I thought it was 5 cents a litre, now it's 7???

[Crankbait]

They said 3 billion of the 9 billion is earmarked towards carbon reduction projects. why not 9 billion as that's what is being collected from the tax? what is the other 6 billion going towards? general revenue? if that's the case then why not 2.33 cents per litre.

good for nenshi for pushing her;

Nenshi pushes for carbon tax rebate for municipalities

'On this particular matter, the mayor might be taking a slightly short-sighted approach,' says premier

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi argues it's not efficient for one level of government to tax another, and municipalities should get a rebate similar to what's done in B.C.

■ Alberta carbon tax could bring whopper of a bill to cities and towns
■ Alberta carbon tax one of largest 'unknowns' for Calgary budget, says city councillor

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi is brushing off accusations from Premier Rachel Notley that he's being "slightly short-sighted" when it comes to the impact the carbon tax will have on cities.

Speaking on CBC's The Homestretch Friday, Nenshi continued to criticize the NDP government for refusing to give municipalities a rebate on the tax.

"Bluntly, the government has not thought through the implications of the implementation of their levy — and they need to," he said.

The City of Calgary has been working to reduce its environmental footprint for years, but it will still feel the impact of the carbon tax, he said.

"So we're doing all the things that we were supposed to do, all the things that the carbon levy is supposed to provide incentives to do. Yet, we're being dinged, because we still have to run buses, and fire trucks, and police cars and garbage trucks."

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Alberta carbon tax could bring whopper of a bill to cities and towns


City of Calgary officials estimate it will cost $6 million more to fuel and power the city next year, which homeowners would pay for through property taxes.

Nenshi argues it's not efficient for one level of government to tax another and municipalities should get a rebate similar to what's done in B.C.

'Short-sighted approach'

Speaking to CBC Calgary News at Six Thursday, Notley said she doesn't believe Calgarians will be taxed twice.

Notley
Premier Rachel Notley said she doesn't believe Calgarians will be taxed twice. (CBC)

"When you look at the ways in which the levy monies will be recycled back into our economy, municipalities have tremendous opportunities to benefit from the levies and the fund that it creates," she said.

"I think perhaps on this particular matter, the mayor might be taking a slightly short-sighted approach," she continued.

​"All Albertans, whether municipalities, community groups, non-profits, individuals or businesses, need to take action to reduce their emissions. And the way to pay less is to emit less."

The province estimates the carbon tax will amount to roughly $470 in increased heating, electricity and transportation costs for an average household in 2018, assuming that household consumes the same amount of fossil fuels as it did in 2015.

Albertans are told to expect to pay an extra seven cents per litre for gasoline and $1.68/ GJ for natural gas by 2018.

[NaturalBornKilla]

You city turds are getting off lucky.

Our food producers are going to get hammered.

It's always nice when a tax hits poor people, we need to get some of our pogey money back. Enjoy the tickle you guys voted for it.

It's refreshing to see NDP central Er........oops......... AO start to catch up to the storm at hand.

[Crankbait]

You city turds are getting off lucky.

Not sure where that came from??? Nobody gets off lucky.

Our food producers are going to get hammered.

Everyone gets hammered!!!

It's always nice when a tax hits poor people, we need to get some of our pogey money back. Enjoy the tickle you guys voted for it.

Not sure your bent regarding poor people and I didn't vote for it/her.

It's refreshing to see NDP central Er........oops......... AO start to catch up to the storm at hand.

Once again, AO keeps on top of it all pretty good.

[260 Rem]

I paid 13c/l more Fri than I did on Monday.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

I paid 13c/l more Fri than I did on Monday.

Ooo, good one!
You must be a famous actor?
Thank you famous actor.

[Kim473]

And now it starts. Pay the carbon tax.
City pays carbon tax, city raises taxes to residents and so on down the line. I'm sure by the end of it all the average house hold will be paying $2000 per year or more, in the end it's the average joe that can't afford it and will get screwed and you will start seeing people loseing there homes and such.

If the Gov. was to tell all cities to syncronize 1/2 of the traffic lights, you would see that the average driver would save 5 mins off every average 15min trip and carbon emisions would drop by 5% from vehicals alone. Gas consumption would drop by at least 5% and thus prices would fall. Does'nt take a engineer to figure that one out. I'm sure there other ways that could save carbon foot prints without taxing the average person.
I have noticed that at 60km/hr my trucks computer says I burn 15 L/100km and at 70 it burns 13L/100km and at 80 it burns 12L/100km I'm sure most vehicals are simialar so change the speed limits as well.

We don't need a carbon tax period !

[jungleboy]

Between the carbon tax and the higher income tax bracket , minimum wage earners will be substantially worse off at $15 hr than they were at $10 Hr....if they have a job at all when the smoke clears

[Sundancefisher]

Please. Can I give some more Mam.

Oh I see. Your just going to keep taking till the end of your term.

[NaturalBornKilla]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Between the carbon tax and the higher income tax bracket , minimum wage earners will be substantially worse off at $15 hr than they were at $10 Hr....if they have a job at all when the smoke clears

Low income voters generally have less education and more desire to have access to other people's money, so they vote left.

