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When you can't rebut the argument, attack the other side.
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Attack?!? Seems to me that he was just stating his impartial observations 
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11-14-2015, 07:54 PM
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Attack?!? Seems to me that he was just stating his impartial observations |
As do I, without personally attacking anyone.
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11-14-2015, 07:57 PM
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I cant believe what a moron Trudeau is, still going through with bring in these refugees after all that has happened. ( God Please Protect Innocent Canadians ).
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11-14-2015, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
That's my point, the left wants to ban gun ownership completely in the under the idea of if it saves one life. Law abiding gun owners answer that taking guns from them is not the answer.
Yet now some are wanting to deny legitimate refugees access because there may be a few bad actors among them.
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What evidence do you have that nobody else has that these are legitimate refugees?
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11-14-2015, 08:01 PM
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What evidence do you have that nobody else has that these are legitimate refugees?
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What proof is there that ALL 25000 are ISIS.
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11-14-2015, 08:03 PM
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Here's an epiphany
Ok first off... I'm dead set against this mass refugee bs coming into Canada by Christmas.. Especially when they can't process even our PAL applications within an 6-8 month plus period.. And we're law abiding citizens(for the most part  the successful ones that is...
But... When we look at the past immigration numbers it's baffling... We are actually making a big deal because the number is kind of astronomical as far as any bs deadline is concerned..and especially with where these refugees hail from.. Personally I'm all for protecting them in camps not far from the country of origin.. Overwhelming the enemy with international forces working together(ww3) and returning the refugees to their homeland.. And what the hell.. Internationally help em rebuild.. THEIR homeland.
What astounds me is..
Ask year we brought in 260,000 immigrants (not refugees) which makes that an average of what 21,666 ish per month?!?!!!!
Wot!
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11-14-2015, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
What proof is there that ALL 25000 are ISIS.
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I did not claim they were. Answer the question.
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11-14-2015, 08:05 PM
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The BS brought upon the hustings about "refugees" has come full circle.
Oh the poor lil kid who died whilst trying to illegally immigrate to a country and jump the line....and then suddenly it is an ELECTION issue in Canada....with the bleeding heart Liberals saying they would admit the most "refugees" and all of the masses feeling so guilty about how good they have it in Canada so why not bring in those "refugees".They are not "refugees" they are "economic migrants" and mixed among them are terrorists whose only goal is to inflict harm and hardship on Canadians.
25,000 by the end of December....with jack squat with regards to background screening etc.
I hope this lands at Trudeau's door quite literally as in a bunch of terrorists let into Canada and financed via the "refugee resettlement" storming his residence whilst yelling "glory for allah"
FTH
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11-14-2015, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvercreek
I did not claim they were. Answer the question.
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It is up to the people who want to stop them to prove they are a danger.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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11-14-2015, 08:17 PM
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11-14-2015, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
It is up to the people who want to stop them to prove they are a danger.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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No, it is up to the government in power to prove they are not a danger. Logistically this is impossible within the given time frame.
You still have not answered the question re: how do you know they are legitimate?
Are you just trolling?
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11-14-2015, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvercreek
No, it is up to the government in power to prove they are not a danger. Logistically this is impossible within the given time frame.
You still have not answered the question re: how do you know they are legitimate?
Are you just trolling?
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I know they are legitimate until I see proof they are not.
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11-14-2015, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
I know they are legitimate until I see proof they are not.
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So you know nothing. Goodbye.
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11-14-2015, 08:28 PM
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Im attacking you... GET IT your aleech trolling Funb aas900!!! Go back to your University
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11-14-2015, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
I know they are legitimate until I see proof they are not.
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Given the events of the last day it is fair to say that the evidence of illegitimacy can be a burden.
Europe, as well as North America, has a long history of assimilating migrants and refugees from around the world, sometimes in emergency situations. Britain accepted thousands of refugees fleeing the Nazi's during WWII and the same concerns were in play. IMO what this comes down to is the heart of the question originally asked by the OP. What is the price Canadians are prepared to pay to help the refugees? What makes it more difficult is that the price is largely unknown and that lack of clarity feeds the fear.
So what do we do? Turn our backs or jump in and help? Will it cost some Canadian lives - possibly, perhaps probably. Is the decision to help at home any different than asking those that serve in our armed forces to take an even greater risk. Are we up to the task? I would say yes. I would also like to believe that all our lives are worth sacrificing because that's what Canadian's do, that's what we stand for. Somebody has to be the stake in the ground. I'm proud that it could be Canada and I am Canadian.
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11-14-2015, 08:46 PM
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What proof is there that ALL 25000 are ISIS.
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So if 200 Canadians are killed from 25k immigrants that's worth it to you?
