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I have no doubt that in your hands a .223 would be just fine chuck. You would know it's limitations and stay within them. Problem being, a regulation change is for every joe blow out there.
I wouldn't have a problem using my 22/250 on a sausage deer....but with that being said, I'm fine with what the regulations state at the moment as I can guarantee not everyone will stay within the limitations of the smaller bore. I'm sure the problem already exists, why compound it?
I get your concern. I believe it is unfounded and i also believe that too much gun is a bigger problem.
Watch any of these YouTube hunting sensations. Even the enjoyable ones. They all pack magnums. And it is evident that some struggle to shoot them well.
Conversely, guys that use their cartridges to the fullest are also easy to spot.
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On certain species it might be a fine idea. When I get my alberta grizz tag, I know I wouldn't be packing a .243 as common sense would tell me that it would be a poor choice. Unfortunately common sense ain't so common
Neither would I, but I likely wouldn’t pack a magnum either, but who knows.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:35 PM
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This is a great illustration. Really not what Gunwerks is known for, but is highly affective.

https://youtu.be/hOM_FISnju4
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I get your concern. I believe it is unfounded and i also believe that too much gun is a bigger problem.
Watch any of these YouTube hunting sensations. Even the enjoyable ones. They all pack magnums. And it is evident that some struggle to shoot them well.
Conversely, guys that use their cartridges to the fullest are also easy to spot.
So we need annual shooting proficiency testing (like Norway) before able to purchase a wildlife certificate? Now that would cause an uproar.

And no, not everyone can handle the recoil of a larger bore and are suited to a .243. Whatever works. Many choose something larger as they can shoot it well, some not.
Now throw some buck fever, bad wind, just plain old bad shot, ect..... in there and a .223 certainly won't be beneficial, more of a detriment
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So we need annual shooting proficiency testing (like Norway) before able to purchase a wildlife certificate? Now that would cause an uproar.

And no, not everyone can handle the recoil of a larger bore and are suited to a .243. Whatever works. Many choose something larger as they can shoot it well, some not.
Now throw some buck fever, bad wind, just plain old bad shot, ect..... in there and a .223 certainly won't be beneficial, more of a detriment
It would certainly increase the frequency of successfully drawing tags that’s for sure.
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It would certainly increase the frequency of successfully drawing tags that’s for sure.
I'm sure it would. I do recall watching a video of some sort, years ago, of the testing. It wasn't just sitting at a bench shooting paper with a rest. Was actual hunting scenarios, including moving targets. And it seems to me the targets moved at a pretty good pace
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I'm sure it would. I do recall watching a video of some sort, years ago, of the testing. It wasn't just sitting at a bench shooting paper with a rest. Was actual hunting scenarios, including moving targets. And it seems to me the targets moved at a pretty good pace
Yes. They have a moose with two heads going back and forth.
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Still derp, derp, derping.

There's gotta be some tame deer to whack somewhere.

Corny insults suggesting I'm a dog kicking flatbrimmer, but not a single response to the facts. Classic troll move.

I've knocked more white Oakes off of flat brimmers heads than you've shot deer with a rimfire, that's a fact.

Keep up chasing mediocre. Its attainable.
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This is a great illustration. Really not what Gunwerks is known for, but is highly affective.

https://youtu.be/hOM_FISnju4
You know what would be info that would close this out easy? And show that it’s about placement first but construction/s.d./impact velocity over energy/diam/weight? A spreadsheet of all those long range kills just gunworks and BOTW have done. I think people would realize in a hurry what numbers matter when they routinely flatten game at 600-1200 and some pretty standard cases driving these great little bullets. Would love to know the bullets/impact velocities/cases/ranges. That would be fantastic info
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At times I'm not wize enough to pick up on things at first, perhaps there is a hand being played here that many of us don't recognize. So let's pretend this game is called The Bait and Switch.

