Fake indigenous band?

[Tkiper]

The ability of some people to speak in regards to how various First Nations are organized and governed, despite having zero knowledge into the specific culture of that group is absolutely astounding.

Conflict between hereditary chiefs and elected band councils has been an ongoing issue since the crafting and implementation of the Indian Act and will continue to be an issue into the foreseeable future. The issue lies with the fact a democratically elected band council was an implementation of the Indian Act, and not actually requested (or quite clearly accepted) by First Nations groups across Canada.

Therefore what you end up with in some situations is what we have here in BC, where an elected band council supported by some members of a particular First Nation is at odds with the hereditary chiefs and their supporters of that same Nation. To further complicate the issue, it is widely accepted the elected band only has jurisdiction over the government assigned Reserve lands and not over the traditional and unceded lands of the Nation. While the elected band in this case may have given the go ahead for the pipeline to run through reserve land, they do not, in the eyes of much of the community, have the right to grant permission to the pipeline on traditional and unceded lands.

To further clarify what the term 'unceded' means as clearly there are some that do not understand it, I will present a simple scenario.

Imagine you owned a farm. it has been in your family for generations, since before your grandfather even and has the been the only source of making a living throughout that period. Suddenly one day the government decides to start settling people on your farm property. Naturally, you'd be against this and would likely raise your voice regarding the clearly illegal actions of the government. Now, in any fair society your voice would be heard and this matter would quickly be squashed by the courts. Imagine for a moment though, that the vast majority of society did not care, and refused to listen and the government went about settling your farm with people despite you never giving them permission to do so.

That exact situation is what is happening in BC and many other areas of the country. Human rights have finally grown to the point that people now realise how massively illegal the actions of previous governments were in regards to the First Nations of what has come to be known as Canada.

Now, I understand the need for economic projects in order to build and maintain the economic prosperity of Canadian's the entire country wide, however unfortunately for some and fortunate for others the way in which affairs have been handled in the past is finally coming due, no amount of belly aching on the internet is going to change that.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Tkiper

The ability of some people to speak in regards to how various First Nations are organized and governed, despite having zero knowledge into the specific culture of that group is absolutely astounding.

Conflict between hereditary chiefs and elected band councils has been an ongoing issue since the crafting and implementation of the Indian Act and will continue to be an issue into the foreseeable future. The issue lies with the fact a democratically elected band council was an implementation of the Indian Act, and not actually requested (or quite clearly accepted) by First Nations groups across Canada.

Therefore what you end up with in some situations is what we have here in BC, where an elected band council supported by some members of a particular First Nation is at odds with the hereditary chiefs and their supporters of that same Nation. To further complicate the issue, it is widely accepted the elected band only has jurisdiction over the government assigned Reserve lands and not over the traditional and unceded lands of the Nation. While the elected band in this case may have given the go ahead for the pipeline to run through reserve land, they do not, in the eyes of much of the community, have the right to grant permission to the pipeline on traditional and unceded lands.

To further clarify what the term 'unceded' means as clearly there are some that do not understand it, I will present a simple scenario.

Imagine you owned a farm. it has been in your family for generations, since before your grandfather even and has the been the only source of making a living throughout that period. Suddenly one day the government decides to start settling people on your farm property. Naturally, you'd be against this and would likely raise your voice regarding the clearly illegal actions of the government. Now, in any fair society your voice would be heard and this matter would quickly be squashed by the courts. Imagine for a moment though, that the vast majority of society did not care, and refused to listen and the government went about settling your farm with people despite you never giving them permission to do so.

That exact situation is what is happening in BC and many other areas of the country. Human rights have finally grown to the point that people now realise how massively illegal the actions of previous governments were in regards to the First Nations of what has come to be known as Canada.

Now, I understand the need for economic projects in order to build and maintain the economic prosperity of Canadian's the entire country wide, however unfortunately for some and fortunate for others the way in which affairs have been handled in the past is finally coming due, no amount of belly aching on the internet is going to change that.

Thank you for the explanation.

