US Protectionism

[Scott h]

It will be interesting to see what happens in a couple of days once Trump gets sworn in. It is how ever looking like some of his biggest Canadian supporters could be the ones he hurts the most........
http://www.calgaryherald.com/blindsi...320/story.html

[Bitumen Bullet]

It would be a good thing if it got Canadians asking why the governments have allowed U.S. domination of many Canadian industries. Why Canada after 150yrs is still dependent on the export of resources to a single market, the market of our protectorate. If it got Canadians asking, then demanding we sell to the world it could be very good.

But would make for very interesting times.

[HoytCRX32]

Originally Posted by Bitumen Bullet

It would be a good thing if it got Canadians asking why the governments have allowed U.S. domination of many Canadian industries. Why Canada after 150yrs is still dependent on the export of resources to a single market, the market of our protectorate. If it got Canadians asking, then demanding we sell to the world it could be very good.

But would make for very interesting times.

It would be great to have a government(s) that would allow us to export to other world markets...Read: Northern Gateway

[Bitumen Bullet]

Originally Posted by HoytCRX32

It would be great to have a government(s) that would allow us to export to other world markets...Read: Northern Gateway

Or to have kept the ocean ports open and operating in Manitoba or better yet to allow us to import from other markets when our local industry is foreign dominated, Read: Canadian regime for importation of automotive and the WTO.

Or even if the Government told the world that Canada is Carbon Negative (like Bhutan) and our products should be preferred over all others (but not like they did with Asbestos).

[Okotokian]

It's a wake-up call, just like the rejection of Keystone was. We will always sell a lot to the US, and should continue. They will always our biggest trading partner by virtue of their size and proximity, and we should continue to have as good relations with them as we possibly can. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Grit your teeth, swallow hard, and shake Trump's hand. I will say Trudeau seems to realize this and has shuffled a lot of people to focus very clearly on building relationships with the new regime. Witness Andrew Leslie's promotion, mostly due to his relationships with Trump's generals.

BUT we need to hustle hard to find and expand new markets so we are not so dependent upon one customer. The EU agreement was good. We need to continue. We need to build pipelines to tidewater. We need to get in on expanding markets in Asia, south America, etc. Need to diversify.

[Scott h]

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"BUT we need to hustle hard to find and expand new markets so we are not so dependent upon one customer. The EU agreement was good. We need to continue. We need to build pipelines to tidewater. We need to get in on expanding markets in Asia, south America, etc. Need to diversify. "

Yeh that seems to be the take home message. Kinda funny that after all the Jane Fondas and Neil Youngs work at tryiing to kill Canadian oil all it took was a over the top protectionist president to make our products uneconomical.......

[dmcbride]

People will blame Trump.

Personally I think this is a Canada problem. We can't even get pipelines built so we don't have to depend of one customer.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

People will blame Trump.

Personally I think this is a Canada problem. We can't even get pipelines built so we don't have to depend of one customer.

You are right but we've been doing business with the US for a lot of years and done alright. Trump may be a game changer in that respect and it seems pointless to even consider keystone at this point.
Getting increased trade with Europe and Asian countries will probably be more important than ever in the next 4 years. Ontario is scared for their auto industry and Alberta for oil and BC for softwood.

[Reaver]

Originally Posted by Bitumen Bullet

Or to have kept the ocean ports open and operating in Manitoba or better yet to allow us to import from other markets when our local industry is foreign dominated, Read: Canadian regime for importation of automotive and the WTO.

Or even if the Government told the world that Canada is Carbon Negative (like Bhutan) and our products should be preferred over all others (but not like they did with Asbestos).

Thanks for the heads up on the Bhutan thing. I've never heard that before.

http://www.ecowatch.com/this-country...882195367.html

[coastalhunter]

Tin foil:

I think our MASSIVE resource bases are being saved for when we aren't in charge anymore.

[300magman]

If all the predictions are true, he's doing exactly what he was voted in to do.....look after Americas interests before the interests of all others. Could it hurt Canada? Absolutely. But the guy can't be faulted, I hope one day we have a government in power that puts the well being of Canadians above all else.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 300magman

If all the predictions are true, he's doing exactly what he was voted in to do.....look after Americas interests before the interests of all others. Could it hurt Canada? Absolutely. But the guy can't be faulted, I hope one day we have a government in power that puts the well being of Canadians above all else.

I guess our prime minister could follow trump's lead and put a 35% tariff on all US vehicles and computers. How about a 35% tax on all oil headed south before they get their production ramped up? Possibly a 35% tax on grain headed to the US? Maybe start the ball rolling with 35% on all the electricity that Quebec and BC ship to the northern states. That should start to level the playing field, eh? Nothing like reneging on agreements to make things interesting........

