Bernier and Scheer...neck and neck

[artie]

I thought you guys were talking about goalies. But I guess it is just like Joe who or Joe Clarke

[raab]

Well, the Conservative party might as well get used to the official opposition status. Scheer wont beat Trudeau in Eastern Canada.

[Newellknik]

I believe Rick Bell says it perfectly .


http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/05/27...e-over-mad-max

You have to appreciate that most Canadians do not possess the genius
Of AO board members nor the ability to decipher eastern Canadian idiocy.
I thought Harper was the best PM in my lifetime , so if this guys a little
Stevish ( Stephish) I m ok with that . I wouldn't worry about his social
leanings , not here in western Gomorah , where we just outlawed prayer
in three northern schools , shame I say .

[densa44]

First he is an RC same as JT so there is no advantage one way or the other. Speaks both languages well, and maybe best of all has a chance to appeal to young and new voters in the East. He already has all the voters here, so to grow he needs to appeal to new voters, youth and immigrants.

I don't see any reason why he can't be successful. In spite of what Rick Bell wrote, he doesn't need to appeal to bed rock conservatives he has to appeal to the new voters.

He doesn't seem to be bring any baggage with him either and that is a plus.

In the past, and I go back farther than most, the problem on the right has been internecine rivalries. Alberta being a case in point. If the Feds avoid that they may surprise their doubters.

As far as the government of JT is concerned, they have many advantages in an election, so over confidence must be avoided.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Newellknik

I believe Rick Bell says it perfectly .


http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/05/27...e-over-mad-max

You have to appreciate that most Canadians do not possess the genius
Of AO board members nor the ability to decipher eastern Canadian idiocy.
I thought Harper was the best PM in my lifetime , so if this guys a little
Stevish ( Stephish) I m ok with that . I wouldn't worry about his social
leanings , not here in western Gomorah , where we just outlawed prayer
in three northern schools , shame I say .

What did Rick Bell say? Probably the worst editorial I've read in a long time.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by MrLeahy

Yep we are pooched...Tru-doped and Nutley locked in for the next elections

This is the stuff, morning sickness is made of.

We get screwed and every morning are reminded to hurl.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

This is the stuff, morning sickness is made of.

We get screwed and every morning are reminded to hurl.

Maybe the ND's, Libs and Greens will be in power until the millennials get as old as the Cons are now.

[dgl1948]

I think this result has got the liberals in a bind. I am sure they were ready to hang Bernier with his stand on healthcare, market boards, equalization and his old girlfriend. They will uhh be uhh wondering uhhh to do now.

[Gray Wolf]

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The new face of the Conservative Party of Canada ^

The CPC just blew their big chance to right their ship, and beat the Libs in the next election. Among other negatives, Scheer is of the 'Religious Right', something that plays well in the US, but Not in 90% of Canada!

When the voting public get tired of the Libs, they won't turn to the Conservatives next time, they'll look to the NDP instead. I hope I'm wrong, but we may not see a Conservative government in Canada again until sometime around 2030.

Once again, the CPC has ended up being it's own worst enemy
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[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

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The new face of the Conservative Party of Canada ^

The CPC just blew their big chance to right their ship, and beat the Libs in the next election. Among other negatives, Scheer is of the 'Religious Right', something that plays well in the US, but Not in 90% of Canada!

When the voting public get tired of the Libs, they won't turn to the Conservatives next time, they'll look to the NDP instead. I hope I'm wrong, but we may not see a Conservative government in Canada again until sometime around 2030.

Once again, the CPC has ended up being it's own worst enemy
.

Sounds like you should be voting liberal anyways.

[3blade]

How...who....WHAT THE **** WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!

He's staked out his political turf by worrying about other people's crotches. Yeah, that's the pressing issue in Canadian politics. No friggen way this loser even gets close to challenging the turd. Clearly the Conservative party is hell-bent on suicide.

Who else would like to see Max lead a libertarian party?

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by 3blade

How...who....WHAT THE **** WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!

He's staked out his political turf by worrying about other people's crotches. Yeah, that's the pressing issue in Canadian politics. No friggen way this loser even gets close to challenging the turd. Clearly the Conservative party is hell-bent on suicide.

Who else would like to see Max lead a libertarian party?

How can Maxime lead a libertarian party if he was running on a platform that promotes unsustainable subsidies over profitable supply management?