[BCSteel]

Originally Posted by Penner

Hardcore lefties = Greens or Hardcore righties = Rebel Media should all be gathered up and sent off to some island to be rid of in my opinion.

Originally Posted by EZM

Agreed.

We seem to have lost our ability to be reasonable, yet clear; accommodating without pandering; critical yet open; and we certainly don't seem to care about honesty, integrity as much as we once did as a society.

I'd say a small rocky island surrounded by hungry sharks.

Imagine being so brainwashed by the Liberal bribed media that you think that Rebel Media is "hardcore righties"

[BCSteel]

Originally Posted by Tkiper

To further clarify what the term 'unceded' means as clearly there are some that do not understand it, I will present a simple scenario.



Imagine you owned a farm. it has been in your family for generations, since before your grandfather even and has the been the only source of making a living throughout that period. Suddenly one day the government decides to start settling people on your farm property. Naturally, you'd be against this and would likely raise your voice regarding the clearly illegal actions of the government. Now, in any fair society your voice would be heard and this matter would quickly be squashed by the courts. Imagine for a moment though, that the vast majority of society did not care, and refused to listen and the government went about settling your farm with people despite you never giving them permission to do so.



That exact situation is what is happening in BC and many other areas of the country. Human rights have finally grown to the point that people now realise how massively illegal the actions of previous governments were in regards to the First Nations of what has come to be known as Canada.

Worst analogy ever.

If you own the farm you've paid for it through the legal means of acquisition and the government recognizes your right to said property. Exactly the same as treaty lands where various bands have recognized rights to the land.

Now if your farm was on crown land that you and you family did not own or have other permissions from the government to use, you have no claim to that land because it is crown owned land. The government does not need the permission of what are essentially squatters to do as they wish with their land. Just as hereditary chiefs laying claim to every square centimetre of Canadian soil as their own personal property and trying to forcibly evict anyone they do not personally approve of means nothing, because it's not their land, it's crown owned land at this point in time.

[Tkiper]

Originally Posted by BCSteel

Worst analogy ever.

If you own the farm you've paid for it through the legal means of acquisition and the government recognizes your right to said property. Exactly the same as treaty lands where various bands have recognized rights to the land.

Now if your farm was on crown land that you and you family did not own or have other permissions from the government to use, you have no claim to that land because it is crown owned land. The government does not need the permission of what are essentially squatters to do as they wish with their land. Just as hereditary chiefs laying claim to every square centimetre of Canadian soil as their own personal property and trying to forcibly evict anyone they do not personally approve of means nothing, because it's not their land, it's crown owned land at this point in time.

Crown land is an amalgamation of lands signed over through treaties with First Nations groups and the wrongful and illegal taking and settlement of First Nation's lands.

The term Unceded would indicate that such lands were not in fact signed over through treaty but were in fact, illegally settled. Your statement would only make sense of the aforementioned lands suddenly sprang into existence already owned by the Canadian Government when, factually and undeniably, they already made up the territories of these same groups we are now having issues with. Therefore my "worst analogy ever" stills stands. Lands that belonged to another group were illegally settled and taken over without due legal process, and we must now come to terms with the ramifications of such actions.

As others have posted, BC is in serious trouble right now as much of the land that makes up the province is considered unceded, and thus, technically and in the eyes of Canadian law (and lets face, basic human rights) still the possession of whatever First Nations group happened to reside there for generations.

[BCSteel]

Originally Posted by Tkiper

Crown land is an amalgamation of lands signed over through treaties with First Nations groups and the wrongful and illegal taking and settlement of First Nation's lands.



The term Unceded would indicate that such lands were not in fact signed over through treaty but were in fact, illegally settled. Your statement would only make sense of the aforementioned lands suddenly sprang into existence already owned by the Canadian Government when, factually and undeniably, they already made up the territories of these same groups we are now having issues with. Therefore my "worst analogy ever" stills stands. Lands that belonged to another group were illegally settled and taken over without due legal process, and we must now come to terms with the ramifications of such actions.