The assortment of cookies has only 1 type of cookie you like most, only problem is,,, everyone else in the house likes them too.
So the trick is to persuade them that the other cookies are better. Ha. That way it will improve the odds of hoarding all the good cookies for one's self. This game has been played out for 1000's of years. Hopefully this is not the case here. LOL

I think everyone needs to scale back on the big guns, I just hope others don't see me walking around out West this year with my 300 Norma Mag. Ha
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Still derp, derp, derping.

There's gotta be some tame deer to whack somewhere.

Corny insults suggesting I'm a dog kicking flatbrimmer, but not a single response to the facts. Classic troll move.

I've knocked more white Oakes off of flat brimmers heads than you've shot deer with a rimfire, that's a fact.

Keep up chasing mediocre. Its attainable.
Well thanks for sharing your exploits, but I've never personally shot a deer with a rimfire myself.

Lot of opinions given on this thread. I've shared mine. Opinions may or may not be a fact.....

This mediocre you speak of, what is it you are referring to?
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Well thanks for sharing your exploits, but I've never personally shot a deer with a rimfire myself.

Lot of opinions given on this thread. I've shared mine. Opinions may or may not be a fact.....

This mediocre you speak of, what is it you are referring to?
I thought you said that you have shot 40 deer with a 22 WMR?
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I thought you said that you have shot 40 deer with a 22 WMR?
Where exactly did I say that? Assumptions I guess
This was a very tightly regulated event
As I said, veterinarian supervised
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Once upon a time, long long ago, I may or may not have been part of a domestic whitetail deer cull. May have been 40+. Veterinarian supervised of course. Barbituates weren't going to cut it. .22 mag may have done the trick.
Would that be experience?
Yeah there is a difference between a .22 mag and a .223, I get that. Not enough IMO. Would work well in some scenarios, but not all.

Gotta draw a line somehere. I'm good with .240 minimum


I can't imagine why Chuck would ever make such a crazy assumption.....
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I can't imagine why Chuck would ever make such a crazy assumption.....
Haha, really kurt? Grasping again? Take the time to read properly and not assume. If not sure, ask. Not state as a fact
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Haha, really kurt? Grasping again? Take the time to read properly and not assume. If not sure, ask. Not state as a fact
Bahahaha!


Grasping...............



Bahahaha!!!



Who said I didn't understand?

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The .22 mag is a proven deer killer. 40 for 40 (that is real world experience Chuck)......should it be legal? If not....why not? Anybody?
This is dishonest. This is not your “real world experience” and if we can play that game, why are you blatantly ignoring the success of the 223 as a legal hunting cartridge in several western states along with several provinces?
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This is dishonest. This is not your “real world experience” and if we can play that game, why are you blatantly ignoring the success of the 223 as a legal hunting cartridge in several western states along with several provinces?
Every cartridge/bullet will do a job....if used within it's limitations. I have never denied that. Actually read between the lines I have said it over and over. There is a law that draws a line on perceived limitations. I agree with where that line is at....IMO
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This is dishonest. This is not your “real world experience” and if we can play that game, why are you blatantly ignoring the success of the 223 as a legal hunting cartridge in several western states along with several provinces?
I'm not actually sure what you find dishonest chuck. Watching with my own eyes in real life is far more honest evidence/information gathering than watching youtube or googling
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I'm not actually sure what you find dishonest chuck. Watching with my own eyes in real life is far more honest evidence/information gathering than watching youtube or googling
Just tell the bloody truth. At this point I don’t think anyone knows what that is. It’s like watching CNN news.
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Just tell the bloody truth. At this point I don’t think anyone knows what that is. It’s like watching CNN news.
That explains a lot of your posts.
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That explains a lot of your posts.
Are you accusing my of being a liar?
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Are you accusing my of being a liar?
That never crossed my mind.
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That never crossed my mind.
Troll keeps crossing mine.
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Troll keeps crossing mine.
Looks like I have grandkids about the same age as your kids. Some of them as well as my kids used a 222 to learn on, as well as a few of the neighbors kids. Nothing bad to say about the small calibers, as well the larger ones work well when they are ready. Some guys have a hard time realizing that a lot of us have forgot more than you know. Hard to take some of these posts seriously, when you think you know more than everyone. The older you get, the more you realize that there is more to learn. You are probably a good guy, but you come as not so much. You will find you learn more with your eyes and ears, rather than your mouth. If you think I'm trolling, your wrong on that as well. I appreciate your concern with my lack of knowledge, but I would hope you spend more time with your kids, than time you spend on here telling me how clever you are, and how dumb I am. I have hunted for fourty years, and have heard most of your stories before. Thanks for your time Gary!
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Looks like I have grandkids about the same age as your kids. Some of them as well as my kids used a 222 to learn on, as well as a few of the neighbors kids. Nothing bad to say about the small calibers, as well the larger ones work well when they are ready. Some guys have a hard time realizing that a lot of us have forgot more than you know. Hard to take some of these posts seriously, when you think you know more than everyone. The older you get, the more you realize that there is more to learn. You are probably a good guy, but you come as not so much. You will find you learn more with your eyes and ears, rather than your mouth. If you think I'm trolling, your wrong on that as well. I appreciate your concern with my lack of knowledge, but I would hope you spend more time with your kids, than time you spend on here telling me how clever you are, and how dumb I am. I have hunted for fourty years, and have heard most of your stories before. Thanks for your time Gary!
Since when did this thread become all about you? You never have anything to add and follow me around biting my heals and calling me a jerk every chance you get. Why don’t you contribute some of this profound knowledge of yours instead? If everyone listens and no one talks there ain’t much sense being here now is there?