It's good to see the left go after these low income people, it's time they started paying tax too. Socialist believe in equal misery for all.

[sjd]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Between the carbon tax and the higher income tax bracket , minimum wage earners will be substantially worse off at $15 hr than they were at $10 Hr....if they have a job at all when the smoke clears

Buddy you show your lack of understanding of the issues. Both of these statements are dead wrong. You only pay more tax on earnings in the highest bracket. No one loses money from a pay raise. And any family making less than 100k is going to get a check on January 1 to offset introduction on c-tax.

[coreya3212]

Originally Posted by sjd

And any family making less than 100k is going to get a check on January 1 to offset introduction on c-tax.

Hilarious post. Anyone who falls for the" you will get a cheque to cover the cost" line of BS is handicapped. Good one tho to start a Saturday...

[rugatika]

Yet another steal from the makers and give to the takers scam. Brought to you by your unfriendly neighbourhood socialists.

I love seeing my hard earned money being stolen from me to buy votes to support a loser ideology.

[sjd]

Hilarious. Now this thread can't decide if the c-tax is an unfair gift to low income earners (losers, takers, nice insults there. Do you have any losers and takers in your family who make less than 100k?) or an unfair burden on low income earners.

I'd say the only ideology on display is an unwillingness to consider mechanisms to reduce CO2 pollution.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by sjd

Hilarious. Now this thread can't decide if the c-tax is an unfair gift to low income earners (losers, takers, nice insults there. Do you have any losers and takers in your family who make less than 100k?) or an unfair burden on low income earners.

I'd say the only ideology on display is an unwillingness to consider mechanisms to reduce CO2 pollution.

CO2 isn't a pollutant it's an essential plant nutrient that if NOT available would result in the death of the planet. But that doesn't fit your narrative.

I'll make you a deal, you pay me $20/acre and I will use up your CO2, that should make you feel better.

[Newview01]

I'm starting to feel like we're looking at a lot more than just $2000 a year per family.

How the average Albertan / Canadian is falling for this tax is beyond me.

[Kim473]

Originally Posted by sjd

Buddy you show your lack of understanding of the issues. Both of these statements are dead wrong. You only pay more tax on earnings in the highest bracket. No one loses money from a pay raise. And any family making less than 100k is going to get a check on January 1 to offset introduction on c-tax.

Funny that you say anyone below 100k will get a rebate. Do you believe in fairy tales too ? I'm sure the feel good rebates will only add up to 10% of what you pay in , if not less.

I finally get a GST rebate this year as my income was only 20% of what I used to make. Boy do those few extra bucks pay some of my utillity bills. NOT !

Like I said, feel good rebate and it makes everything all better. NOT

[Y2K]

what will happen to farmers? lot of fuel used there

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Y2K

what will happen to farmers? lot of fuel used there

Rural people in general are going to get pounded, simply due to the fact that they drive more.

Farmers are still trying to figure it out, but it's going to be brutal.
We are price takers on the world stage so we can't raise our prices.
We pay freight on everything coming in or going out, that is going to be extremely costly.

Adding this tax to natgas is going to end the nitrogen fertilizer manufacturing in Canada, we will be forced to import from outside. I'm sure that will generate CO2 but at least the unemployed Canadians won't be making as much to compensate.
Running grain dryers and aeration is going to get even more costly, but that's OK small family business deserves to be punished for trying to grow quality food.

As far as I know the NDP have made farm fuel itself carbon tax free, so the stuff we use in our equipment won't get too much more expensive, the only carbon tax on it will be indirect taxes from manufacturing and transporting it.

We have outbuildings and waterers that need heat, lots of increases in costs there. The natgas portion of this tax is estimated to raise just my heating costs by over $2500/yr.

School buses will cost many more dollars to operate so land taxes should increase nicely. Heating and lighting the schools will become far more expensive. This portion will also harm urban school boards.

Oil companies shutting down and paying less tax to municipalities is a huge hit that is on the horizon, it hasn't hit home yet, but it's coming. The MD of Provost is expressing concerns over just one company that is in recievership, and there are lots more going that way.

California has a carbon tax on cattle, I'm sure our rural despising masters are looking hard at that option, there goes more of the beef industry.

Western Canadian farmers main competitors are the US, South America and Austrailia none of whom have carbon taxes, so our ability to compete with out her AG exporting nations will be severely hampered.

Just a few quick examples there are many more.

Thank you to all the people who don't think rural people shod be allowed to make a living!

Yup I'm bitter, just ask a few of the urban hunters who have called for permission to use my land for free this fall.

[sjd]

Originally Posted by Y2K

what will happen to farmers? lot of fuel used there

Full exemption for purple gas

[Y2K]

Originally Posted by sjd

Full exemption for purple gas

so no carbon tax on marked fuel

[tri777]

Originally Posted by Crankbait

"..Nenshi pushes for carbon tax rebate for municipalities..

then she followed up the above by saying:

"We shall call it
"trickling down your legs economics"