Baiting in the off season, for trail cam pics?

[tex92]

I have searched the regs and all I can find about bait and attractant is, you are not allow to hunt over them. I am trying to find out if you are allowed to to set out a bait and trail cams let's say from now (Jan. 3) till july. I want to see what if any deer are in a new area I want to hunt. Can anyone point me to where I can find this in the regs or can tell me if you are allowed to do this or not. Thanks

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by mattgoulding

I have searched the regs and all I can find about bait and attractant is, you are not allow to hunt over them. I am trying to find out if you are allowed to to set out a bait and trail cams let's say from now (Jan. 3) till july. I want to see what if any deer are in a new area I want to hunt. Can anyone point me to where I can find this in the regs or can tell me if you are allowed to do this or not. Thanks

Sorry, AO is not the place to ask. A call to F&W should provide the answer you seek.

There may be people here who know but there's a 99% chance they'll get shouted down by the self proclaimed experts, leaving you wondering who is right and who is just blowing smoke.

[Smoky buck]

Calling F&W would be wise and get your answer by email so you can save it

What I have heard is yes you are ok to bait over a cam but you cannot hunt over it. Sounds kinda grey area to me so I just don’t do it

In my opinion putting cams on travel routes works good enough if you pick your spots correct

[58thecat]

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/archi...p/t-57145.html

Like most questions they were table before and answered..enjoy...I got a cam up now and a load of bird seed etc from the feeders that capture deer, moose etc...

[CNP]

Originally Posted by mattgoulding

I have searched the regs and all I can find about bait and attractant is, you are not allow to hunt over them. I am trying to find out if you are allowed to to set out a bait and trail cams let's say from now (Jan. 3) till july. I want to see what if any deer are in a new area I want to hunt. Can anyone point me to where I can find this in the regs or can tell me if you are allowed to do this or not. Thanks

Laws tell you what is prohibited, not what is permitted. So, you're not going to find a statute for stuff you can do..........that book would be too big

There is such a thing as baiting for the purpose of hunting and then there is feeding of wildlife/use of attractants. The Wildlife Act does not prohibit the feeding of wildlife other than in Parks and rec areas. Municipalities may have bylaws in effect that prohibit the feeding of wildlife. I cannot feed wildlife in my municipality as there is a bylaw prohibiting this.

[hayseed]

Set up some on a hayfield, grain field, near a sileage pit, grain pile, under an apple tree in town...

See where the grey is?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by CNP

Laws tell you what is prohibited, not what is permitted. So, you're not going to find a statute for stuff you can do..........that book would be too big

There is such a thing as baiting for the purpose of hunting and then there is feeding of wildlife/use of attractants. The Wildlife Act does not prohibit the feeding of wildlife other than in Parks and rec areas. Municipalities may have bylaws in effect that prohibit the feeding of wildlife. I cannot feed wildlife in my municipality as there is a bylaw prohibiting this.

Ya that would be another avenue to explore as have the conversation if it is allowed in your county or M.D....Good point.

[Sitkaspruce]

If baiting during the winter, watch you don't set up a predator trap. We are allowed to bait here in BC and our group shuts down by the first week of Dec as we don't want to attract preds. We usually bait from last week of Oct to Dec. By the last week of Nov, we will start to see some coyotes and the odd wolf make a pass by.

And, once the bears are out and about, other than salt, all your attractants will become bear attractants, which is okay if that is what you are looking for.

Its just something to think about.

Cheers

SS

[Osky]

Down here cats are my favorite quarry. To keep tabs management wise I hang bird feeders with cameras on them outside of season.
Here we can bait certain other game anytime but must stop x amount of days before that species season opens, and even then we cannot hunt over that exact spot. We must be x amount of distance away/new location.
Really makes no sense to me when so many guys plant and legally hunt over food plots. Can you do that up there?

Osky

[DiabeticKripple]

Throw a salt block out in front of the cam and have fun going though your pics.

[Jays toyz]

Its fine but that spot is off limits to hang a stand for a long time. You cannot just take away the food and hunt that spot after.

[Jays toyz]

Originally Posted by Osky

Down here cats are my favorite quarry. To keep tabs management wise I hang bird feeders with cameras on them outside of season.
Here we can bait certain other game anytime but must stop x amount of days before that species season opens, and even then we cannot hunt over that exact spot. We must be x amount of distance away/new location.
Really makes no sense to me when so many guys plant and legally hunt over food plots. Can you do that up there?

