Now this is what i call a DISRUPTION!

[jednastka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ud-...ature=youtu.be


Your opinions?

[Ken07AOVette]

cliffnotes?

[Trochu]

I'm not going to sit there for 30 minutes and watch that.

Care to summarize?

[Selkirk]

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Reader's Digest version ❓

Selkirk

[Dewey Cox]

If you're going to post something, post something.
This is just spam.

[pikergolf]

jednastka, thanks for posting.

Ha ha, AO is not ready for this mans message, minds would be blown. I am trying to figure out how to get in on this new wave. In a nut shell he is saying gas powered vehicles are done like dirt, actually car ownership will be done, and a lot sooner than people would ever believe. Alberta's oil will not compete, and I would guess natural gas and other electric producing energy sources is where to invest.

I would guess a vehicle for hunting or even getting around in cold climates is going to cost as the world abandons oil based transportation.

Exciting times, and more than a little scary, especially as an Albertan.

Que the naysayers.

[Geraldsh]

I say NAY
There are more horses in Canada now than there were before the cars took over. Some still work for their oats and lots just stand around expecting free oats which they get because owners like them - the same will happen with cars.

[Whipper Billy]

Paperless office of the 80's still isn't here!

[V_1]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

jednastka, thanks for posting.

Ha ha, AO is not ready for this mans message, minds would be blown. I am trying to figure out how to get in on this new wave. In a nut shell he is saying gas powered vehicles are done .

Is our power grid ready? Especially residential?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by V_1

Is our power grid ready? Especially residential?

I don't know, do you?

[tri777]

Yuck, what an awful future where nobody owns nothing, what a sham the guy saying how much money
will be in your pockets, that so laughable. There will be all kinds of new expenses like road toll taxes etc.

[V_1]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

I don't know, do you?

It's been a long time since the school after which I went down a different career so I may be wrong but I dont think current grids can handle an ev in (nearly) every home charging. Judging by recent screams from AESO generation capacity is also not quite there.

And I don't thing many willingly will buy info "sharing" bs. I know how "communal" crap looks like first hand. Like crap.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by tri777

Yuck, what an awful future where nobody owns nothing, what a sham the guy saying how much money
will be in your pockets, that so laughable. There will be all kinds of new expenses like road toll taxes etc.

It's like the the early to mid 1900's, everyone was going to have so much time on their hands with the development of the new technologies.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by Whipper Billy

Paperless office of the 80's still isn't here!

So true ^, and a perfect analogy ❗ 👍

Beware the 'Predictors Of The Future'. Most of them end up being Totally Wrong.

Case in point ...
After all these many years of predictions (going all the way back to the 1950's) I Still don't have a flying car in my garage.





Go figure ❗

Selkirk

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

In a nut shell he is saying gas powered vehicles are done like dirt, actually car ownership will be done, and a lot sooner than people would ever believe.

I disagree, mainly with the "lot sooner" part. The electric car (EC) has been around since 1890. The first modern, mass produced EC, GM's EV1 with 1,045 sales, was first produced in 1996 and was followed up by the Tesla Roadster in 2008, 2,450 sales, and then the Leaf in 2010. We are currently in 2020 with approx. 2.2% of passenger vehicles sold being EV. 2.2% equates to approx. 1.9M vehicles. Thats alot. However, I don't think the change over will be incredibly rapid for the following reasons:

-Not everyone wants an EC;
-Some may want one, but can't afford one or it simply doesn't meet their transportation needs;
-Sales will drop off once subsidies are removed;
-F-Series, Ram, and Silverado are the top three selling vehicles in North America. In modern context, the EC has been mass produced since 1996, 24 years, and there is yet an electric truck on the road, let alone a credible electric truck;
-Even if demand continues at current pace, manufacturer's won't be able to produce them anyway. Currently, Ford, Ram, Jeep, Chevy, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and Toyota offer a combined 7 EC models and some of those offered are only available in select states;
-Their range and usability in a work capacity is a complete unknown, I see alot of trucks on the highways; and,
-Some argue that even if they do quickly become mainstream, the grid wouldn't support it anyway.

