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Military grade
Reminds me of the British frigets in the Falklands war
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Military grade? Sure. Military application? Not a chance. In all fairness, with the heat developed to do that, I think it’s a futile argument. Any truck that got hot enough to do that is toast (see what I did there?)
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Looks pretty fake to me.
That aside, how does this really affect anything? If that A pillar hadn't melted, we could have buffed it out, blasted aluminum...
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Not what they're cracked up to be. For a while, GM ran a commercial where somebody throws something in the box, punches a hole right through.  Friend has one that suffered hail damage, repair once, next time it's new panels. Don't think that's fake, doesn't take much to melt aluminum and its messy and drips.
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Anybody that served in the military knows that military grade means the contract was awarded to the lowest bidder. 
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Ain't that the truth.
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05-29-2018, 08:47 PM
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Possibly this one:
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05-29-2018, 09:08 PM
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The aluminum ridgid pipe wrenches do the same job as the heavy old steel ones and there a lot lighter. I have no problems with the aluminum frame fords it’s not the first time or the last that a pick up has been reduced to scrap metal from a wreck.
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Anybody that served in the military knows that military grade means the contract was awarded to the lowest bidder. |
Exactly. I seem to recall one of the early Apollo space astronauts observing the same thing as he looked around the cramped capsule, waiting to have a half million pounds of fuel ignited under his butt....
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05-29-2018, 09:29 PM
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Dam can’t put bbq on tailgate anymore at tailgate party. But then a lot others are plastic now.
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05-29-2018, 10:18 PM
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Wow that joke is 3 years old now.
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The aluminum ridgid pipe wrenches do the same job as the heavy old steel ones and there a lot lighter. I have no problems with the aluminum frame fords it’s not the first time or the last that a pick up has been reduced to scrap metal from a wreck.
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The thing with aluminum wrenches is that they’re fine when the only force on them is a humans natural strength, once someone applies a snipe for extra leverage then the difference between aluminum and steel wrenches becomes apparent.
Audi had been building their flagship A8 sedan entirely out of aluminum for decades (since 1994).
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The aluminum ridgid pipe wrenches do the same job as the heavy old steel ones and there a lot lighter. I have no problems with the aluminum frame fords it’s not the first time or the last that a pick up has been reduced to scrap metal from a wreck.
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Just the body is aluminum. The frames are still steel.
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05-30-2018, 08:34 AM
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I just don’t understand the idea of making the new F150’s that light. Sure, better mileage on the highway but that comes at the expense of having a vehicle that handles very poorly once the pavement ends.
We have a whole fleet of new F150’s at work so I’ve driven more than one. Hit a bit of washboard doing 50k and the arse end of them kicks out very violently. To the point the anti-sway towing feature kicks in and slows the truck down to a crawl.
I’ve actually never driven a truck that handles so poorly. Some areas of site have resorted to strapping a bunch of weight in the back since the poor handling has been brought up as a safety issue. That helps, but takes up room in the box and negates the idea of having a light weight aluminum body in the first place.
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Most f 150 are grocery getters or pavement queens and the manufactures know that. But be interesting to here from guys that have the aluminum f350 if they find that as well on rough roads
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Maybe Ford should offset the weight productively by making the fuel tanks 50%+ additional capacity. Sure their weight will vary but it’s a help until they’re low.
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I just don’t understand the idea of making the new F150’s that light. Sure, better mileage on the highway but that comes at the expense of having a vehicle that handles very poorly once the pavement ends.
We have a whole fleet of new F150’s at work so I’ve driven more than one. Hit a bit of washboard doing 50k and the arse end of them kicks out very violently. To the point the anti-sway towing feature kicks in and slows the truck down to a crawl.
I’ve actually never driven a truck that handles so poorly. Some areas of site have resorted to strapping a bunch of weight in the back since the poor handling has been brought up as a safety issue. That helps, but takes up room in the box and negates the idea of having a light weight aluminum body in the first place.
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I believe the Chevy's are still lighter than the F150. So if the Chevy's don't handle in a similar manner on the washboard, its not necessarily a weight issue. Sure, more weight would likely help, but it's a compromise as it would likely hinder the other 99.99% of driving situations.
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For me fords have never been good on washboard. Doesn't matter to me though. Their electric power steering is so undependable I will never own one.
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05-30-2018, 10:23 AM
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Comparing 2018 specs same body styles Chevy is on average 600lbs heavier but the new Chevy for 2019 will be 600 lbs lighter then it 2018 model. Soon we will put 5th wheel on a vw bug
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The thing with aluminum wrenches is that they’re fine when the only force on them is a humans natural strength, once someone applies a snipe for extra leverage then the difference between aluminum and steel wrenches becomes apparent.
Audi had been building their flagship A8 sedan entirely out of aluminum for decades (since 1994).
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Yep
Back in the '80's (before safety craze) I was tightening some nuts on a horses head..needed to use a small snipe...aluminum wrench snapped right at the edge of the snipe...I almost impaled myself on the polish rod falling off.
Ugh what a memory...thanks a lot OP 
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Like this https://youtu.be/SpwH9WeVEfU ?
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Yup can’t to see that tow a toy hauler. So much for buying a one ton got to go find one of those
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I haven't seen any steel boxes that weren't written off after a fire.
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What is “military” grade aluminum? Isn’t there only one grade...
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For me fords have never been good on washboard. Doesn't matter to me though. Their electric power steering is so undependable I will never own one.
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Have had all of the big 3 trucks for work at one time or another. I find my f150 the beat handling on washboard roads. The 2012 dodge was worthless.
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Could be worse, it could have been a Dodge.
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No, there are multiple types. 6061 and 7075 are two types that come to mind but there are different grades to them as well. A bad example would be Chinese to Canadian made products. Again, it’s a bad example but you get the point.
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It's a marketing term, so over used, that it doesn't mean anything.
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Similar to military grade potatoes or military grade toilet paper. Navy Seal endorsed dental floss that also doubles as a handy garrotte
I’ve seen mil-spec ratings on cans of pipe dope.
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I think they use the term "Military Grade" as an advertising slogan to make you think it is really built to a "MIL- SPEC" standard.
Obviously there is a huge difference.
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