Markings for Importing

[SakoAlberta]

Does anybody know if the rules for marking imported firearms are coming soon?

From another BB(not my post):


Just today I became aware of a revision to Canadian law which will come into effect on Dec. 2nd, 2007. Don't know how many others are aware of this. The following data comes from an information letter put out by the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association.

Marking of Imported Firearms (Bill C-10A regulations)
3. (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
(2) subsection (1) does not apply to
(a) a firearm imported by an individual under sec. 35 or 35.1 of the Act.
(b) a specially imported firearm;
(c) a protected firearm;
(d) a firearm that was initially exported from Canada by an individual or business if the individual or business retained ownership of the firearm while the was outside Canada;
(e) a firearm that was initially exported from Canada by a public service agency and that was retained by that agency as an agency firearm while the firearm was outside Canada.

The memorandum then goes on to provide more details of the manner in which the markings must be applied, etc. The Association estimates the cost per gun to apply this information could be as much as $200 in the first 5 years, and documents the reasons why this is so.
The association also states that marking the guns up as proposed "will certainly invalidate the factory warranty, and repair costs will therefore fall upon the Canadian industry."

Another comment contained in the advisory stated "The effects on the Canada's firearms industry will be at very least, extremely expensive. At worst, this law could cause the catastrophic collapse of Canada's firearms importing industry. This is not overstating the issue."

In view of this everyone should be contacting their MP and expressing their opinion (outrage!) If your MP claims to be ignorant of this legislation ask them to immediately obtain copies of it for both themselves and for you.

The war of attrition goes on.

[Dick284]

Makes a feller wonder how much of the nice new stuff is gonna make it's way North in the not so distant future.
Yes letters have been sent BTW.
How bout the rest of the AO crew?

[SakoAlberta]

A reply from the NFA:


This refers to the UN Small Arms Marking Initiative, signed on to by Canada
due to the efforts of the former Liberal government.

The implementation date for this is December 1st 2007.

Canadian firearms organizations and the firearms industry have been lobbying
the government to delay the implementation date or modify the regulations.

While the government has indicated that it is favorable towards doing this,
there has still not been any official announcement in regards to changing or
delaying the marking regulations.

I suggest that you contact your MP, especially if Conservative, and the
following:


The Hon. Rob Nicholson
Minister of Justice / Attorney General of Canada
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
Telephone: (613) 995-1547
Fax: (613) 992-7910
_Nicholson.R@parl.gc.ca_ (mailto:Nicholson.R@parl.gc.ca)
The Hon. Stockwell Day
Minister of PUBLIC SAFETY
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
Telephone: (613) 995-1702
Fax: (613) 995-1154
_Day.S@parl.gc.ca_ (mailtoay.S@parl.gc.ca)
The Hon. Maxim Bernier
Minister of FOREIGN AFFAIRS
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
Telephone: (613) 992 - 8053
Fax: (613) 995 - 0687
Email: _Bernier.M@parl.gc.ca_ (mailto:Bernier.M@parl.gc.ca)
Blair Hagen
Vice President, Communications
National Firearms Association
_www.nfa.ca_ (http://www.nfa.ca)

[rugatika]

I'm sure it is good for us as it is being brought to us by the UN. The UN has our best interests at heart and we should follow whatever they tell us. To question the UN shows that you care not for your fellow global citizen. Now report to the Liberal HQ for reprogramming!!



I mentioned this on here a year or more ago.

[John Spartan]

Anyone know if this also applies to old antique guns? I hope not as their value would be considerably diminished if this were done.

[SakoAlberta]

I got a reply from Questar (who import as a business) and they have no info from the government so they are doing 'business as usual' but said they will attempt to contact the government again once Dec 1 arrives and they recieve a client's firearm.

[Dick284]

This is just in I copied it from CGN:
The Marking System has been POSTPONED until Dec. 1, 2009

Many thanks to Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and Prime Minister Stephen Harper for their clear understanding of this important issue.

Special thanks to John Mock of CSAAA/Stoeger Canada, Steve Torino of CSSA, Bob Nichols of R.Nichols Distributing, Daniel Legault of Browning Canada, Rick Patterson of SAAMI, Greg Thomas of Remington, Mark Barnes of Barnes and Associates, and of course, the members of Canadian Shooting Sports and Canadian GunNutz.

You all made a tremendous difference and it was a pleasure to work with all of you.

Tony Bernardo
Executive Director, CILA
Communications Director, CSAAA
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Become CSSA Members. We're stronger with you than without you.



Good news for a change.
Send a note of thanks to your CPC MP, and let them know why.

Just got this too....

Canadian Government Postpones Firearms Stamping
The government of Canada has announced its decision to defer the planned Firearms Marking Regulations until December 1, 2009. Originally slated to begin December 1 of this year, the regulations were postponed following strong opposition from members of the firearms industry, who pointed out the technical challenges and lack of real benefits. The new regulation would require all firearms manufactured in Canada, or being imported by Canada, to have the letters "CA" and the last two digits of the year of import stamped onto the barrel of the firearm. The government will take the next two years to do a full review of both the technical feasibility and the actual benefits of having such a regulation.

