

Maybe I've lived a sheltered life. (Could it be my "white privilege"? I dunno). But all of my encounters with LEOs have been pretty respectful both ways. Well maybe not all, but nothing scary. In general, "Yes sir, no sir", seems to work pretty well. My parents taught me respect. It was not optional. I try to see all sides of the arguments made on these topics, but it's hard to relate to experiences you've never had and can't imagine having.

Some 40 years ago a friend told me about his experience after mouthing off to some city cops. There was a bridge, he was taken under it, and it did not go well for him. Then he was free to go. He just laughed about it and swore he would never mouth off to a cop again.

I guess every barrel has a bad apple. I guess times change. But anything other than "Yes sir, no sir", seems just dumb to me.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Fifth Wheel

Maybe I've lived a sheltered life. (Could it be my "white privilege"? I dunno). But all of my encounters with LEOs have been pretty respectful both ways. Well maybe not all, but nothing scary. In general, "Yes sir, no sir", seems to work pretty well. My parents taught me respect. It was not optional. I try to see all sides of the arguments made on these topics, but it's hard to relate to experiences you've never had and can't imagine having.

Some 40 years ago a friend told me about his experience after mouthing off to some city cops. There was a bridge, he was taken under it, and it did not go well for him. Then he was free to go. He just laughed about it and swore he would never mouth off to a cop again.

I guess every barrel has a bad apple. I guess times change. But anything other than "Yes sir, no sir", seems just dumb to me.

So basically your friend was assaulted.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

So basically your friend was assaulted.

Old school policing....now it's ohhhh yeah ohhhh yeah your this race so we apply this law to you and this fella the law applies different.......blah blah v
Blah .....what a frustrating profession to get into.....kinda like an on ice official with all the experts looking down on your call.....oh well.....someone has to do it and by the way ...thx!

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Getting a read is asking questions which sometimes has nothing to do with body language just a slight stumble or within a minute you forget where you came from, purpose etc.....victimizing the average Joe as you put it may prevent some loony bin from threatening the citizens of our nation etc....after all some loony bins were hard working tax paying citizens that for whatever reason decided to flip and go rogue....all in a good days work and I say keep it up....don't want a school blowing up etc....just saying a few minutes of your or our inconvenience may save life's.

RCMP help them across the border unvetted

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

So basically your friend was assaulted.

Assault or a time when you were a jakwad their were consequences.
Personally I'd rather have that than the 'oh poor me I broke a nail when I was robbing the 7/11...I think I'll sue'.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by vcmm

RCMP help them across the border unvetted

Hope not.....