New info on Parkland shooting

[roper1]

By continuing to collect a paycheque, Peterson is agreeing to the SOP's. As far as Israel being right or wrong, he is very close to the situation, much closer to being 'boots on the ground'

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by roper1

By continuing to collect a paycheque, Peterson is agreeing to the SOP's. As far as Israel being right or wrong, he is very close to the situation, much closer to being 'boots on the ground'

Can you please explain to me what organization you were part of that told you because they paid you that you had to 100% of time follow sop irregardless of the dynamic situation with the possibility for loss of life in terms of people inside.

So what if he ran into the school and died instantly, there were 4 of them on the scene. That is a 25% loss to the force that was there to help. If they were cordoning the building that easily could of left an exit for the gunman or men to get away.

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[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Can you please explain to me what organization you were part of that told you because they paid you that you had to 100% of time follow sop irregardless of the dynamic situation with the possibility for loss of life in terms of people inside.

So what if he ran into the school and died instantly, there were 4 of them on the scene. That is a 25% loss to the force that was there to help. If they were cordoning the building that easily could of left an exit for the gunman or men to get away.

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And when I say loss of life I mean at the deputy's hand

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[ctd]

Originally Posted by roper1

Post #20 says he did not, his own boss said he did not follow his training

Again can you post a copy of the Policy Training and Procedures implemented by this Sheriffs Office.

That post #20 is a list of events. It says he followed policy based on outside shooter. Which there was confusion as to if the shooter was inside or outside.

I think his boss is unfit to lead his department, he thought he was going to get the whole incident behind him by making a scape goat. Take the heat off him and his lack of doing his job in dealing with some issues that arouse after the fact.
They have a few issues and lots of blame to go around
It will be very interesting as the court case against the Sheriffs Office goes ahead from the Officer under investigation. I think the smartest thing the Officer did was resign once he got suspended with out a independent review. That allows him to take legal action against the Sheriffs Office. Also sets the tone for discrimination.

Again can you provide a link to the Policy, training and procedures. It would be very interesting to see.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Can you please explain to me what organization you were part of that told you because they paid you that you had to 100% of time follow sop irregardless of the dynamic situation with the possibility for loss of life in terms of people inside.

So what if he ran into the school and died instantly, there were 4 of them on the scene. That is a 25% loss to the force that was there to help. If they were cordoning the building that easily could of left an exit for the gunman or men to get away.

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You could read their SOP, should help with what the process he was supposed to follow.

Israel politically astute enough to be elected, he might be very right. Seems as you say, he is a veteran politico, he isn't going to make the wrong call on Peterson to give his next challenger enough to dethrone him.

[wolf308]

Pr:@k should have went in .... period !

Sure handgun vs assault rifle .... so

Exp ( you would suppose with age and gun handling ) and element of surprise ( ish ) against a obviously troubled young man focused on gunning down helpless , wasn't like he's going up against a Vietnam vet or navy seals operator who's seen the shi! And still even if .... tie him up / pin down till back up arrives

My thoughts anyway....

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by roper1

You could read their SOP, should help with what the process he was supposed to follow.

Israel politically astute enough to be elected, he might be very right. Seems as you say, he is a veteran politico, he isn't going to make the wrong call on Peterson to give his next challenger enough to dethrone him.

Does the SOP say they have to be followed to a t at all times? Does that mean a senior officer is bound to having his hands tied irregardless of what his gut might tell him?

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[bobalong]

Originally Posted by wolf308

Pr:@k should have went in .... period !

Sure handgun vs assault rifle .... so

Exp ( you would suppose with age and gun handling ) and element of surprise ( ish ) against a obviously troubled young man focused on gunning down helpless , wasn't like he's going up against a Vietnam vet or navy seals operator who's seen the shi!

My thoughts anyway....

Some people are able to identify with a coward and can not understand how someone would put their life on the line for some else under any circumstance, and some are unable to identify with the actions of a coward......just the way it is.

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by wolf308

Pr:@k should have went in .... period !

Sure handgun vs assault rifle .... so

Exp ( you would suppose with age and gun handling ) and element of surprise ( ish ) against a obviously troubled young man focused on gunning down helpless , wasn't like he's going up against a Vietnam vet or navy seals operator who's seen the shi!

My thoughts anyway....