Osky

Technically not legal to plant anything to benefit wildlife if you plan to hunt said wildlife. I wanted a small food plot but its a no go.

[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by Jays toyz

Its fine but that spot is off limits to hang a stand for a long time. You cannot just take away the food and hunt that spot after.

There is no time frame or distance from an existing baited site, very grey area and the regulations state "hunting over".

Originally Posted by Jays toyz

Technically not legal to plant anything to benefit wildlife if you plan to hunt said wildlife. I wanted a small food plot but its a no go.

Incorrect, habitat improvement with food plots are completely legal and advertised through many outfitters in Alberta.

Jim

[35 whelen]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

There is no time frame or distance from an existing baited site, very grey area and the regulations state "hunting over".







Incorrect, habitat improvement with food plots are completely legal and advertised through many outfitters in Alberta.



Jim

Do you have any examples of Outfitters advertising food plots?

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[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

Do you have any examples of Outfitters advertising food plots?

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There is many, lots even recorded and produced through the filming community to be broadcast to the public.

I am sure this has been discussed to death, there should be lots of discussion on this topic.

[Jays toyz]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

There is no time frame or distance from an existing baited site, very grey area and the regulations state "hunting over".


Incorrect, habitat improvement with food plots are completely legal and advertised through many outfitters in Alberta.

My understanding is minerals and food plots are attractant. If I planted a spot because the leaves were pretty, technically might be able to get away with it but I won't push the rules. I Certainly could be wrong as I have misinterpreted the regs before.

Jim

That's why I suggested not hunting over a spot that was once baited. I dumped a pound of mineral in front of a camera and had deer at that spot for 2 years after. No way I could have argued it wasn't baiting if I had hunted it

I have never heard of an outfitter in Alberta having anything to do with food plots. Please give an example.

[Jays toyz]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

There is many, lots even recorded and produced through the filming community to be broadcast to the public.

I am sure this has been discussed to death, there should be lots of discussion on this topic.

Do your own search. All signs point to not legal including quotes from here and outfitters pages.

[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by Jays toyz

That's why I suggested not hunting over a spot that was once baited. I dumped a pound of mineral in front of a camera and had deer at that spot for 2 years after. No way I could have argued it wasn't baiting if I had hunted it

I have never heard of an outfitter in Alberta having anything to do with food plots. Please give an example.

Some recent case law would be the Palmer buck in Iowa.... Yes this is an American case, but it does cover legalities fairly well.

Can you provide any case law providing your point of view ?

Originally Posted by Jays toyz

Do your own search. All signs point to not legal including quotes from here and outfitters pages.

To remove any doubt, look at the Ross Creek project which has partners such as ACA, AFGA, Pheasants Forever which plants food plots for public access for the purpose of hunting.

I know of many who have utilized outfitters and hunted over food plots, not a secret nor illegal.

Jim

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by mattgoulding

I have searched the regs and all I can find about bait and attractant is, you are not allow to hunt over them. I am trying to find out if you are allowed to to set out a bait and trail cams let's say from now (Jan. 3) till july. I want to see what if any deer are in a new area I want to hunt. Can anyone point me to where I can find this in the regs or can tell me if you are allowed to do this or not. Thanks

Ignore the old fudd and his negative opinion of the quality of answers you’ll receive on the forum. Lots of people are willing to answer questions and we shouldn’t be discouraging content on here.

Place whatever bait you want out there for the purposes of getting some trail cam pics and seeing what’s around. You just can’t hunt over bait. I know SitkaSpruce does a lot of baiting out in BC for Whitetails so I’d take whatever advice he gives because he knows what he is talking about.

[DiabeticKripple]

i know of a few guys that planted cut lines on their land with alfalfa and clover. Makes a good cover and helps the wildlife out. Also great for setting a blind on.

[nelsonob1]

If you can do it legally, its a good way to figure out whats around. We put a salt lick out in the same spots every year and its interesting not only how much game coes to it, but also the diversity.

I've had a couple of bulls that show up frequently, always at night and for years, that I've never laid eyes on.

[BorealBucks]

food plot, farmers field full of feed, opened up grain silo's. All the same. There is more benefit than harm.