[300magman]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I guess our prime minister could follow trump's lead and put a 35% tariff on all US vehicles and computers. How about a 35% tax on all oil headed south before they get their production ramped up? Possibly a 35% tax on grain headed to the US? Maybe start the ball rolling with 35% on all the electricity that Quebec and BC ship to the northern states. That should start to level the playing field, eh? Nothing like reneging on agreements to make things interesting........

At the end of the day, if this comes to fruition and benefits the people of the US, then he is doing what he was voted in to do "Make AMERICA great again". Nowhere did he campaign on the promise of making Canada great along with them. Im not saying I agree with what he may do as far as NAFTA goes, in fact I dont agree at all. But, what I am saying is that joe blow american voter cares much more about his own backyard than ours.

This is why we need to get our product to market in Asia, as well as build the energy East to look after ourselves domestically. Just as one example to use the article you cited, we are importing 300,000 barrels of oil from the US, as well as Saudi Oil to Quebec, as opposed to building the infrastructure that allows us to supply that need domestically. How is that looking after the best interests of all Canadians?

What we need to do is to look to markets other than the US, and stop hand-cuffing ourselves in BS internally that will prevent the required infrastructure ever getting built. Its very uncertain times with Trump's presidency, and it seems quite apparent that we will be feeling some pain up here, so we need a government that spends less time pandering to special interest groups, and more time focusing on "making Canada great again".

[Bitumen Bullet]

Originally Posted by coastalhunter

Tin foil:

I think our MASSIVE resource bases are being saved for when we aren't in charge anymore.

That tin foil hat isn't tight enough. You still think we are in charge.

BTW Canadian resources do show up on American reserve lists, most notably Oil, though sometimes the docs we get to see have them listed as North American.

[Bitumen Bullet]

Originally Posted by Reaver

Thanks for the heads up on the Bhutan thing. I've never heard that before.

http://www.ecowatch.com/this-country...882195367.html

I think the big question is why you, and all Canadians, have not heard that before. Here's a cut/paste from a blog on the topic.

EcoWatch has claimed that Bhutan is "...one of the few countries in the world to have negative carbon emissions."

Bhutan has 18 people per sq/km and a birth rate of 20 per 1,000 which is higher than replacement.

Canada has 3.5 people per sq/km and a birth rate of 10 per 1,000, much more sustainable than Bhutan. Population density is a key measure because generally speaking the higher the population density the more damage being done to ecosystems. It is difficult for a crowded Nation like Bhutan with 18 people per sq/km to be sustainable.

Bhutan is small, only 38,000 sq/kms, 25,000 of that is forest. The claim is that 25,000 sq/km of forest sinks 6Mt of carbon, while the Nation emits only 1.4Mt, result is carbon negative.

Canada has 3,500,000 sq/km of forest, and using those same measures sinking 840Mt while only emitting 710Mt. That also results in Canada being carbon negative and Canada's sustainability does not depend on forests alone.

While each Canadian has 100,000 sq/meters of forest (Bhutanese 33,000 sq/meters) Canada has many large carbon cycles. Some of those larger cycles include cold lakes and oceans, land, soil, and coastlines, all massive carbon sinks for Canada. Search "Carbon Sequestration by Coastal Marine Habitats" to see how it is to Canada's advantage to have the worlds longest coastline. And Canada exports carbon, most obviously in wood and grains.

Bhutan has about 325,000 cattle, almost half a cow per person, while Canada with 12.5 million has only a third of a cow per person. Which reminds me this is day three I have to go feed my third of a cow as our government needs products from the other end to feed to Canadians into believing they are a climate villain.

Per capita cattle by itself tells us little about how much each country may or may not be contributing to warming with cattle farts. A better measure is cattle per sq/km because methane has a Global Warming Potential of 25 but natural process will break it down faster than CO2. Bhutan has more than 9 cows per sq/km. Canada has a mere 1.25 cows per sq/km. Bhutan is not better than Canada when it comes to cattle farts.

Whatever numbers we use if Bhutan is sinking more carbon than they produce then so is Canada. Yet one is a hero and one a villain.

If a Nation emits more carbon than it sinks atmospheric CO2 levels will rise regardless of a Nations Gross National Happiness or stage of development. Science does not support the villain conclusion.

Bhutan is carbon sustainable and should shout that from their many tree tops. My concern is why Canada, Canadians, do not feel they have a similar responsibility to promote and defend their own country.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 300magman

At the end of the day, if this comes to fruition and benefits the people of the US, then he is doing what he was voted in to do "Make AMERICA great again". Nowhere did he campaign on the promise of making Canada great along with them. Im not saying I agree with what he may do as far as NAFTA goes, in fact I dont agree at all. But, what I am saying is that joe blow american voter cares much more about his own backyard than ours.