As others have posted, BC is in serious trouble right now as much of the land that makes up the province is considered unceded, and thus, technically and in the eyes of Canadian law (and lets face, basic human rights) still the possession of whatever First Nations group happened to reside there for generations.

Unceded land is the Indian way of having a temper tantrum because they were overtaken by a colonizing force. Literally every piece of land on earth is someone's unceded lands that were forcibly taken from them at some point in time.

But here we are, a weak nation openly promoting racial divide via a vast set of special laws giving preference to Indians and demanding the pound of flesh in penance from people who never had a hand in the forming of the country.

But hey, go ahead and keep that racism alive by pitting people who have never willfully done any wrong against the Indians who never owned the land to begin with.

[walking buffalo]

Good try Tkiper,

As we've seen, some here don't want to hear the truth.

---------

Twisted Canuck,

I'm not Indian or Treaty or Metis.
I'll claim having Indigenous rights, but that is another legal discussion.

All I'm trying to do is add some education, as knowledge often helps figure things out.

It doesn't matter what you want or think how the Hereditary Chiefdom system works, it is not up to you or Canada, it is up to these individual Nations.

-----

Marxman,

The courts reign in the Government.

Note that I wrote "from the perspective of the Hereditary Chiefs".
They claim that these unceded Lands have never been legitimately incorporated into Canada, and are thus still theirs.

So far, the courts are agreeing that much of BC is unceded.

While precedent is important in law, the law is "Alive" and we don't know how it will evolve.

To date, no First Nation has sued for true and full independence from Canada. All have made an agreemet to stay within Canada, such as the Inuit, etc.....

It is very possible that some First Nation will fight for true independence, a full and separate National identity.
If/when this happens, the world may very well side with the First Nation and force Canada to retreat no matter what the "Queen" desires.

[Habfan]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Good try Tkiper,

As we've seen, some here don't want to hear the truth.

---------

Twisted Canuck,

I'm not Indian or Treaty or Metis.
I'll claim having Indigenous rights, but that is another legal discussion.

All I'm trying to do is add some education, as knowledge often helps figure things out.

It doesn't matter what you want or think how the Hereditary Chiefdom system works, it is not up to you or Canada, it is up to these individual Nations.

-----

Marxman,

The courts reign in the Government.

Note that I wrote "from the perspective of the Hereditary Chiefs".
They claim that these unceded Lands have never been legitimately incorporated into Canada, and are thus still theirs.

So far, the courts are agreeing that much of BC is unceded.

While precedent is important in law, the law is "Alive" and we don't know how it will evolve.

To date, no First Nation has sued for true and full independence from Canada. All have made an agreemet to stay within Canada, such as the Inuit, etc.....

It is very possible that some First Nation will fight for true independence, a full and separate National identity.
If/when this happens, the world may very well side with the First Nation and force Canada to retreat no matter what the "Queen" desires.

Really ? Sue for True Independence ! Who is going to FUND this separate National Identity ??? How are the First Nations going to supply what is needed to support immigration in this country ? Welfare or other benefits that are payed by tax paying citizens. I’m all for this idea of True Independence from Canada.

[Ken07AOVette]

I will ask again...

so back on point here, couple questions-

regarding the video, what is he lying about? How do you know he is lying?

What exactly is he doing to cause all the emotional outbursts in AO?

Is this a fake ban paid to protest?

The guy and his sister are white and from Ontario, wth do they have to do with anything other than being paid to cause a stir?

What exactly is the issue here, I would think the video is on the side of pipelines, no?

[Drewski Canuck]

Therefore what you end up with in some situations is what we have here in BC, where an elected band council supported by " THE MAJORITY" of the members of a particular First Nation is at odds with the hereditary chiefs and their "MINORITY" supporters of that same Nation.

(There, fixed it for you Walking Buffalo and your Pseudonym)

And again, this is PRESENT DAY, and the Hereditary Chief story is a case of a First Nations Republic, against a Monarchy imposed by past "Kings" and "Queens".

Nowadays, people, including First Nations People, expect accountability from their Leaders. That is why they have elections. That is also why the sometimes Hereditary Chiefs are not Elected Hereditary Chiefs.