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Sounds like you should be voting liberal anyways.

Your welcome to your little conclave of the Religious far right. You can have it!

[KGB]

I just watched Andrew's speech on Global. What can I say? What a great speech and what a classy guy! I hope he will be able to kick the Turd to the curb.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Newview01

How can Maxime lead a libertarian party if he was running on a platform that promotes unsustainable subsidies over profitable supply management?

Gotta love Conservatives, socialism is bad until it effects me! If you believe in an open market, there should be no cartels. That's the #1 reason Bernier didn't win, because of farmers in the supply management industries not wanting to compete and instead relying on government boards to control the output of food. These guys would make Stalin proud! And people wonder why young people dont vote for the Cons, because they're hypocritical.

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

I think this result has got the liberals in a bind. I am sure they were ready to hang Bernier with his stand on healthcare, market boards, equalization and his old girlfriend. They will uhh be uhh wondering uhhh to do now.

They'll just show that Scheer is incredibly socially conservative and that with him at the helm, women's/minority/transgender rights and abortion could all be reopened/ at risk. With his voting record as backup, it won't be hard to swing a lot of middle of the spectrum voters.

He could swear up and down that he won't touch those things, but he'd be facing an uphill battle with his past actions as public record.

[dgl1948]

Lets see.... Bernier was going to do away with market boards and equalization payments. Where are the vast majority of the market boards, in Ontario and Quebec. Where are the biggest equalization payments going.. Quebec and Ontario. Some how I do not think this would earn a lot of seats in the next election. Just maybe that is why Sheer got as many delegates from Quebec as he did. He also got the delegates from Bernier's riding in his camp.

[raab]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

Lets see.... Bernier was going to do away with market boards and equalization payments. Where are the vast majority of the market boards, in Ontario and Quebec. Where are the biggest equalization payments going.. Quebec and Ontario. Some how I do not think this would earn a lot of seats in the next election. Just maybe that is why Sheer got as many delegates from Quebec as he did. He also got the delegates from Bernier's riding in his camp.

A Conservative government should do away with those things. If you like them vote Liberal or NDP.

[CNP]

I suspect that conservatives amongst us are not Conservatives. Oh they like using the word, but don't know what it means. They like being on the right until someone shows up being more right or les right. They like financial conservatism but not social conservatism,,,,,,,,,,,,even though social conservatism is not at play and won't be to any great extent. I was as surprised as many to find that Andrew Scheer is our new leader, but I'm on board. In fact, I'm thinking he really is a good choice.

"Harper with a smile" and other juvenile chants are just that. And if you are a Conservative why wouldn't you be happy with a Harper with a smile (as a complement). If you're a conservative and didn't like Stephen Harper.................you never were a conservative.

Leave the guys faith out of political discourse, it's not relevant...........if it is, then what about our current PM flirting with Islam or any person (who should not be discriminated against as it is a constitutional right). Andrew Scheer appears to be all that he is.......................ambitious, family man that espouses the views of most of us.

[KGB]

Great short interview with Andrew.
https://youtu.be/TYpmg-uWyN4

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by KGB

Great short interview with Andrew.
https://youtu.be/TYpmg-uWyN4

Very good interview. He needs to find someone in the mainstream media that will lob soft balls at him.

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by raab

A Conservative government should do away with those things. If you like them vote Liberal or NDP.

Never said I liked them. But there are a lot of voters that do. That is why Bernier is not leading.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

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The new face of the Conservative Party of Canada ^

The CPC just blew their big chance to right their ship, and beat the Libs in the next election. Among other negatives, Scheer is of the 'Religious Right', something that plays well in the US, but Not in 90% of Canada!

When the voting public get tired of the Libs, they won't turn to the Conservatives next time, they'll look to the NDP instead. I hope I'm wrong, but we may not see a Conservative government in Canada again until sometime around 2030.

Once again, the CPC has ended up being it's own worst enemy
.

Now that's the kind face of a Saskatchewan Insurance Broker that would make me want to run out and and immediately buy a Saskatchewan Government Insurance policy for my truck from.

[Selkirk]

I didn't support Scheer (I am a Bernier fan), but maybe there's hope. Scheer has the rare quality of being a unifier. He's open to opinions he doesn't agree with, and wants to find common ground within the CPC.

And as an added bonus, he's well spoken and handles himself very well. Even with the likes of Mansbridge.
CBC/Youtube link ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxtwVXnk_Ac

Maybe this will all work out, afterall !