This is why we need to get our product to market in Asia, as well as build the energy East to look after ourselves domestically. Just as one example to use the article you cited, we are importing 300,000 barrels of oil from the US, as well as Saudi Oil to Quebec, as opposed to building the infrastructure that allows us to supply that need domestically. How is that looking after the best interests of all Canadians?

What we need to do is to look to markets other than the US, and stop hand-cuffing ourselves in BS internally that will prevent the required infrastructure ever getting built. Its very uncertain times with Trump's presidency, and it seems quite apparent that we will be feeling some pain up here, so we need a government that spends less time pandering to special interest groups, and more time focusing on "making Canada great again".

Yes getting ALL of Canada's produce to tidewater and bypassing the US altogether is the only answer so that the "grand ol USA" can be great AND lonely. What's that old saying about "who needs enemies with friends like that".
Trumps also telling Germany that they will be putting a 35% tariff on all their cars because Germans don't buy enough American cars. The German interviewed answered that they would if the US would just build better vehicles

[stringer]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Trumps also telling Germany that they will be putting a 35% tariff on all their cars because Germans don't buy enough American cars. The German interviewed answered that they would if the US would just build better vehicles

Nothing like changing the story to fit your agenda,it's called (fake news)
The Germans are building a plant in Mexico to supply cars to the U.S. .
Trump told them that if they built their cars in Mexico rather than the U.S. He would impose a 35%.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by stringer

Trump told them that if they built their cars in Mexico rather than the U.S. He would impose a 35%.

What about their cars built in Germany??? Is Trump proposing to put tariffs on all cars produced outside of the US (including Canada??)? Or only those built in Mexico? What is the difference to the US economy between a car built in Mexico, Germany, Korea, or Japan? He appears to be talking himself into a corner. Even the b US auto makers don' want tariff walls going up all over.

It will be interesting to see other auto-making countries slapping big tariffs on US manufactured vehicles....

[stringer]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

What about their cars built in Germany??? Is Trump proposing to put tariffs on all cars produced outside of the US (including Canada??)? Or only those built in Mexico? What is the difference to the US economy between a car built in Mexico, Germany, Korea, or Japan? He appears to be talking himself into a corner. Even the b US auto makers don' want tariff walls going up all over.

It will be interesting to see other auto-making countries slapping big tariffs on US manufactured vehicles....

Surprise , most European cars sold in North and South America are being made in Mexico as we speak.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by stringer

Nothing like changing the story to fit your agenda,it's called (fake news)
The Germans are building a plant in Mexico to supply cars to the U.S. .
Trump told them that if they built their cars in Mexico rather than the U.S. He would impose a 35%.

I guess 90% of the dribble that comes out of Trumps mouth would be considered fake news (if not all out lies). Thankfully the Germans told him to stuff it.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/16/germa...r-remarks.html

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

What about their cars built in Germany??? Is Trump proposing to put tariffs on all cars produced outside of the US (including Canada??)? Or only those built in Mexico? What is the difference to the US economy between a car built in Mexico, Germany, Korea, or Japan? He appears to be talking himself into a corner. Even the b US auto makers don' want tariff walls going up all over.

It will be interesting to see other auto-making countries slapping big tariffs on US manufactured vehicles....

If he's going to put tariffs on Mexico, he'll probably put them on Canadian produced also.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Scott h

If he's going to put tariffs on Mexico, he'll probably put them on Canadian produced also.

Well, that would be consistent and logical, but the Donald is not known for that. He's got a bee in his bonnet for Mexico.

[Newview01]

Has Trump even mentioned Canada as of yet?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Has Trump even mentioned Canada as of yet?

Yes

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...-tax-as-mexico

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Yes

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...-tax-as-mexico

Interesting. Time to find other markets.

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Interesting. Time to find other markets.

Or he's gonna need another wall

[Lornce]

Mind you he did say this, perhaps he'll annex western Canada.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Lornce

Mind you he did say this, perhaps he'll annex western Canada.

I would prefer a new country consisting of western Canada and some north-western states, with Rand Paul as president.

[lmtada]

Trade between EU and USA. 100% Tariff on motorcycles KTM, vs Hormone Beef??

http://www.cyclenews.com/2017/01/art...trade-dispute/

[bessiedog]

Canadians supporting Trump...... careful what you wish for..

Gonna hurt the lumber industry, textile industry, beef industry, auto industry....and a few others....

Yes... Let's hope the EU free trade deal and a future deal with China will soften the blow......
But until those trade connections happen.... WE are all gonna suffer.

I'm not sure if our Oil Industry is gonna be better off.

Our economy is going to face a big disruption.