Why do you think these minority members did not get elected by their Constituents as the Elected Hereditary Chief? Was it that their views where not held by the Majority of the First Nations Membership?

So, given that they do not represent the Majority of the First Nation, Why do you think, that a Hereditary Chief should have the Jurisdiction ( basically the "right to speak") and bind the rest of the Majority First Nations Members, with their unsupported opposition?

Answer the Question Walking Buffalo.

Drewski

[marxman]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Good try Tkiper,

As we've seen, some here don't want to hear the truth.

---------

Twisted Canuck,



-----

Marxman,



So far, the courts are agreeing that much of BC is unceded.

While precedent is important in law, the law is "Alive" and we don't know how it will evolve.

To date, no First Nation has sued for true and full independence from Canada. All have made an agreemet to stay within Canada, such as the Inuit, etc.....

It is very possible that some First Nation will fight for true independence, a full and separate National identity.
If/when this happens, the world may very well side with the First Nation and force Canada to retreat no matter what the "Queen" desires.

Yes everyone knows much of B.C. is unceded but that doesn’t mean it’s up for soveriegnty negotiation. Our prime minister who has adopted undrip is in breach of it and so is the B.C. government who also adopted it and there’s nothing to say they hafta abide by it or that they didn’t endorse it in complete hypocrisy. The doctrine of discovery which is totally in breach of undrip hasn’t been repudiated by the federal government and you won’t see that from trudeau because it may have real consequences on the constitutionality of our sovereignty over all the present Canadian lands.nobody is going to force Canada on this issue. When people in the world are being driven from their homes and starving and killed and whatnot nobodies going to embargo Canada over this issue

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I will ask again...

so back on point here, couple questions-

regarding the video, what is he lying about? How do you know he is lying?

What exactly is he doing to cause all the emotional outbursts in AO?

Is this a fake ban paid to protest?

The guy and his sister are white and from Ontario, wth do they have to do with anything other than being paid to cause a stir?

What exactly is the issue here, I would think the video is on the side of pipelines, no?

In regards to my input on this thread, Rebel is lying in describing the Hereditary Chiefs and their tribe as a "Fake Indigenous Band, just a company". Rebel is either ignorant or lying about knowing that these Chiefs have legitimacy within their Nations and with their actions based on their position. Anyone with the Internet can learn that Rebel is wrong by doing a bit of homework and learn about First Nations Hereditary Chiefs.

As was explained several times here already, It is becoming accepted within Canadian law that elected Chiefs only have authority on Reserve and Treaty lands, and that Hereditary Chiefs may have authority on claimed unceded lands.

The emotions here seem to be coming from those that refuse to learn the current realities of Hereditary Chiefs and their potential authority.


It's irrelevant if these "White People" are Indigenous or not.
Rebel never claimed proof of these people's status, their just stirring the pot.

To me, the only issue is that Rebel is giving false information, likely on purpose to inflame emotions. I have no issue with the emotions, but I do have issue with the lies. You know aw well as any that having correct information is crucial to solving a problem.


FYI to all, There are other energy projects that are experiencing the flip side of this coin. Hereditary Chiefs are in Favour of the projects, and the Elected Chiefs are opposed....
I suppose those opposed to the concept of Herditary Chiefs in this case will also be opposed when they support energy projects....

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by marxman

Yes everyone knows much of B.C. is unceded but that doesn’t mean it’s up for soveriegnty negotiation. Our prime minister who has adopted undrip is in breach of it and so is the B.C. government who also adopted it and there’s nothing to say they hafta abide by it or that they didn’t endorse it in complete hypocrisy. The doctrine of discovery which is totally in breach of undrip hasn’t been repudiated by the federal government and you won’t see that from trudeau because it may have real consequences on the constitutionality of our sovereignty over all the present Canadian lands.nobody is going to force Canada on this issue. When people in the world are being driven from their homes and starving and killed and whatnot nobodies going to embargo Canada over this issue

I covered this with few words in an earlier post.

