Police cruiser hit by train with handcuffed suspect inside.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Watch at the start where the cruiser is parked, RIGHT on the tracks.

Somehow this lady wasn't killed. All those cops on scene and none of them noticed he was parked on the tracks? This is going to be REALLY expensive for that PD. Details of the stop are in the video description.

Impact at 7:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKyGJ3jb40

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pablo-v...alez-colorado/

[Talking moose]

“If you ever feel like you screwed up at work, just come back and watch this”

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

“If you ever feel like you screwed up at work, just come back and watch this”

That one will be hard to top, for stupidity, and it will cost the police a lot of cash, by the time things are settled. They won't want to get sued, and end up with a jury deciding compensation.

[Blazer 1]

Situational awareness guys!!!

[urban rednek]

Here is the initial story from Sept. 17, 2022:
https://kdvr.com/news/local/train-hi...etained-woman/

Too bad none of the officers paid any attention to the train horn sounding at 5:05 as it approached another level crossing.

[58thecat]

Just trying to not have a repeat offender back out in a few hours was all.
Gotta get creative.


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Just trying to not have a repeat offender back out in a few hours was all.
Gotta get creative.


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Unfortunately, being creative will cost the taxpayers millions this time.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by does it ALL outdoors

Watch at the start where the cruiser is parked, RIGHT on the tracks.

Somehow this lady wasn't killed. All those cops on scene and none of them noticed he was parked on the tracks? This is going to be REALLY expensive for that PD. Details of the stop are in the video description.

Impact at 7:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKyGJ3jb40

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pablo-v...alez-colorado/

You ever been involved in a felony traffic stop? Guarantee they had tunnel vision , auditory exclusion and were focused on what else or who else could be in that vehicle rather than noticing where they were parked. psychological and physiological facts of high stress situations. You can somewhat mitigate those issues by training or continual exposure (numbing the senses) but they’re always there.

[Trochu]

Mistakes where made, but just think, none of this would have happened if someone didn't threaten another with a gun while driving.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Mistakes where made, but just think, none of this would have happened if someone didn't threaten another with a gun while driving.

Right there is the root cause of the whole situation! Cause and effect!

BW

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Right there is the root cause of the whole situation! Cause and effect!

BW

I have done way too many incident investigations to believe that would be accepted as the root cause. Arrests happen every day, people are placed in police vehicles every day, but , it is extremely rare, that the car with prisoner, is struck by a train.

Sure the train would not have struck the car if the person would not have been apprehended, but the actual cause was parking on active railway tracks, and that is why this will likely be settled out of court, rather than risk a lawsuit and trial.

[6.5 shooter]

And the normal defend the BLUE no matter how bad they screw up crowd is here in force. You guys crack me up, that and the bad jokes.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have done way too many incident investigations to believe that would be accepted as the root cause. Arrests happen every day, people are placed in police vehicles every day, but , it is extremely rare, that the car with prisoner, is struck by a train.

Sure the train would not have struck the car if the person would not have been apprehended, but the actual cause was parking on active railway tracks, and that is why this will likely be settled out of court, rather than risk a lawsuit and trial.

Although a very poor choice to park there, the act of parking would not have happened if the apprehension was not required. Root cause is the crime. Poor choices were made in the situation but root cause goes back to the beginning. Just because things don’t normally go that way, doesn’t change root cause.

If somebody cuts off your catalytic converter and your car burns down in the shop getting repaired. The root cause is still the converter theft. The shop will cover your loss, and there possible mistakes, but it’s only there in the first place for one reason.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

Too bad none of the officers paid any attention to the train horn sounding at 5:05 as it approached another level crossing.

That's the part I have a hard time with. You can clearly hear the Train horn well before the exploder got hit, they were too focused on finding something on her despite how many were on the scene, yikes.

Like someone already mentioned, situational awareness. It can save your life in so many ways.

That's gonna be REAL 'Spensive!

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Just trying to not have a repeat offender back out in a few hours was all.
Gotta get creative.


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Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Right there is the root cause of the whole situation! Cause and effect!

BW

Just the facts.

[JohninAB]

Expensive is correct, especially when the one officer was a known “significant liability risk” in another department previously.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Unfortunately, being creative will cost the taxpayers millions this time.

What nowadays doesn’t cost taxpayers? Literally everything finds its way back into our pockets for a withdrawal

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

What nowadays doesn’t cost taxpayers? Literally everything finds its way back into our pockets for a withdrawal

Most mistakes don't cost millions, luckily this didn't happen in Canada, with the prisoner being a terrorist, who knows how much Trudeau would hand him/her.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have done way too many incident investigations to believe that would be accepted as the root cause. Arrests happen every day, people are placed in police vehicles every day, but , it is extremely rare, that the car with prisoner, is struck by a train.

Sure the train would not have struck the car if the person would not have been apprehended, but the actual cause was parking on active railway tracks, and that is why this will likely be settled out of court, rather than risk a lawsuit and trial.

The indirect cause of the incident is the crime committed that caused the police to arrest the individual. The direct cause is stopping on a live rail road crossing. Root Cause is driven from indirect causes.

Stupid people doing stupid stuff, win stupid prizes.

BW

[Talking moose]

Root cause shoot smaws…….
Agree that it is was it is with the vehicle ending up on the tracks.
However. Suspect was detained in the vehicle. That vehicle should of immediately been moved after the fact.
IT WAS PARKED ACROSS TRAIN TRACKS!!!!!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Root cause shoot smaws…….
Agree that it is was it is with the vehicle ending up on the tracks.
However. Suspect was detained in the vehicle. That vehicle should of immediately been moved after the fact.
IT WAS PARKED ACROSS TRAIN TRACKS!!!!!

Reckless Endangerment comes to mind.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Although a very poor choice to park there, the act of parking would not have happened if the apprehension was not required. Root cause is the crime. Poor choices were made in the situation but root cause goes back to the beginning. Just because things don’t normally go that way, doesn’t change root cause.

If somebody cuts off your catalytic converter and your car burns down in the shop getting repaired. The root cause is still the converter theft. The shop will cover your loss, and there possible mistakes, but it’s only there in the first place for one reason.

Placing blame for the car being hit by a train on the act of the crook committing a crime is ridiculous. That's like blaming the short life of a lightbulb for sticking your finger in the light socket. You can take precautions in any dangerous situation.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

Placing blame for the car being hit by a train on the act of the crook committing a crime is ridiculous. That's like blaming the short life of a lightbulb for sticking your finger in the light socket. You can take precautions in any dangerous situation.

You didn’t read what I said. I said poor decisions were made in the situation. And those actions need consequences. But the entire situation conspired from the criminal actions of another. That is the root cause. Would the officers have stopped on that track (no matter how crazy that was) if they weren’t pursuing this individual? No they wouldn’t have. That is the root cause.

[Phil McCracken]

Unfortunate series of circumstances...and I agree with the "Root Cause"...