[honda450]

Another waste of time and money. But no doubt an impact that we should be aware of, and don't think that this will have no effect on you as a hunter.

[Dick284]

Too true Honda.
If this idiotic scheme went through you could expect the importation of new firearms from the States to dwindle to a dribble, and those Manufacturers who allowed the extra markings would charge a huge premium to have it done.
This sort of heavy handed lunacy from our Lefty leaning UN would effectively stale mate the importation of any new firearms and thus the begining of the end. Stay on top of this gang, show your appreciation to Harper and Co. but remind them just how fickle we as firearms owners can be.
Vigilance is of the up most importance.

[honda450]

Yeah Dick 284 its truly scary.

[TheClash]

hmm sounds like it is time to start stocking up!!!!!

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by TheClash

hmm sounds like it is time to start stocking up!!!!!

Wrong it's time to start waking up and letting the politicians know where you stand, and what you will or wont tollerate.

[Fixxer]

The only benefit to this would be in the middle east, not over here. Stupid UN. I could see using this law to see who is funneling arms to terrorists, but I'm sure they know already. I doubt countries would be stupid enough to give stamped arms to these countries and find some way around it anyway.

[rugatika]

Good work to all who sent letters etc.

Every time the Conservatives phoned me to ask for a donation I remind them that I want to see some more movement on gun registration etc before I cough up any more dough. Guess it's time for me to give them a little carrot for this move on their part.

[Unregistered user]

I send them $68 each time they do something good for gun owners and tell them why. It works out to about $15 after tax time.

[TheClash]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Wrong it's time to start waking up and letting the politicians know where you stand, and what you will or wont tollerate.

good point

[honda450]

Police ask Day to resist gun lobby on import policy

By: Patrick Brethour
Globe & Mail
November 27, 2007
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...TRICK+BRETHOUR
VANCOUVER -- Canada's police boards, police chiefs and rank-and-file officers are urging the federal Conservative government to ignore pressure from the gun lobby and put into effect new rules that will require the marking of all imported firearms.
In a letter to Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, the heads of the Canadian Police Association, Canadian Association of Police Boards and the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police outline their concerns about reports that the government may be about to postpone firearms-marking regulations coming into effect on Saturday.

Those rules will require companies importing firearms into Canada to stamp the country of origin on the weapons, a measure passed in 2004 by the previous Liberal government.
The Liberals delayed the implementation date once, and the three policing organizations are worried that a second postponement is in the works. "We understand that this is being considered at the urging of the firearms community, without the benefit of adequate consultation with law enforcement," the letter reads.
The three-page letter goes on to say that the firearms industry has not used its 20-month extension to take "adequate steps" to comply and is looking to undermine the new rules "through non-compliance and deferral."
The policing organizations say the firearms-marking rules could assist in answering a critical question in the fight against guns on Canadian streets - namely, where the weapons originate. "Over time, as the percentage of firearms in Canada bearing an import mark increases, it would help answer the question of whether firearms involved in Canadian crime are smuggled or diverted domestically."
None of the three organizations could be reached for additional comment yesterday.
The letter concludes with a statement that the Conservative government is committed to supporting law-enforcement officials in reducing firearms crime - and that backing away from the new firearms-marking regulations is inconsistent with that law-and-order agenda.
Mr. Day was not available for comment yesterday, but his office said in an e-mail that "every useful legal tool" is being made available to law-enforcement agencies to fight firearms smuggling, adding that the government has yet to decide how to proceed.
However, Gary Mauser, a former Simon Fraser University criminologist who sits on Mr. Day's firearms advisory committee, said he believes the minister will make an announcement shortly.
Mr. Mauser said he does not see the value in the firearms-marking regulations, since any import stamp will simply duplicate information already contained in the serial number. He said he believes the chief effect of the new rules will be to drive up the cost of imported firearms, and limit the availability of some models.
Liberal public safety critic Ujjal Dosanjh said the indications that the Conservatives will not put the firearms-marking legislation into force are yet another sign of the government's ideological agenda. "They are beholden to the firearms lobby," he said, adding that the government has already demonstrated this by failing to prosecute long-gun-registry violations.
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[Dick284]

Originally Posted by honda450

Liberal public safety critic Ujjal Dosanjh said the indications that the Conservatives will not put the firearms-marking legislation into force are yet another sign of the government's ideological agenda. "They are beholden to the firearms lobby," he said, adding that the government has already demonstrated this by failing to prosecute long-gun-registry violations.
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And the Lieberal ideological agenda was that of the Anti Gun Lobby!

Do I need to say more

How can their be any long-gun registry violations when we are in the middle of another year long ammnesty????

[honda450]

Kinda got a kick out of the fellows last name that is on Stockwell's advisory panel.