Many first Nations across Canada consider this to be a time of Cold War.
Heck, this is a common topic of internal First Nations meetings.
I had dinner with a War Chief just a little while ago.
If heels get dug in, the war will heat up.

This very well may turn into a situation where people die and are driven from their homes.

Will Canada go to war to put the Indians in "their place",
even though Canadian and International law shows that Canada does not have clear title to these lands, and that the First Nations might?
Or will Canada decide to retreat?

I know you are not too naïve to believe it couldn't happen here.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Therefore what you end up with in some situations is what we have here in BC, where an elected band council supported by " THE MAJORITY" of the members of a particular First Nation is at odds with the hereditary chiefs and their "MINORITY" supporters of that same Nation.

(There, fixed it for you Walking Buffalo and your Pseudonym)

And again, this is PRESENT DAY, and the Hereditary Chief story is a case of a First Nations Republic, against a Monarchy imposed by past "Kings" and "Queens".

Nowadays, people, including First Nations People, expect accountability from their Leaders. That is why they have elections. That is also why the sometimes Hereditary Chiefs are not Elected Hereditary Chiefs.

Why do you think these minority members did not get elected by their Constituents as the Elected Hereditary Chief? Was it that their views where not held by the Majority of the First Nations Membership?

So, given that they do not represent the Majority of the First Nation, Why do you think, that a Hereditary Chief should have the Jurisdiction ( basically the "right to speak") and bind the rest of the Majority First Nations Members, with their unsupported opposition?

Answer the Question Walking Buffalo.

Drewski

My opinion and thoughts of "why" is irrelevant.
It is the opinion of these Nations that matter.
I can't speak for them.
And throughout this thread, I haven't.
Not in favour nor against.

It is clear you do not understand the Clan structure of many of these Nations.
I can't offer you the time required to give more insight here.

I can tell you that the resurrection of Hereditary Chiefs is going to make for a whole new chapter of challenges between Canada, particularly BC, and many First Nations.
I definitely do not like that.
Which is why I determined to offer some knowledge,
hopefully for the better for All of Us.

-----

I missed what you "fixed". Probably for the better....
I've offer this knowledge here before and will do so again.
Walking Buffalo is a name earned and given to me by Elders and Chiefs in Ceremony.
I'm proud of it.

[dgl1948]

Walking Buffalo. Before European settlers arrived how did bands pick a chief? Was it someone who inherited that right threw family or some other means. ??? Did they claim the position through the use of force??

[trophybook]

Originally Posted by Tkiper

The ability of some people to speak in regards to how various First Nations are organized and governed, despite having zero knowledge into the specific culture of that group is absolutely astounding.

Conflict between hereditary chiefs and elected band councils has been an ongoing issue since the crafting and implementation of the Indian Act and will continue to be an issue into the foreseeable future. The issue lies with the fact a democratically elected band council was an implementation of the Indian Act, and not actually requested (or quite clearly accepted) by First Nations groups across Canada.

Therefore what you end up with in some situations is what we have here in BC, where an elected band council supported by some members of a particular First Nation is at odds with the hereditary chiefs and their supporters of that same Nation. To further complicate the issue, it is widely accepted the elected band only has jurisdiction over the government assigned Reserve lands and not over the traditional and unceded lands of the Nation. While the elected band in this case may have given the go ahead for the pipeline to run through reserve land, they do not, in the eyes of much of the community, have the right to grant permission to the pipeline on traditional and unceded lands.

To further clarify what the term 'unceded' means as clearly there are some that do not understand it, I will present a simple scenario.

Imagine you owned a farm. it has been in your family for generations, since before your grandfather even and has the been the only source of making a living throughout that period. Suddenly one day the government decides to start settling people on your farm property. Naturally, you'd be against this and would likely raise your voice regarding the clearly illegal actions of the government. Now, in any fair society your voice would be heard and this matter would quickly be squashed by the courts. Imagine for a moment though, that the vast majority of society did not care, and refused to listen and the government went about settling your farm with people despite you never giving them permission to do so.

