torqueless d loop

[backyard]

anyone use this any feed back is good

[Wesr]

if your talking about the P loop or catfish loop, ive never tried one but from the reading ive done they can take quite a bit or work to get set just right. lots of trial and error with different lengths

i like the idea of them, just too much work when my d loop doesnt give me any real problems.

any specific reasons your looking into this loop?

[Lefty-Canuck]

I think your release and anchor would have more cause for concern than the d-loop itself.

LC

[backyard]

just seeing if it would be worth trying ... I have lots of time to experiment

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

All we tie is a Torqueless D loop !!!

Oppisite tied knots counter torque!



Neil

[backyard]

what length do you make if you don't mind me asking L.O.S.T. Neil. Here's one I just did.... this is what im experimenting with

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by rpm360

what length do you make if you don't mind me asking L.O.S.T. Neil

When we tie in the loop we tie it with knots as tight as we can by hand loop close to string as possible...

We than have a loop plyiers made by Worlds Best strings...awesome ...puts 450 lbs pressure on loop ...it pre stretches that already pre stretched loop material to a perfect 1/2" loop ..super tight...

Best investment we ever made the pliers spaces loop perfect between knots and does it all without damage to string...no tools? you can tie in as described above and use a needle nose pliers and open until tight as possible with those...

http://worldsbeststrings.com/products2.html


Neil

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Ahh didnt see pic...I think we are talking about two different loops...

With that style string has to be removed for finish end...

Neil

[backyard]

i use the viper d loop pliers

[backyard]

Here's a pic attached to string.

[Lefty-Canuck]

How do you control "nock pinch"? Does the arrow nock below the brass nock?

LC

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

How do you control "nock pinch"? Does the arrow nock below the brass nock?

LC

Yes .....arrow below brass nock point,..... Loop below arrow...interesting but torque free?

Nock pinch is simply distance between loop and nock point...nock can still pop due to pinch with this system...

Neil

[MathewsArcher]

The torqueless loop has been around for quite some time and was brought to popularity by Clint Freeman of Australia back in 2005.

According to Clint:

Having a loop tied on above and below the nock such as the original d-loop, means eventually the knots try to meet each other in the middle or start to pinch the nock.....not a huge amount but the consistancy of each shoot will be less than having a single knot.

It shoots just like a rope release, but once again it is more consistant because it is locked into place. Something to try, those of you shooting with eliminator buttons and rope release...... try shooting 90mtrs with the eliminator button in its normal shooting position under the nock...then remove the button and shoot with rope right under the nock....you will notice your shafts going high.......... I have done this and with my bow speed, if my rope on the release happen to catch one serving thickness lower or if the eliminator starts to wear, then it results in high or low shots...and at 90mtrs it can mean big differences in score.

This system is more accurate, more consistant and more efficient than anything else out there......and being that there is less contact or less material hanging off the bow string, there would have to be some increase in bow speed also.

I am making them to suit lengths that are required for each individual and the are $8 each or 2 for $15...... just measure from the back side of the bow string to the inside of the loop and I can make to suit.

Seems like it is making a comeback as I've seen a few around lately.

[backyard]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

How do you control "nock pinch"? Does the arrow nock below the brass nock?

LC

so it would get tied in place under arrow and brass is on top.. from what i searched on line.. shot fine i will have to try it out on my own bow though

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by rpm360

so it would get tied in place under arrow and brass is on top.. from what i searched on line.. shot fine i will have to try it out on my own bow though

Up to last year I used to shoot off string inbetween two UCB buttons same principle... without loop...

The UCB button would be much better for your top nock instead of just brass nock...it would prevent pinch if loop moved and grip anock better to prevent popping off string on draw common with short ATA bows...



Neil

[Lefty-Canuck]

I still think If someone is generating any torque from their loop...they have other issues

Many top archers use a loop, and a release that the loop will twist when drawing and they have little to no adverse effects.

LC

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I still think If someone is generating any torque from their loop...they have other issues

Many top archers use a loop, and a release that the loop will twist when drawing and they have little to no adverse effects.

LC

agreed if loop is tied proper...if both knots are tied in same direction that can cause torque to pull side of knots!!!

Neil

[backyard]

some thing to try it gets boring at work some days.... lol

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by rpm360

some thing to try it gets boring at work some days.... lol

Fair enough, nothing wrong with trying new things....lord knows I have been known to do it!

LC

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

From Clint Freeman's statement...

Having a loop tied on above and below the nock such as the original d-loop, means eventually the knots try to meet each other in the middle or start to pinch the nock.....not a huge amount but the consistancy of each shoot will be less than having a single knot.

If a loop is tied and proper nocking pliers is used the nock point [and bottom knot] of loop should never move...

Taking into consideration loop knots are tied in oppisite directions of each other and serving is tight...

We can gat loops so tight the only way of removal is carefully cutting them off with a razor knife...

Neil

[backyard]

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow

From Clint Freeman's statement...



If a loop is tied and proper nocking pliers is used the nock point [and bottom knot] of loop should never move...

Taking into consideration loop knots are tied in oppisite directions of each other and serving is tight...

We can gat loops so tight the only way of removal is carefully cutting them off with a razor knife...

Neil

I was told not to over tighten the d-loop and it should only be snug and shooting it will get it as tight as it should be?


I will be giving the torqueless d loop a good once over tonight in Sherwood park, but so far it seem to have helped my shooting

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by rpm360

I was told not to over tighten the d-loop and it should only be snug and shooting it will get it as tight as it should be?


I will be giving the torqueless d loop a good once over tonight in Sherwood park, but so far it seem to have helped my shooting

An only snug D Loop will be guareenteed to stretch and creep considerably ...

Let us know how it goes...BTW I have lots of those UCB buttons if you want to try one...they come two per package...no charge!!

Neil

[backyard]

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow

An only snug D Loop will be guareenteed to stretch and creep considerably ...

Let us know how it goes...BTW I have lots of those UCB buttons if you want to try one...they come two per package...no charge!!

Neil

I just used the botton that comes on bowtech string ( I tied it in )

as for the ucb bottom sure I would try them... you want me to pm my address I take it

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by rpm360

I just used the botton that comes on bowtech string ( I tied it in )

as for the ucb bottom sure I would try them... you want me to pm my address I take it

Done...

The brass nocks were famous for pinch and scarring nocks...

Neil