Illegally downloading movies? Beware!

[Sundancefisher]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/suprem...case-1.4093981

This is going to be a new revenue stream for internet companies. They can watch for unusual internet usage and get paid for tracking you down.

It is coming. Likely they have lists of people's IP addresses that were recovered from defunct illegal streaming sites.

Still believe in Canada streaming but not downloading is still in the legal gray area.

[artie]

That is why I would like to get rid of the internet. Next thing people will be charged for something they never used and will have to prove they never used the site.

[Imagehunter]

I'm surprised this isn't a bigger thing yet. In Europe it's way more strict, plenty of cases where people had/have to pay hundreds of Euros because their kids downloaded and shared music and movies, lots of lawyers specialized in that and send out hundreds of letters for music and film companies.
They break the copyrights, the companies send their lawyers, the internet providers provide the IP addresses and then the lawyers go in. Doesn't matter who it is, the user with the IP address has to pay, even if they have an unsecured wifi that enables others to go online through their connection.

[ReconWilly]

Your ENTIRE internet history is all logged and recorded...always has been.

I can't even be bothered to watch the feminist promoting white male hating diversity celebrating tv and hellywood movie's for the last couple of decades anyways...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TzfZU3ulOP0

[Twisted Canuck]

Financial Post had a good article on it as well, sent it to my kids and let them know who would be paying fines in our household if it came to that...

https://business.financialpost.com/t...rs-and-winning

[Drewski Canuck]

Alot of tracking relies on the IP Address being constant.

Most Virus software has VPN generators so there is no tracking, correct?

Off a phone I can see a real problem though.

All the same, things like Pirates Bay has been a thorn in the side for alot of the big movie studios with the critic's cut being available long before the movie release dates.

Drewski

[ChickakooKookoo]

Canada has been considered a haven for illegal downloading for quite a few years now. The US industry groups that represent hollywood have been trying to get Canada to change our laws to theirs for over a decade now.

This is nothing new, what's new is the US Industry groups now need to pay Rogers/Bell/Telus/etc for the work they put in to identify people downloading.

If you read about how these industry groups operate, they are essentially abusing the court system to find out who is doing this. Now the telecom companies will actually get paid when a court decides they have to provide information.

[ChickakooKookoo]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Most Virus software has VPN generators so there is no tracking, correct?


Drewski

Can't say I've ever seen an anti-virus program that comes with a free VPN. And these days, even a VPN doesn't hide you all that well. If you truly want to be anonymous you need to go with TOR.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by ChickakooKookoo

Can't say I've ever seen an anti-virus program that comes with a free VPN. And these days, even a VPN doesn't hide you all that well. If you truly want to be anonymous you need to go with TOR.

'BitDefender Total Security' comes with free VPN. I know this, because I have it.

But I have to admit, I hardly ever use it.

Selkirk

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/suprem...case-1.4093981

This is going to be a new revenue stream for internet companies. They can watch for unusual internet usage and get paid for tracking you down.

It is coming. Likely they have lists of people's IP addresses that were recovered from defunct illegal streaming sites.

Still believe in Canada streaming but not downloading is still in the legal gray area.

That’s not what this is about at all.

Rogers and the other ISPs were arguing that they should not bear the cost associated with complying with a court order that compels them to disclose subscriber information. They are not proactively reaching out to copyright holders to notify them of “unusual internet usage”

If anything, allowing them to charge the fees will make it less attractive to launch a ton of suits and only go after the big fish.

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by whiteout

That’s not what this is about at all.

Rogers and the other ISPs were arguing that they should not bear the cost associated with complying with a court order that compels them to disclose subscriber information. They are not proactively reaching out to copyright holders to notify them of “unusual internet usage”

If anything, allowing them to charge the fees will make it less attractive to launch a ton of suits and only go after the big fish.

Exactly. This is actually a win for the consumer.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by whiteout

That’s not what this is about at all.

Rogers and the other ISPs were arguing that they should not bear the cost associated with complying with a court order that compels them to disclose subscriber information. They are not proactively reaching out to copyright holders to notify them of “unusual internet usage”

If anything, allowing them to charge the fees will make it less attractive to launch a ton of suits and only go after the big fish.

I know they are not starting the action. My point is that now that they can get paid for helping track illegal downloaders down they are motivated as a business to do it.

It is all about making money and with all the supposed illegal downloading going on it could be a lucrative revenue stream. There could also be incentive to proactively help.

Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

Exactly. This is actually a win for the consumer.

If you look at the judgments...the civil cases are paying a lot of money back to the plaintiff on a PER incident...not a small lump sum fee.

From judgments they can pay an internet provider a pretty nice pile of cash and still come out ahead and severely punish the offenders/defendant.

[whiteout]

This might not put an end to specific, targeted suits, but it will impact the huge John Doe suits if the plaintiff is faced with $100 a pop to compel subscriber data.

The ISPs are of the opinion that it’s not their job to police copyright and that it’s the responsibility of the copyright holder. So unless that changes, you won’t see ISPs setting up dragnets in order to sell subscriber data on a proactive basis

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by whiteout

This might not put an end to specific, targeted suits, but it will impact the huge John Doe suits if the plaintiff is faced with $100 a pop to compel subscriber data.

The ISPs are of the opinion that it’s not their job to police copyright and that it’s the responsibility of the copyright holder. So unless that changes, you won’t see ISPs setting up dragnets in order to sell subscriber data on a proactive basis

In reading current legal discussions it could be minimum $5000 to ten or hundreds of thousands depending on how many were downloaded and if the defendent aided in transferring to others such in a torrent.

If chasing $5000 or $20,000 plus legal costs they can make it attractive to cooperate with service provders.

Apparently they do have lists. Statute of limitations is 2 years to file with the courts from the date they knew harmed about the download. So if Rogers provides a list the harmed party has 2 years.

Likely they will stagger their requests to nail as many as possible and get better at suing.

[RandyBoBandy]

I sure miss NAPSTER

[Bigrib]

Originally Posted by ChickakooKookoo

If you truly want to be anonymous you need to go with TOR.

almost anonymous i would say for just visiting websites ... you still can't download videos or music while on TOR and remain anonymous

[Don Andersen]

I can't help but wonder why stealing copyright material doesn't inflame people. After all, it is thievery, which if I get the tone from this forum right, should be punishable by death.


Don

[58thecat]

Big brother is always watching, always has been and always will, younthinkmyou got a leg up on themthey choose when to act and when not to but you are being tracked, watched etc think any different and well you are truly blessed in Your little secure world....

[Hunt4Ever]

If your name gets on the “LIST” you possibilty could be arrested/detained at the US border.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

I can't help but wonder why stealing copyright material doesn't inflame people. After all, it is thievery, which if I get the tone from this forum right, should be punishable by death.


Don

I've wondered this too. They scream like hell about the current rise in rural crimes and such, but see no harm in ripping off companies and people's who's livelyhood and existence (as a company) depends on the monies they get from the purchase of copywrite privileges.
They use the excuse that these are big companies making millions...but by that reasoning the rural dweller who is a good businessman and has made lots of money shouldn't care then if someone walks on his property and boosts his half ton.
And of course I know most here won't agree with what I say...because they are guilty of it.

[Trochu]

I don't believe I've ever downloaded a movie, and if I have, it was a long, long time ago. But regarding why people aren't up in arms and your truck analogy. Still wrong, but maybe think about it like someone stealing a chicken from a chicken farmer who has thousands of chickens and doesn't notice it gone, to possibly understand? Maybe, I don't know.

[Big Sky]

Maybe they view it as some people might look at stealing a loaf of bread from Loblaws/Superstore.

[hayseed]

I sincerely hope this doesn't apply to pornhub.....

[last minute]

I have to ask why would someone wont to is any movie really worth the trouble with that said why wouldn't rodgers etc put some kind of add on if you want to down load this movie etc you have to pay are they not that advanced

[Okotok]

Originally Posted by hayseed

I sincerely hope this doesn't apply to pornhub.....

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

I can't help but wonder why stealing copyright material doesn't inflame people. After all, it is thievery, which if I get the tone from this forum right, should be punishable by death.
Don

Theft is theft is theft ... no excuses.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Theft is theft is theft ... no excuses.

I totally agree Remember in the 70's and 80's you would have to buy an ENTIRE album to listen to 1 favourite song and side B was usually shyte KARMA

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

I totally agree Remember in the 70's and 80's you would have to buy an ENTIRE album to listen to 1 favourite song and side B was usually shyte KARMA

Someone held a gun to your head and made you buy it?

[srs123]

Get yourself a VPN

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

I sure miss NAPSTER

People sold these auto roll devices that you slipped in your card stuck it I. The slot and bam....1000 channels....just saying.....