That exact situation is what is happening in BC and many other areas of the country. Human rights have finally grown to the point that people now realise how massively illegal the actions of previous governments were in regards to the First Nations of what has come to be known as Canada.

Now, I understand the need for economic projects in order to build and maintain the economic prosperity of Canadian's the entire country wide, however unfortunately for some and fortunate for others the way in which affairs have been handled in the past is finally coming due, no amount of belly aching on the internet is going to change that.

Worked on tons of Indian reserves the only one with a brain is westbank first nation. Check out flying dust or red pheasant you people should be ashamed of the conditions you raise your children in. Wanna blame someone take a long hard look in the mirror.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Tkiper

Imagine you owned a farm. it has been in your family for generations, since before your grandfather even and has the been the only source of making a living throughout that period. Suddenly one day the government decides to start settling people on your farm property. Naturally, you'd be against this and would likely raise your voice regarding the clearly illegal actions of the government. Now, in any fair society your voice would be heard and this matter would quickly be squashed by the courts. Imagine for a moment though, that the vast majority of society did not care, and refused to listen and the government went about settling your farm with people despite you never giving them permission to do so.

That exact situation is what is happening in BC and many other areas of the country. Human rights have finally grown to the point that people now realise how massively illegal the actions of previous governments were in regards to the First Nations of what has come to be known as Canada.
.

The trouble is, FN is claiming right to every square inch of the land in canada. If you ask a 7 year old that has been talking to elders where his land is, he will say from the Atlantic to the Pacific and everything in between. It's all mine.

Human rights has not grown to the point, greed has.

Imagine its 1788 and you have a garden. Someone takes your garden. Now your great great great great grandkids have laid claim to all the land in Canada.

This makes sense how?

If you had a garden, you only had it until a stronger band came along and moved you off or into the ground.

The rosy picture of how wonderful life was before white men stole everything is a little more skewed with every generation.

[claystone]

Bin talking to a lot of FN 7 year olds have you?

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

The trouble is, FN is claiming right to every square inch of the land in canada. If you ask a 7 year old that has been talking to elders where his land is, he will say from the Atlantic to the Pacific and everything in between. It's all mine.

Human rights has not grown to the point, greed has.

Imagine its 1788 and you have a garden. Someone takes your garden. Now your great great great great grandkids have laid claim to all the land in Canada.

This makes sense how?

If you had a garden, you only had it until a stronger band came along and moved you off or into the ground.

The rosy picture of how wonderful life was before white men stole everything is a little more skewed with every generation.

May not have been "rosy" but good enough for our ancestors to stay here and not contemplate migrating to another country through free land grabs that were offered by governments back then.

The rhetoric regarding this and other subjects regarding Indigenous people continues to astound me. I posted an article earlier regarding one leader's position on this situation and the actions of the UN and all if not most refuse to acknowledge or even consider its merits and continue to focus on an article from a far right media source. Nothing wrong with "far right" if it gives balance to the "far left", to each their open but try to look at the broader picture...….it's a handful of people asserting what they believe is right, which is something we should all be allowed to do in a free and democratic society.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by claystone

Bin talking to a lot of FN 7 year olds have you?

Bin?

If you want to fight lets start with a proper sentence.

[35 whelen]

Exactly

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

May not have been "rosy" but good enough for our ancestors to stay here and not contemplate migrating to another country through free land grabs that were offered by governments back then.

I can remember reading of huge band wars that completely wiped out entire bands long before there were any European or English intervention. The did not have the chance to pack up and leave, they were killed by stronger people.

The numbers were staggering.

The picture we (are told to) see painted is a nice little family living beside the Battle River, fish hanging to dry, everything is wonderful.

There is no mention of the Huron being completely decimated by the Iroquois.

I don't see rosy at all. Maybe in the years before the bands found each other?

[Ken07AOVette]

Back to the point I was trying to get to:

If this is truly a FAKE INDEGENOUS BAND, are they there because they are being paid by huge companies (and Trudeau) to stop what will save western canada,

or

are they there because they want to get in line for billions of payoff dollars,

or

are they not a fake band, and want to save what they claim is their native land?