Selkirk

[raab]

Originally Posted by CNP

I suspect that conservatives amongst us are not Conservatives. Oh they like using the word, but don't know what it means. They like being on the right until someone shows up being more right or les right. They like financial conservatism but not social conservatism,,,,,,,,,,,,even though social conservatism is not at play and won't be to any great extent. I was as surprised as many to find that Andrew Scheer is our new leader, but I'm on board. In fact, I'm thinking he really is a good choice.

"Harper with a smile" and other juvenile chants are just that. And if you are a Conservative why wouldn't you be happy with a Harper with a smile (as a complement). If you're a conservative and didn't like Stephen Harper.................you never were a conservative.

Leave the guys faith out of political discourse, it's not relevant...........if it is, then what about our current PM flirting with Islam or any person (who should not be discriminated against as it is a constitutional right). Andrew Scheer appears to be all that he is.......................ambitious, family man that espouses the views of most of us.

How does Stephen Harper with a smile beat Trudeau?
When Harper himself couldnt do it despite the advantage of being in power? Hope you enjoy the Carbon tax, because the idiots in the CPC and a few infiltrators have just ensured another Trudeau government. Bernier was starting a movement much like what Trump did in the States. I dont see Scheer bringing the same energy and excitment to the party.

[hillbillyreefer]

A day later and all the coat hanger AO crowd can worry about is control over their vaginas.

Imagine if the media and AO railed against Muslims like they do Conservatives, you'd be labeled a bigot and run off the board. Everyone is entitled to their values in Canada we even allow convicted terrorists to keep their citizenship, but be a conservative and the view is you should be hung.

Have any of you literate geniuses read what Scheer has said on the topics you seem so worried about, or have you just gone full term, follow the herd moron?

[Okotokian]

Great.... A compromise "Anybody but Bernier" leader I've never heard of.... shades of Ed Stelmach.

And he's got less "real world" experience outside of Parliament than Trudeau had... sheesh

I'll vote for him and his party, but... nervous.

I don't have any real problems with his positions. He's quite conservative in terms of his personal beliefs, but I'll take him at his word that he would not see actually legislating on gay marriage, abortion, etc. Doesn't support legalizing MJ but sounds like he wouldn't reverse it if a legal industry had already been established around it.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

A day later and all the coat hanger AO crowd can worry about is control over their vaginas.

Imagine if the media and AO railed against Muslims like they do Conservatives, you'd be labeled a bigot and run off the board. Everyone is entitled to their values in Canada we even allow convicted terrorists to keep their citizenship, but be a conservative and the view is you should be hung.

Have any of you literate geniuses read what Scheer has said on the topics you seem so worried about, or have you just gone full term, follow the herd moron?

I barely care about his social conservative positions, as do most conservatives I suspect. What I do care about is his ability to convince at least part of the vast center of Canada that he doesn't have a "secret agenda" (I know he doesn't, and you know he doesn't, but that is what will be used against him).

I fully support him and hope he gets in. I just think the CPC has an uphill battle that they didn't need.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Imagine if the media and AO railed against Muslims like they do Conservatives,

LOL Are you serious? C'mon 'reefer, have you ever actually read this forum?

Muslims are a favourite target here, and the Conservatives (federally, WR provincially) are the only acceptable party that won't get you labeled with all kinds of derogatory descriptions.

That's like saying Fox News is biased against conservatives. LOL

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I barely care about his social conservative positions, as do most conservatives I suspect. What I do care about is his ability to convince at least part of the vast center of Canada that he doesn't have a "secret agenda" (I know he doesn't, and you know he doesn't, but that is what will be used against him).

I fully support him and hope he gets in. I just think the CPC has an uphill battle that they didn't need.

Well they made it incredibly hard for themselves. Literally can't even go after Trudeau now for being a drama teacher or snowboard instructor. What has Scheer done? Been nothing but a politician living off the public purse!

He's also a socialist backing the SM system that has us paying high prices for chicken, turkeys, eggs, and milk. Why do pork and cattle farmers have to suffer because of this small group? Chicken should be the cheapest meat available to consumers, instead a chicken breast costs more then a half decent cut of beef. My suggestions to consumers, we boycott these groups and support smaller farmers at local farmer's markets by purchasing our eggs and chickens there. These big cartels can **** off.