Lots of coalition boys would probably disagree with you, you think the insurgents recieve extensive training. In fact I have a good friend who left from Canada to his eastern European country of origin to join the war effort. His basic training was shooting a bridge 5 times and being pointed in the direction of the front lines with the words good luck. He made out well apparently.

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[roper1]

It appears to me his gut was telling him there was an active shooter in the school, and he was going to be in danger if he did anything other than stand beside his car. It seems you agree with me.

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Some people are able to identify with a coward and can not understand how someone would put their life on the line for some else under any circumstance, and some are unable to identify with the actions of a coward......just the way it is.

Listen bobalong, you have no right to call anyone a coward. Have you done anything heroic? Have you been in a situation si.ilar to the deputy where you were not a coward? Either you have and that's fine. If not dont pretend you know how you would react because I can guarantee you dont have clue.

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[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by roper1

It appears to me his gut was telling him there was an active shooter in the school, and he was going to be in danger if he did anything other than stand beside his car. It seems you agree with me.

Or maybe it was I dont know what I'm getting into and while running in might work at the same time it might not. Just because he didn't do what you think you would do does mean he was wrong.

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[bobalong]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Listen bobalong, you have no right to call anyone a coward. Have you done anything heroic? Have you been in a situation si.ilar to the deputy where you were not a coward? Either you have and that's fine. If not dont pretend you know how you would react because I can guarantee you dont have clue.

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Nothing similar so don't exactly know how I would react but if I acted like them then I would be a coward at least in that situation. Performed a couple of "saves" while life guarding at a lake but that hardly compares to an armed situation. Hardy heroic either but I had the training and was in a position to help and I did.

[wolf308]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Lots of coalition boys would probably disagree with you, you think the insurgents recieve extensive training. In fact I have a good friend who left from Canada to his eastern European country of origin to join the war effort. His basic training was shooting a bridge 5 times and being pointed in the direction of the front lines with the words good luck. He made out well apparently.

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Worked for Stalin

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by wolf308

Worked for Stalin

Stalin was the dictator of Ukraine?

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[wolf308]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Listen bobalong, you have no right to call anyone a coward. Have you done anything heroic? Have you been in a situation si.ilar to the deputy where you were not a coward? Either you have and that's fine. If not dont pretend you know how you would react because I can guarantee you dont have clue.

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Idt he was calling anyone a coward .... I was ....

[wolf308]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

Stalin was the dictator of Ukraine?

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Oh boy ,

Ya something like that

Insert Fry / with not sure if serious look

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Nothing similar so don't exactly know how I would react but if I acted like them then I would be a coward at least in that situation. Performed a couple of "saves" while life guarding at a lake but that hardly compares to an armed situation. Hardy heroic either but I had the training and was in a position to help and I did.

That's fine but how do you know what they did was cowardly. You dont think there might be lifeguards in various places in the world that have to make tough choices that involve lives. Imagine someone making a judgement call based on lifeguard knowledge only having someone who has only been in a hot tub to call him a coward from half the world away.

To be honest if the guy turns out to be a coward that's fine I will completely agree no problems, but obviously am not going to agree with it until proper knowledge of what his train of thought was that lead to his call or evidence that he was grossly wrong.

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[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by wolf308

Idt he was calling anyone a coward .... I was ....

Oh... well screw you then. Haha

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[roper1]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

To be honest if the guy turns out to be a coward that's fine I will completely agree no problems, but obviously am not going to agree with it until proper knowledge of what his train of thought was that lead to his call

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Come on man, what do you think he's going to say?? I was scared spitless so I listened for 7 minutes while the shots kept ringing out?

In his video'd address to the school board years earlier, he bragged how he jumped up, 'grabbed his gun' and ran to the school to confront thieves. Lucky him, they ran so he chased them.

[wolf308]

Wow. Lamo. That hurt.

So a deranged , frustrated , probably sexually frustrated , insecure pimply faced , obviously mental issues kid kills other kids that are unarmed , your armed , trained and supposed to be 1/2 competent,

Either A do what happened and do nothing

Or B , grow some balls and go into harms way .... idk if a 223 counts ( might need bandaids afterwords ) , to possibly save 1 life or more at expense of yours. Know what I'd do.

Shipping your pants or puking after the fact is not something to be embarrassed about

There's a reason he resigned after .... at least he did that.

No one says should have brought a boy to a man fight, he should have manned up and fought the odds of firepower .

[wolf308]

Originally Posted by roper1

Come on man, what do you think he's going to say?? I was scared spitless so I listened for 7 minutes while the shots kept ringing out?