Guess that depends on what is considered "sooner" though. I can see electric cars being fairly common within the decade. Even in 10 years though, I think ICE vehicles will easily out number electric vehicles.

[drhu22]

Very interesting, and seems to make sense, though I think a lot of/most people would be against losing that kind of autonomy myself included.

[bdub]

Originally Posted by V_1

Is our power grid ready? Especially residential?

No. Not even close, the last cold snap proved that lol.

I haven’t bothered to watch the vid but assume that its about electric vehicles. I got to laugh when so many people think electric is the future. People forget electricity is not a power source. Its just a transfer mechanism. It comes from renewables, or fossil fuels or nuclear. Pick your poison.

[V_1]

Originally Posted by bdub

No. Not even close, the last cold snap proved that lol.

I haven’t bothered to watch the vid but assume that its about electric vehicles. I got to laugh when so many people think electric is the future. People forget electricity is not a power source. Its just a transfer mechanism. It comes from renewables, or fossil fuels or nuclear. Pick your poison.

It's sure the future but.... The convergence of technologies which brought us surge of computation capacities and mobile tech just it's not there yet for transportation.
Sure big cap grid batteries will flatten consumption peaks (potentially) but holy ***** we have no clue how to deal with their smaller siblings at the end of life which will eventually come; mining did not get much cleaner as well; consumer qualities of evs are (overall) POS (loss off autonomy of shared fleet, crapy range, and most importantly - recharge time( we can speed it up put this again produce load
peaks). Ev will have be as convenient as vehicles w/ice (with all their advantages of reliability etc) to enter steep part of S-curve.

And please enlighten me if Mr Seba is planning for Sun to increase output, because there is no other sensible reason to bring solar into this discussion. Never mind wind. None of which is viable if not subsidized and hardly will ever be.

Economy? Yah public transit is waaay cheaper but TaaS will have an added benefit of flexibility over public tarnsit, but still own ride will be around for a much longer while.

Peak of car sales can be attributed to the fact that after 2000 conventional vehicle durability improved significantly.

[bdub]

Originally Posted by V_1

It's sure the future but.... The convergence of technologies which brought us surge of computation capacities and mobile tech just it's not there yet for transportation.
Sure big cap grid batteries will flatten consumption peaks (potentially) but holy ***** we have no clue how to deal with their smaller siblings at the end of life which will eventually come; mining did not get much cleaner as well; consumer qualities of evs are (overall) POS (loss off autonomy of shared fleet, crapy range, and most importantly - recharge time( we can speed it up put this again produce load
peaks). Ev will have be as convenient as vehicles w/ice (with all their advantages of reliability etc) to enter steep part of S-curve.

And please enlighten me if Mr Seba is planning for Sun to increase output, because there is no other sensible reason to bring solar into this discussion. Never mind wind. None of which is viable if not subsidized and hardly will ever be.

Economy? Yah public transit is waaay cheaper but TaaS will have an added benefit of flexibility over public tarnsit, but still own ride will be around for a much longer while.

Peak of car sales can be attributed to the fact that after 2000 conventional vehicle durability improved significantly.

I'll have to watch the video and see what he's got to say. I can see the advantage of EV's in urban areas to reduce pollution, many cities are going in the direction with transit busses already. I just find the popular idea that electric will somehow save us from climate change a bit far fetched.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

I don't know, do you?

Not even remotely close.

[brslk]

Originally Posted by Whipper Billy

Paperless office of the 80's still isn't here!

Hahaha my wife and I were talking about that a few days ago. When she was working at the U of A in the 80's and everything was becoming computerized, all the tech nerds heralded it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. No more paper wasted! No more big filing cabinets required! Think of all the trees that will be saved!