Not a simple question, and does anyone here really know the truth?

[Drewski Canuck]

Tkiper, Walking Moose, Talking Buffalo,

You still do not grasp the obvious about majority rule and the farce of Hereditary Chiefs in the modern age.

The so called Clan system is why the Rains and the Birds continue to take turns running Wabamun Lake Indian Reserve very poorly, with the odd interspersed "Clan Violence" mixed in between. Each Clan puts in its Council when it gets the change, and then mis manages the place to death to the point where the Lac St. Anne Fire Department refused to attend to a house fire because the contract had been unpaid for years. The Band Council of the time screamed to the media, and when it was disclosed that the Band had not paid its fire service contract, but had TAKEN THE FEDERAL MONEY FOR FIRE SERVICE PROTECTION, then the Council blamed the last Clan who was running the place so poorly.

Up at Assumption (Cheteh) the Seniantha clan has been delivering and being delivered the Clan violence experience for decades. Both sides up there have a habit of hit and run accidents on lone members of the other Clan walking on the highway.

Your so called Clan allegiance has always been a historic problem.

The year after Captain Cook sailed into Nootka Sound to discover the west coast of Canada, three other "Clans" ambushed the dominant Clan killing all but 23 members who were lucky enough to flee up to Gold River. By some historic accounts, the other Clans killed 1600 people over logs and salmon rivers.

When Cook returned, the so called Hereditary Chief had changed. So much for succession based on birth right. Succession was based on who was the most violent.

The Andrews Clan in Gold River who have a settled reserve beside Mutcha Bay, have been dealing with the Hereditary Chief problems for years. Go talk to Larry Andrews for a History Lesson and his opinion on Hereditary Chiefs. His Clan was the one that almost was wiped off the face of this earth.

So don't try to white wash these extortionists claiming to have the representation of the Majority of First Nations Members in the area. They do not represent the Majority. In fact, they have NO JURISDICTION at all.

These so called Hereditary Chiefs are nothing more than Opportunists who have been fabricated by a Multi National Non Governmental Organization to manipulate the Majority of the First Nations, for something that they do support.

Drewski

[Smoky buck]

it’s not a fake Indian band but a portion of the band that has splintered off in a way. This group is involved with paid protesters and part of the band is not happy about it. I would not call it a fake Indian band but instead a divided Indian band. I would not call them threatening drove past their camp to go fishing last year after the RCMP arrested protesters earlier over a blockade.

My opinion the Rebel is definitely being dramatic and just like all forms of media speaking half truths

I have friends and family in the area one actually is a FN member of the band in question but he is helping build the pipeline :sHa_sarcasticlol. I have not talk to them about this issue since the blockade has started again so there could be changes I don’t know

This is a prime example of why negotiations between FN and government are a mess. You can’t make agreements with people who lack proper structure in their leadership

[JD848]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

My opinion and thoughts of "why" is irrelevant.
It is the opinion of these Nations that matter.
I can't speak for them.
And throughout this thread, I haven't.
Not in favour nor against.

It is clear you do not understand the Clan structure of many of these Nations.
I can't offer you the time required to give more insight here.

I can tell you that the resurrection of Hereditary Chiefs is going to make for a whole new chapter of challenges between Canada, particularly BC, and many First Nations.
I definitely do not like that.
Which is why I determined to offer some knowledge,
hopefully for the better for All of Us.

-----

I missed what you "fixed". Probably for the better....
I've offer this knowledge here before and will do so again.
Walking Buffalo is a name earned and given to me by Elders and Chiefs in Ceremony.
I'm proud of it.

My name was given to me by my mother and not my internet handle,no elders or the mayor or no great ceremony even though she was FN'S ,she had 3 jobs and brought up 9 kids with no help from anyone except from my older brothers who sent home money to help her.If she went out shopping she was dressed like no one else,her hair had to be perfect and her clothing had to be very nice and looked good and yet everyone respected her even though she was FN's.