Over and out. I think I’m done with this place anyway.
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Looks like I have grandkids about the same age as your kids. Some of them as well as my kids used a 222 to learn on, as well as a few of the neighbors kids. Nothing bad to say about the small calibers, as well the larger ones work well when they are ready. Some guys have a hard time realizing that a lot of us have forgot more than you know. Hard to take some of these posts seriously, when you think you know more than everyone. The older you get, the more you realize that there is more to learn. You are probably a good guy, but you come as not so much. You will find you learn more with your eyes and ears, rather than your mouth. If you think I'm trolling, your wrong on that as well. I appreciate your concern with my lack of knowledge, but I would hope you spend more time with your kids, than time you spend on here telling me how clever you are, and how dumb I am. I have hunted for fourty years, and have heard most of your stories before. Thanks for your time Gary!
Take what he says with a grain of salt. Him and about 3-4 more on here have severe narcissism, when you realize that their comments are fairly predictable.
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Since when did this thread become all about you? You never have anything to add and follow me around biting my heals and calling me a jerk every chance you get. Why don’t you contribute some of this profound knowledge of yours instead? If everyone listens and no one talks there ain’t much sense being here now is there?

Over and out. I think I’m done with this place anyway.
I have never followed you or any one else around. This thread or any other is not about me. You contribute enough crap for several people, without me having to pile on. I have no profound knowledge, but I do realize that you learn from listening, not talking.When I see a post that is complete crap, and goes against what I know from actual experience, I call out you, or any other guy that is blowing smoke. Time for you Chuck to listen, and let some others with more knowledge than you to speak. I think most guys that have something to say, hopefully speak from actual experience.. Gary.
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Just to clarify, who are the guys trying to show off or act like they know more than everyone else? The guys that have killed or witnessed others killing deer with the 223?
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Once upon a time, long long ago, I may or may not have been part of a domestic whitetail deer cull. May have been 40+. Veterinarian supervised of course. Barbituates weren't going to cut it. .22 mag may have done the trick.

Would that be experience?

Yeah there is a difference between a .22 mag and a .223, I get that. Not enough IMO. Would work well in some scenarios, but not all.



Gotta draw a line somehere. I'm good with .240 minimum

So you didn’t answer the question of who you said is trying to show off or act like they know more than everyone else.
But you did proceed to show off.
Thanks for clarifying for me. I’ve got it now.

And the 223 is quite different than the 22 mag. If I had to be shot with one, I know which one I’d prefer.

Please answer one last question as succinct as possible. How many of those 40+ kills were brain shots and how many were lung shots (or even general “boiler room” chest cavity if you want to count it all together)?
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