It ended up using more paper than ever. Instead of a single document being passed around or shared, everyone was printing two or three of them for themselves, a couple to file away for future reference... etc...
Not even to mention all the office staff that would steal printer paper to take home.

She retired a few years ago and I was amazed at all the documents we went through before throwing them out.

Plus we figured that her office alone must have went through 50 printers in the time she was there. Plus all the ink...

[sdb8440]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

I don't know, do you?

The AESO knows and just last week they were advising people to cut back on their electricity usage as AB was facing brown/black outs. So clearly, we ain't ready.

[MegaHorn]

LOOLOLOL anyone who actually believes that propaganda is a Greta loving socialist.

My dad worked for AGT and Telus in the 60s/70s/80s and was part of digitizing their system.

Doesn't really mean anything anyway since Alberta is separating courtesy of #Wexit. All the *******es can leave

Originally Posted by brslk

Hahaha my wife and I were talking about that a few days ago. When she was working at the U of A in the 80's and everything was becoming computerized, all the tech nerds heralded it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. No more paper wasted! No more big filing cabinets required! Think of all the trees that will be saved!

It ended up using more paper than ever. Instead of a single document being passed around or shared, everyone was printing two or three of them for themselves, a couple to file away for future reference... etc...
Not even to mention all the office staff that would steal printer paper to take home.

She retired a few years ago and I was amazed at all the documents we went through before throwing them out.

Plus we figured that her office alone must have went through 50 printers in the time she was there. Plus all the ink...

^^^^Bang on Brother

[Grumpy Old Man]

This may be a lot truer than most want to admit. They have been playing for years and are very serious about autonomous haul trucks in the oil sands and its only time before they make our beloved F150 GMC and Dodges with Electric technology.

His timelines are in balance with history of tech advancement. This from an old school person here.

Only a matter of time. IMHO

[MegaHorn]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

This may be a lot truer than most want to admit. They have been playing for years and are very serious about autonomous haul trucks in the oil sands and its only time before they make our beloved F150 GMC and Dodges with Electric technology.

His timelines are in balance with history of tech advancement. This from an old school person here.

Only a matter of time. IMHO

with all due respect do you know anyone who works at the mines where they are experimenting here in Alberta or BC?

I do and we are at least 10 years away from being replaced.
This coming from a kid who made 10000s of dollars in the 90s burning CD's off napster, limewire, etc for fellow junior high kids, and now am an oilfield consultant.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

This may be a lot truer than most want to admit. They have been playing for years and are very serious about autonomous haul trucks in the oil sands and its only time before they make our beloved F150 GMC and Dodges with Electric technology.

His timelines are in balance with history of tech advancement. This from an old school person here.

Only a matter of time. IMHO

Its funny how you brought up the haul trucks. I was just talking about them with colleagues the other day. There is even an old thread on here that you could likely search. Probably 2 or 3 years old, I think it might be "autonomous haul trucks" It came around when Suncor announced that they had made that big purchase of autonomous-ready Komatsu trucks. In the article the CEO of Suncor states that they will not have operators running trucks by the end of the decade. I laughed. Many told me it was coming way quicker than I thought. I work in the industry and agree its coming, but the timeline was unrealistic. It was just fluff and bravado to absorb investment, just like I think most of what he says in the video is.

Well Jan 1 2020 was 3 weeks ago. Guess what Suncor still employ? If he came out today and said by the end of the decade Suncor won't have truck operators I would think that realistic.

EDIT: WOW!!! it was actually 5 years ago!

http://outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthrea...ght=autonomous

[6.5 shooter]

OHHHH come on you know everyone will have a current bush in their back yard.....by 2030.....

[NCC]

Last week when it was -40 and the wind quit blowing for three days, Alberta almost ran out of power.

EV’s are a great idea for city commuting, but we’ll need gas and diesel for rural traffic, farm and construction equipment, transport trucks, trains, ships, planes, etc for a long time.