interesting map of election results

[hogie]

Originally Posted by chuck

Scheer is great if you hate balanced budgets, and a robust economy.

Yes the balanced budget under the PPC was going to happen 2 years? I believe that's what he was pitching. I highly doubt that would have happened.

Biggest problem is the media buyout and unions backing the liberals. Scheer did well having those odds stacked him . Bernier never went after Trudeau in the debates only after Scheer. Bernier wasn't against Trudeau only mad cause he lost the leadership in CPC.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Nope. When someone says that the CPC is a socialist party that’s all that I need to know about where that person’s head is.

Hahah ain't that the truth

[CasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by chuck

Mistake one was Scheer over Bernier in the leadership race.

Bernier lost his own seat which he had held for 13 years in Beauce due to his viewpoints and public statements on climate change, immigration and mental illness. Not one PPC candidate was successful, this despite the fact that Quebecers are the most intolerant people in Canada, even his own people rejected him. If Bernier had won the CPC leadership Trudeau would have won another majority with perhaps even more seats than he won in 2015.

Brilliant!

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Hahah ain't that the truth

You read the comments afterwards made to Dave. I pose you all the same questions. Name a conservative value Scheer was running on. I think you guys are scared of just how socialist your lives are; and how much you enjoy it.

[CasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

You read the comments afterwards made to Dave. I pose you all the same questions. Name a conservative value Scheer was running on. I think you guys are scared of just how socialist your lives are; and how much you enjoy it.

* Support for the military
* Support for veterans
* Support for the oil and gas sector
* Support for smaller government
* Abolishment of the carbon tax
* Support for gun owners
* Support for hunters
* Support for youth sports

Did I mention support for hunters and gun owners?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by CasterBlaster

* Support for the military
* Support for veterans
* Support for the oil and gas sector
* Support for smaller government
* Abolishment of the carbon tax
* Support for gun owners
* Support for hunters
* Support for youth sports

Did I mention support for hunters and gun owners?

Socialist governments also support military. IE China and Russia
Socialist governments also support their veterans. IE Russia
Socialist governments also support O&G. IE Venezuela and Russia
The CPC is NOT in favour of smaller government in the least at least they did not campaign on it. But you would’ve been right had they.
Abolishing a carbon tax could’ve been construed as fiscally conservative but they were doing it to spend money in China and India to improve their emission standards. Something I support just FYI, but centrist at best not conservative.
No support for gun owners. By not confiscating our guns doesn’t make them pro-gun, they just aren’t anti-gun. Had they been pro gun Harper could’ve put it into our charter of rights.
Not sure what they are doing to support hunters. Tell me more please I may have missed this one. I anxiously await to hear about this.
Supporting youth sport clubs is most definitely a social ideal.

I am curious about this hunting thing, and the carbon tax arguably I could give you but there isn’t much there supporting conservatism.

Do you guys think anything you like is “conservative”?

Why do you think support of O&G, military, and veterans is a conservative ideal? It’s not an ideology it’s a position or policy. There is an important difference there right.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Socialist governments also support military. IE China and Russia
Socialist governments also support their veterans. IE Russia
Socialist governments also support O&G. IE Venezuela and Russia

Russia has a Republican form of government, China is Communist.....but hey!......Venezuela is socialist. Good for you, you got one right! :

Seriously, do you even know what socialism is or are you just repeating PPC rhetoric?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Russia has a Republican form of government, China is Communist.....but hey!......Venezuela is socialist. Good for you, you got one right! :

Seriously, do you even know what socialism is or are you just repeating PPC rhetoric?

Actually Russia is a democratic socialist government. They allow ownership of property for their citizens now and elected Putin. Venezuela’s is a true socialist government. You are right china is communist which is still basically a socialist construct. I felt that the comparison was close enough. I could have said socialist and communist, but didn’t want to muddy the waters.

You are still struggling with the basics of conservatism, try not to lecture me about what you think I do or don’t know, and imply I am regurgitating rhetoric.

Why haven’t you answered a single post I’ve made to you yet. Every low blow you have made to me personally I have had an answer to.

Come on Dave, do you have nothing of significance to say? I am at least putting out statements and you pick the fly crap out of the Pepper. Step up and make a comment showing how I’m wrong with solid info about how the CPC is the bastion of conservatism you espouse.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Max get his NEW job as a WALMART Greeter ? LOL RJ

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Russia has a Republican form of government, China is Communist.....but hey!......Venezuela is socialist. Good for you, you got one right! :

Seriously, do you even know what socialism is or are you just repeating PPC rhetoric?

The point of my quote was that supporting the listed item does not mean you are a conservative. Do you really want to start a second debate about socialism when you can’t even have a conversation about how conservative the CPC is?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by REMINGTON JIM

Max get his NEW job as a WALMART Greeter ? LOL RJ

That’s pretty funny, but don’t worry about Maxime he served long enough in politics that he was sent away with a golden handshake. Which speaks to the man. He’d rather stand up for his ideals instead of just going with the flow and collect wages like rest of the CPC.

[zabbo]

Sigh! Well, I tried?

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

That’s pretty funny, but don’t worry about Maxime he served long enough in politics that he was sent away with a golden handshake. Which speaks to the man. He’d rather stand up for his ideals instead of just going with the flow and collect wages like rest of the CPC.

You think that's why he started his own party? Because his ideals were so strong?

I'm going to go out on a pretty thick limb and say he did that because he lost the party lead position and immediately got a rash in his crotch.
Don't get me wrong, I would have rather he won over Scheer as leader of the Cons. (Poilievre would be better still)

What happened to Max though is what happens to many M.P.'s and M.L.A.'s, they think people are voting for them, and not the party.
Max thought wrong.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

You think that's why he started his own party? Because his ideals were so strong?

I'm going to go out on a pretty thick limb and say he did that because he lost the party lead position and immediately got a rash in his crotch.
Don't get me wrong, I would have rather he won over Scheer as leader of the Cons. (Poilievre would be better still)

What happened to Max though is what happens to many M.P.'s and M.L.A.'s, they think people are voting for them, and not the party.
Max thought wrong.

I agree with you 100%. You think he didn’t know that he would likely lose his job? Come on, you know he knew it was a risk. No doubt he may have gotten a rash but he didn’t immediately start the PPC. He kept pointing to problems (what he felt were problems) within the CPC until they reached an impasse. By this time his rash had likely cleared up. I can’t remember if he quit or was kicked out now? Regardless he could’ve just towed the party line and collected more money and more pension, but he didn’t. He struck out with his own beliefs. Risked it all, and obviously lost. His ideals would’ve appealed to most people but they never even looked at him because as you say, people vote by party alone. Sad really. A very good example of this was JWR and Jane Philpott. JWR just squeaked out the victory and Jane lost. Like you said people vote for the party.

Isn’t the advent of the political party the death of democracy?

[REMINGTON JIM]

Originally Posted by cbinthenorth

you think that's why he started his own party? Because his ideals were so strong?

I'm going to go out on a pretty thick limb and say he did that because he lost the party lead position and immediately got a rash in his crotch.
Don't get me wrong, i would have rather he won over scheer as leader of the cons. (poilievre would be better still)

what happened to max though is what happens to many m.p.'s and m.l.a.'s, they think people are voting for them, and not the party.
Max thought wrong.

exactly ! rj