Good odds?
Zero is acceptable.
But you don't get zero with these processesing times.
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It is up to the people who want to stop them to prove they are a danger.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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They do not have the same rights that Canadian citizens do until they are granted to them.
Right now, they have no rights whatsoever here or to enter here.
End of argument.
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11-14-2015, 08:56 PM
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In my opinion, immigration in to countries like Canada should be tightened in light of what has happened overseas. To not do this would be unwise and ludicrous.
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11-14-2015, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by brslk
They do not have the same rights that Canadian citizens do until they are granted to them.
Right now, they have no rights whatsoever here or to enter here.
End of argument.
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Ever heard of human rights?
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11-14-2015, 09:08 PM
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In my opinion, immigration in to countries like Canada should be tightened in light of what has happened overseas. To not do this would be unwise and ludicrous.
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With a handle of "Britman" one could reasonably guess that you are an import yourself? For all we know you are subjecting Canadians to your god-awful diet and unhealthy habits. I reckon my old FnC shop in Teesside killed 200 poor suckers a week.
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11-14-2015, 09:11 PM
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I was willing to be open minded about the refugees, but it's too many too fast. What concerns me is Trudeau made a mistake and is not willing to change his mind. I don't even know if delaying the immigration of these people would even upset alot of Liberals. He could back peddle and all the starry eyed Trudeaumaniacs would still be putty in his hand. It's a time to be definitive and strong, and this guy has got the spine of a jellyfish.
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As do I, without personally attacking anyone.
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Yes, you are much better at staying in bounds this second tour of AO
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11-14-2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
What proof is there that ALL 25000 are ISIS.
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What proof is there that NONE of the 25,000 are ISIS?
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It is up to the people who want to stop them to prove they are a danger.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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Wrong, Canada does not owe these people anything. However Canada does owe it's tax paying citizens safety, and if even one of these so called refugees is actually a terrorist, it is our governments responsibility to protect us from that terrorist. So if our government can't assure us that none of these people are terrorists, then they shouldn't allow them to enter our country.
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They do not have the same rights that Canadian citizens do until they are granted to them.
Right now, they have no rights whatsoever here or to enter here.
End of argument.
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Exactly!
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Right or wrong what could happen in France is that after enough attacks take place everyone belonging to one race or ethnic background will become the enemy, good or bad and it could get very ugly. No reason it can't happen in Canada either. Sure it's speculation but I believe the writing is on the wall. Wait till a bunch get blown in Canada. Just wait, it will happen. The question is when, where and by who?
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Originally Posted by coastalhunter
So if 200 Canadians are killed from 25k immigrants that's worth it to you?
Good odds?
Zero is acceptable.
But you don't get zero with these processesing times.
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I don't want to see anyone killed.
I also don't think decisions should be made based on fear and emotion.
As a gun owner, how many cops need to be shot before you will give up your guns?
Should all guns be confiscated to ensure no cops are shot?
Does the long process time for a gun license prevent cops from being shot?
Should gun laws be based on fear and emotion?
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11-14-2015, 09:31 PM
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I also don't think decisions should be made based on fear and emotion.
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And emotion, as in feeling sorry for them, is exactly why some people want to let these so called refugees enter our country. If we do need immigrants in this country, then let's put all emotion aside, and carefully screen potential immigrants, and then accept the ones that will benefit our country, without presenting a possible security threat.
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
I don't want to see anyone killed.
I also don't think decisions should be made based on fear and emotion.
As a gun owner, how many cops need to be shot before you will give up your guns?
Should all guns be confiscated to ensure no cops are shot?
Does the long process time for a gun license prevent cops from being shot?
Should gun laws be based on fear and emotion?
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Why do you insist on using guns and licensing and confiscated as your platform here...I'd say 25 tho of refugees is a totally different conversation that what you are trying to have...just saying maybe it's past your bedtime!!
Zip 
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As do I, without personally attacking anyone.
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Yes, you are much better at staying in bounds this second tour of AO
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Yes it wasn't hard to figure out who ImpartialObserver is...He has over 360 posts since Sept...
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11-14-2015, 09:40 PM
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Yes, you are much better at staying in bounds this second tour of AO
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Only second?
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Why do you insist on using guns and licensing and confiscated as your platform here...I'd say 25 tho of refugees is a totally different conversation that what you are trying to have...just saying maybe it's past your bedtime!!
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Because both arguments are based on fear and emotion.
Anti gunners feel that gun ownership causes gun crime and lump all gun owners together. Their solution is to ban gun ownership because it will save lives.
Some here are lumping all refugees in with terrorists and want to deny them entry under the guise that it will save lives.
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