Hunting over the things listed below:

Have a family farm that has apple trees, apples fall off naturally deer eat said apples, not baiting

buy a bag of apples and toss them in a pile, baiting

farmer opens his grain silo to get rid of some old grain, not baiting.

take a bag of grain dump it out somewhere, baiting

farmers field that has food planted that deer love, not baiting

planting same food in a field, baiting... no doesn't make sense.

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

There is no time frame or distance from an existing baited site, very grey area and the regulations state "hunting over".



Incorrect, habitat improvement with food plots are completely legal and advertised through many outfitters in Alberta.

Jim

I called fish and wildlife and asked if I could legally plant a food plot and they said no. Not sure where you are receiving your info from but id like to see it in writing not just your opinion

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by BorealBucks

food plot, farmers field full of feed, opened up grain silo's. All the same. There is more benefit than harm.

Hunting over the things listed below:

Have a family farm that has apple trees, apples fall off naturally deer eat said apples, not baiting

buy a bag of apples and toss them in a pile, baiting

farmer opens his grain silo to get rid of some old grain, not baiting.

take a bag of grain dump it out somewhere, baiting

farmers field that has food planted that deer love, not baiting

planting same food in a field, baiting... no doesn't make sense.

correct me if im wrong but are they not trying to limit the spread of disease?

[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by bucksman

I called fish and wildlife and asked if I could legally plant a food plot and they said no. Not sure where you are receiving your info from but id like to see it in writing not just your opinion

I did provide you with the project at Ross Creek. The planting of food plots have been rotated from corn to this past seasons winter wheat.

https://pheasantsforeverchinook.ca/n...wheat-project/

The planting of food plots are habitat improvement, there is zero grey area as every species in the respective area benefit from these. If your worried, place signage so the target species understands the risk of grazing there.

Jim

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

I did provide you with the project at Ross Creek. The planting of food plots have been rotated from corn to this past seasons winter wheat.

https://pheasantsforeverchinook.ca/n...wheat-project/

The planting of food plots are habitat improvement, there is zero grey area as every species in the respective area benefit from these. If your worried, place signage so the target species understands the risk of grazing there.

Jim

This was a food plot that you planted on private land that you hunt over? Well hot damn im gonna start planting food plots everywere and saying its for pheasants and its ok because someone on AO said it was. Cant believe fish and wildlife would lie to me like that

[35 whelen]

As far as I know you cannot plant and Hunt over fields are food plots unless they're harvested , I own land and I know a few other guys that own land they plant Alfalfa and get it harvested every year as far as I know that is legal I have not done any of that yet on my land.

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[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by bucksman

This was a food plot that you planted on private land that you hunt over? Well hot damn im gonna start planting food plots everywere and saying its for pheasants and its ok because someone on AO said it was. Cant believe fish and wildlife would lie to me like that

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not... I pointed you to just one of many current examples of habitat enhancement which was done by wildlife organizations.

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

As far as I know you cannot plant and Hunt over fields are food plots unless they're harvested , I own land and I know a few other guys that own land they plant Alfalfa and get it harvested every year as far as I know that is legal I have not done any of that yet on my land.

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It is actually better to take your final cut on alfalfa a couple weeks before fall. The new growth will be candy to the species that use that as a food source.

How on earth is creating habitat illegal ?

Jim

[35 whelen]

Originally Posted by Simplefarmer

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not... I pointed you to just one of many current examples of habitat enhancement which was done by wildlife organizations.







It is actually better to take your final cut on alfalfa a couple weeks before fall. The new growth will be candy to the species that use that as a food source.



How on earth is creating habitat illegal ?



Jim

It's not it's just illegal l to hunt over it if it's not harvested then it's just a food plot which are illegal as far as I know in Alberta

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[Simplefarmer]

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

It's not it's just illegal l to hunt over it if it's not harvested then it's just a food plot which are illegal as far as I know in Alberta

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Please provide one case in Alberta where anyone has been charged with hunting over a crop they planted for habitat improvement on their own deeded land. There is none, just like you will not find any terms referencing planting crops for the purpose of hunting is illegal.

Placing an attractant is a temporary action which singles out your intent... Planting a field of dreams which is used through out the year is improving habitat for all species.

Did you bother to even look at the Ross Creek program I shared links ? It is black and white these shareholders are not breaking laws by improving the habitat and allowing the general public to access for the purpose of hunting.

Jim