Supreme Court unanimously dismisses B.C. appeal of Trans Mountain

[GMX]

Not sure what BC expected other than this ruling. Guess it’s just a delay tactic that only costs the Canadian economy unmeasurable amounts of money. Just call in the military if needed to secure the work sights and punch this pipeline through. Start at both sides and race to the middle with a big bonus for the winner.
With the state’s and china’s new trade deal were pumping more raw products down the line for pennies on the dollar. I believe I read China is going to buy somewhere between 53-54 billion worth of energy off of them. A large portion of that money should be flowing into Canada but no a small number of people want us living in third world conditions while other countries rape our resources for their benefit.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sporty

What infuriates me most about all of this is most of these people are not First Nations, they use First Nations to attempt to validate their opposition. They jump on the First Nation bandwagon and if anyone disagrees, they're labeled as racists or bigots. They're causing more disention between FN communities resulting in FN fighting each other and bringing out the angry reactions from non Indigenous towards FN.

BC isn't the only one guilty of enabling these fanatics, our "esteemed" PM and the virtous, keyboard social, media activists who are cheering them on are guilty as well. Meanwhile, all that is accomplished is people are angry, First Nation communites who signed agreements are being denied economic prosperity and our nation further divides.

Excellent post! This tactic is getting more and more common the people doing this, are even complaining to the UN, trying to make them believe that the first nations are all against the pipelines.

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Excellent post! This tactic is getting more and more common the people doing this, are even complaining to the UN, trying to make them believe that the first nations are all against the pipelines.

Don't even get me started on this latest round of UN nonsense. Demanding that Canada shuts down 3 major projects until FN consultation adequate, but they didn't bother to consult with FN's themselves. The irony in this is simply astounding.

More astounding is that these people in the UN have the gall to attempt to call out Canada.

Noureddine Amir a law professor from Algeria is the chairperson of nine United Nations committees on human rights.

And here is the situation in Algeria to this day:

"Despite constitutional amendments passed in 2016, Algerian authorities continued to resort to criminal prosecutions for peaceful speech, using articles in the penal code criminalizing “offending the president,” “insulting state officials,” and “denigrating Islam. An indefinite blanket ban on demonstrations in Algiers, the capital, imposed in 2001, is enforced with few exceptions. Perpetrators of torture, enforced disappearances, and extrajudicial executions during the internal strife of the 1990s enjoy impunity. The Algerian government blocks the registration of many Algerian nongovernmental organizations working on women’s, ethnic, and human rights, and has maintained its non-cooperation with several UN human rights experts and mechanisms."

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Excellent post! This tactic is getting more and more common the people doing this, are even complaining to the UN, trying to make them believe that the first nations are all against the pipelines.

It was refreshing to see BC FN's standing up to the UN, and calling out their bull**** for what it is!

First Nations chief blasts 'condescending' UN anti-racism directive that called for pipeline to be shut down
The chair of the committee admitted it did not study First Nations views toward the project, saying he 'did not know' that most communities supported it

https://nationalpost.com/news/first-...o-be-shut-down

And...

On the other hand you have this twisted sister (NDP obviously) scrambling for the limelight, and screaming that BC should ignore Canadian Law, and follow with whatever the UN directs. Oh, btw, she happens to be BC's human rights commissioner...

B.C.’s first Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender tweeted that Canada should ignore its own laws and obey a United Nations directive to end three resource development projects including the Trans Mountain pipeline.

https://tnc.news/2020/01/15/b-c-huma...own-pipelines/

And The Madness Continues...
Nog

[Big Grey Wolf]

GMX, just some clarity on China-Trump trade deal. China agreed to buy 52.4 billion barrels of bitumen oil over next two years.
-Them Americans Big Oil Co.s such as Exxon/Shell will buy more of our Western Select oil at $30/bbl, ship it to Texas on KXL pipeline.
-Then sell it to China at $60/bbl and deliver it by tankers.
-Trump will boast American self sufficient in Oil.
-Alberta will get almost no Royality as not much payed on $30 WCS oil.
-Small heavy oil producers will struggle and not be able to hire many Albertans.
When do we quit being a third world oil producer and finally build some of our own pipelines to get full value for our natural resources.

[GMX]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

GMX, just some clarity on China-Trump trade deal. China agreed to buy 52.4 billion barrels of bitumen oil over next two years.
-Them Americans Big Oil Co.s such as Exxon/Shell will buy more of our Western Select oil at $30/bbl, ship it to Texas on KXL pipeline.
-Then sell it to China at $60/bbl and deliver it by tankers.
-Trump will boast American self sufficient in Oil.
-Alberta will get almost no Royality as not much payed on $30 WCS oil.
-Small heavy oil producers will struggle and not be able to hire many Albertans.
When do we quit being a third world oil producer and finally build some of our own pipelines to get full value for our natural resources.

Yes sir I fully agree with what you are saying our country has had a habit of shooting itself repeatedly in the foot. We should be world leaders on so many fronts but seem content on going backwards.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

GMX, just some clarity on China-Trump trade deal. China agreed to buy 52.4 billion barrels of bitumen oil over next two years.
-Them Americans Big Oil Co.s such as Exxon/Shell will buy more of our Western Select oil at $30/bbl, ship it to Texas on KXL pipeline.
-Then sell it to China at $60/bbl and deliver it by tankers.
-Trump will boast American self sufficient in Oil.
-Alberta will get almost no Royality as not much payed on $30 WCS oil.
-Small heavy oil producers will struggle and not be able to hire many Albertans.
When do we quit being a third world oil producer and finally build some of our own pipelines to get full value for our natural resources.

Agreed - however, the US is a net producer of oil not a net importer, they can produce more than they can consume themselves, so in some ways, we are lucky to be "taken advantage of" right now …… ironically, if the US wasn't buying from us, who could/would? and at what price? clearing the tolling arrangements are designed so the middle man gets paid.

We are selling to the highest bidder, so trust me when I tell you if the US is buying at (use your example) @ $30/bbl I can GUARATEE you nobody has offered $31/bbl to us.

Having our own infrastructure (pipeline, refinery, etc...) capacity and capability certainly allows us the opportunity to participate in more markets directly, and as long as we can do it competitively, this will be a uptick for us in the Prairies and will serve to stabilize many businesses here.

The biggest impact globally impacting oil price is/was capacity/demand = price, but also having our closest geographical neighbor moving from a net importer, to a net exporter (through increases capacity over the last 10 years) has (is) what contributed to our oil sell price here.

If the US was still a net importer, that same $30bbl in your example would likely fetch $50bbl in a $60bbl market (at refinement costs are (were) $6-8/bbl at that time allowing the US market to see a net gain of 4%-8% on oil purchased form us vs. acquisition costs elsewhere).

[Big Grey Wolf]

Sorry EZM, the US does not produce more oil than they consume, the numbers are around 11 millon bbl/day, and consumption around 19 million barrels/day, not even close. They include our Alberta oil in their production as normally refer to North American production. However them Americans believe our oil is theirs and probably is, Big Oil controls our Alberta oil.