In his video'd address to the school board years earlier, he bragged how he jumped up, 'grabbed his gun' and ran to the school to confront thieves. Lucky him, they ran so he chased them.

Was it 7 minutes ? Eesh.

7 minutes is a long time when time stands still

[brohymn2]

I fail to see what anything anyone is saying is proving how you are qualified to make an assumption of a person's cowardice. I'm not qualified as I have never been in his exact position but I do know enough to point out unless you are there you dont know anything

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[roper1]

Originally Posted by wolf308

Was it 7 minutes ?

One report says it was 4 minutes before backup arrived, then the shooting continued for 3 more minutes. They sat & listened that long, can you believe It??

Then's there's talk here the deputy's gonna sue?? LMAO


The Coral Springs dep't had very negative things to say, they were 'boots on the ground' and they rushed the school.

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by roper1

One report says it was 4 minutes before backup arrived, then the shooting continued for 3 more minutes. They sat & listened that long, can you believe It??

Then's there's talk here the deputy's gonna sue?? LMAO


The Coral Springs dep't had very negative things to say, they were 'boots on the ground' and they rushed the school.

But they are as you say boots on the ground... and cops... I'm guessing you are neither.

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[roper1]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

But they are as you say boots on the ground... and cops... I'm guessing you are neither.

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You might be one, but you've certainly mentioned you aren't the other. You weren't there but the LE guys that were there are very critical, and they either acted or explained why he should have. You keep chastising everyone not there, you weren't either, but the guys who were aren't sticking up for him. In your words, half a world away & making judgement........you just also happen to disagree with the boots on the ground, your supposed holy grail

[ctd]

Originally Posted by roper1

Come on man, what do you think he's going to say?? I was scared spitless so I listened for 7 minutes while the shots kept ringing out?

In his video'd address to the school board years earlier, he bragged how he jumped up, 'grabbed his gun' and ran to the school to confront thieves. Lucky him, they ran so he chased them.

Actually his story kinda seems like it follows along the line of the video they showed.

Again do you have a copy of the SOP, Policy. Procedures and the Training completed. Just wondering.

wolf308
Or B , grow some balls and go into harms way .... idk if a 223 counts ( might need bandaids afterwords )
I think this statement shows the amount of ignorance people have.


Please explain to me how do you respond to the direct threat when you DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE DIRECT THREAT IS. a Football field and a building three stories high is a pretty big area for a dozen Officers to search and engage the suspect. let along a single Officer.



The world is filled with poor leaders and bad bosses. The head Sheriff is a poor leader and a bad boss. He placed blame and did not stand up for his Men. Instead he placed blame before the smell of gun powder was out of the air.
He Convicted his Deputy before anything else was discussed.

I think the Deputy stated series of events is true and correct. I also believe he followed procedure based on a Outside shooter event. He with consultation from the Security Officer ordered for the school to be locked down.
The situation changed and more information came forward as it often does.
I also believe that he waited for SWAT or their Response team to show up as he was on scene and could open doors for them and direct them. Part of their Policy as stated by the Sheriff. that is in the transcripts.


If any of you can please relate to the actual Policy, Procedure, SOP and or training provided that would be awesome.

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by roper1

You might be one, but you've certainly mentioned you aren't the other. You weren't there but the LE guys that were there are very critical, and they either acted or explained why he should have. You keep chastising everyone not there, you weren't either, but the guys who were aren't sticking up for him. In your words, half a world away & making judgement........you just also happen to disagree with the boots on the ground, your supposed holy grail

You know this cool I guess. I can guarantee I have more than experience to understand the criticizing someone for a situation that is more extreme than anyone could fathom is stupid. But quote a bunch of posts I made to try to win this arguement. The fact that nothing outside of direct knowledge of the situation by a competent person, no one should be saying a cop is a coward

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[wolf308]

^^ Lol. Actually .... face palm , and he's calling me ignorant

Semi auto/ auto right ? Follow the gunshots , pretty easy.

Just a reference he didn't bring something deadlier aka a 7.62 round or such

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by wolf308

^^ Lol. Actually .... face palm , and he's calling me ignorant

Semi auto/ auto right ? Follow the gunshots , pretty easy.

So your have had to locate the position of gunfire. By yourself. For the means of effectively returning fire. Or in a building where the sound echoes off the wall. I'm very interested to hear where you learned this.

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