She was a very proud women who carved her own path in life and never used some card as a crutch to lean on to survive.She read the bible 4 nights a week for one hour at our local jail and fed the street people with whatever she could fix up,yet she didn't need some name from no elders to know her identity and what her purpose in life was and always knowing her creator created us all the same despite the color of our skin.

To talk of war or cold war towards others is a sign of dark heart lost trying to find a path that is right in front of them,we all believe in some sort of creator on every continent .So why waste this small journey in life so short and an a act of war shows bad intent and going after your enemy to sort out your lives which no war will accomplish.

Our creator gave us all a mind to think with and better our selves ,but extortion isn't something to be proud of by any one.Yes plenty of things went wrong hundreds of years ago,look at the jews yet there a very powerful and proud group of people and ask nothing from no one except to be left alone and do there lives and not look back or point fingers to those who harmed them for a very very long time,but yet they prosper.

Holding on to the past never lets you go forward ,if the whole planet did this where would we be? No one living in todays world is perfect just like it was 400 years ago and yet you speak that the first nations are digging in,try digging out maybe this will be the best approach in the eyes of your creator and not by extortion or a cold war against your country.

My goal in life is also irrelevant to others, but my intent is to help my family and live a clean and happy life.I have little education and my grammar is poor, but I ran my own corporation for over 3 decades ,it was far from perfect yet I hired anyone regardless of there color or there religious beliefs in there lives. I see very well what's ahead and saying BC or CANADA is screwed is being very naïve on the realities of life.

Cheers

JD

[sns2]

JD, there are a lot of fine people on this forum, but none any finer than you. I wish you lived in this area, as I am sure there are many who would love to go huntin or fishin with you.

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by JD848

My name was given to me by my mother and not my internet handle,no elders or the mayor or no great ceremony even though she was FN'S ,she had 3 jobs and brought up 9 kids with no help from anyone except from my older brothers who sent home money to help her.If she went out shopping she was dressed like no one else,her hair had to be perfect and her clothing had to be very nice and looked good and yet everyone respected her even though she was FN's.

She was a very proud women who carved her own path in life and never used some card as a crutch to lean on to survive.She read the bible 4 nights a week for one hour at our local jail and fed the street people with whatever she could fix up,yet she didn't need some name from no elders to know her identity and what her purpose in life was and always knowing her creator created us all the same despite the color of our skin.

To talk of war or cold war towards others is a sign of dark heart lost trying to find a path that is right in front of them,we all believe in some sort of creator on every continent .So why waste this small journey in life so short and an a act of war shows bad intent and going after your enemy to sort out your lives which no war will accomplish.

Our creator gave us all a mind to think with and better our selves ,but extortion isn't something to be proud of by any one.Yes plenty of things went wrong hundreds of years ago,look at the jews yet there a very powerful and proud group of people and ask nothing from no one except to be left alone and do there lives and not look back or point fingers to those who harmed them for a very very long time,but yet they prosper.

Holding on to the past never lets you go forward ,if the whole planet did this where would we be? No one living in todays world is perfect just like it was 400 years ago and yet you speak that the first nations are digging in,try digging out maybe this will be the best approach in the eyes of your creator and not by extortion or a cold war against your country.

My goal in life is also irrelevant to others, but my intent is to help my family and live a clean and happy life.I have little education and my grammar is poor, but I ran my own corporation for over 3 decades ,it was far from perfect yet I hired anyone regardless of there color or there religious beliefs in there lives. I see very well what's ahead and saying BC or CANADA is screwed is being very naïve on the realities of life.

Cheers

JD

I wholeheartedly agree with everything that you have said. If everyone could realize that we are all simply "people", and not "us" or "them" the world would be a much better place. Many people in the world have clearly learned nothing from history.

[Ken07AOVette]

Very well written Jd.

Why it will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes is bewildering.

[gunluvr]

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Holding on to the past never lets you go forward ,if the whole planet did this where would we be? No one living in todays world is perfect just like it was 400 years ago and yet you speak that the first nations are digging in,try digging out maybe this will be the best approach in the eyes of your creator and not by extortion or a cold war against your country.
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Wise words. Best in this whole thread.