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Old 05-27-2017, 09:55 AM
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I have owned both calibers for a number of years in a couple different rifles. Both the 7-08's I have owned in two different makes of rifles were extremely fussy in what they would shoot. I know a lot of other people haven't experienced this, but I have.The 308's pretty much shot everything well or at worse about 2,5 inch groups at worst. The 7-08 I have now is about 3/4 inch groups to about 8 inch groups. 308 ammo is way cheaper to buy and easier to find if you don't reload. Reduced loads work fine in the 308. Myself personally would stick with the 308 between the two. Buying for a new shooter now though I would really consider a 6.5 caliber.
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:17 AM
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I have owned both calibers for a number of years in a couple different rifles. Both the 7-08's I have owned in two different makes of rifles were extremely fussy in what they would shoot. I know a lot of other people haven't experienced this, but I have.The 308's pretty much shot everything well or at worse about 2,5 inch groups at worst. The 7-08 I have now is about 3/4 inch groups to about 8 inch groups. 308 ammo is way cheaper to buy and easier to find if you don't reload. Reduced loads work fine in the 308. Myself personally would stick with the 308 between the two. Buying for a new shooter now though I would really consider a 6.5 caliber.
Oh they're fussy alright. What a load of hooey.

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Old 05-27-2017, 10:31 AM
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Oh they're fussy alright. What a load of hooey.

geez chuck, if those bullets aren't touching from your light weight hunting gun, how will you ever hit anything at 1400 metres?

that plate would be filled with game fired at right out 900m, i suspect your not wasting any more components on tuning that one😁👍
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:14 AM
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The funny part is, the load shot through it was for another rifle. I shot the top left shot, anjusted the friction adjustments on the old fixed M8, then sot the top right. I halved it and shot the left hole in the group then handed the rifle to my 13 year old son who shot the other two in the group. All off a pack and it was a 6.5lb Kimber Montana to boot. :-)
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:24 AM
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I don't mind the 308, but given the choice the 7-08 would always be my pick.
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:29 AM
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:58 AM
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And this means what ?? That a lot of post war rifles are still out there ? or that American hunters don't like metric calibers ? and are resistant to change ?.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:09 PM
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Just shows what ammo the market is buying. Consumer demand drives future supply. I'd love to see a Canadian breakdown. Im sure our numbers would be a bit different based on what guns are non-restricted. But either way, Canada is supplied a lot by what USA produces. Pretty interesting numbers.
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:03 PM
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Just shows what ammo the market is buying. Consumer demand drives future supply. I'd love to see a Canadian breakdown. Im sure our numbers would be a bit different based on what guns are non-restricted. But either way, Canada is supplied a lot by what USA produces. Pretty interesting numbers.
Those stats appear to be from sales data compiled by a blog site. I doubt very much if they reflect the national figures.
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:48 PM
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Those stats appear to be from sales data compiled by a blog site. I doubt very much if they reflect the national figures.
Hopefully someone could find more info to see what is a better reflection.... instead of just thoughtful speculation
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:19 PM
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Hopefully someone could find more info to see what is a better reflection.... instead of just thoughtful speculation
Here you go ... https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...ed-ammunition/
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:47 PM
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Thats cool! I am surprised that 300 win mag beat 7mm RM, and im surprised that both of those beat out 7.62x39! I would have guessed the opposite.... but 7.62x39 sales probably dont buy as much federal produced and buy more surplus.
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:10 PM
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I and many others on the board hunt moose, elk and deer with the 7-08 and in the right hands and the right bullet it will do what you want it to do..
that can be said for the 308 cal and many other cal


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Old 05-28-2017, 08:42 AM
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It sounds like the only advantage the 7-08 has over the .308 win is less recoil? Does the .308 win pack a bit more punch?
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:22 AM
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IMO ...Bullet selection with attention to purpose pretty much negates the "advantage" comparison, but the 308 will effectively handle a wider range of bullet weights/lengths. Longer/heavier 7mm bullets need to be seated deep in the case to fit magazines, and that takes up space that can be used for powder. Personally, I found bullets in the 120-140gr Range best for the 7, and those between 150-170 best in the 30.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:09 PM
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I think even the most seasoned vets on here would admit the 308 and the 270 comparison would result in the 308 having more ability to penetrate across the board as a general rule because of velocity. .

I'm a vet and I'd say NOPE.

To the OP's post....7mm-08 if recoil might be a factor. .308 if it's not.

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Old 05-28-2017, 01:13 PM
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It sounds like the only advantage the 7-08 has over the .308 win is less recoil? Does the .308 win pack a bit more punch?
Yes, in 7.5 lb rifles about 12 ft-lbs in a 7mm08 and about 15-16 in a 308. Neither particularly hard recoiling, but 7mm08 definitely easier on the shoulder. About 20% more recoil in a 30 cal to get the same trajectory.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifle...m_7mms_051711/

Don't get me wrong, 308 is a great cartridge. Within typical hunting distances of about 350 yds, would be very hard to differentiate between the two. However, the reason 223, 308, and 30-06 are so popular (still) is because of military adoption and the large number of rifles chambered for them in circulation. For hunting thin skin game, anything in the velocity and bullet weight envelope between 260 rem and 30-06 are more similar than different, but NOT the same.

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/7...beats-the-308/

Buzzword for the 7mm-08 would be efficient, and performs on game out of proportion to its recoil. I would say the 308 is slightly more versatile, and slightly more available, but for me the improved shot placement of a lighter recoiling rifle in a nicer weight to carry is the way to go for me. You could say 7mm08 is to 270 as 308 is to 30-06, most of the performance and a similar trajectory with a significant drop in recoil.

The only reason I don't own one is because I have a 243 and a 7mm RM. If I'd have found a Tikka Compact lite in 7mm08 I'd have it instead of the 243 though the 243 is better for a varmint and deer rifle IMO. I'm planning to start handloading this fall, and think a 140 gr at 2800 fps and a 160 gr at 2900 fps will pretty much have me covered for hunting anything I could anticipate going after. As I said above, I used a 7mm RM managed recoil Remington CL 140 on deer a couple of years ago and was very satisfied with the performance - identical velocity to a 7mm08.

7mm08 and 35 whelen are at the top of my personal list for cartridges I don't own but would like to some day. With 3 kids, I don't have time for more than 1 or 2 rifles these days anyhow.
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Old 05-28-2017, 06:34 PM
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that can be said for the 308 cal and many other cal


JUST LEARN TO SHOOT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU
Stop making so much sense. It'll confuse the masses and leave them NOTHING to argue about.
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Stop making so much sense. It'll confuse the masses and leave them NOTHING to argue about.
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