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Obama's Trade Deal Will Bankrupt Canada's Farming Industry "Overnight", Expert Says
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...ht-expert-says
Overnight if we were to eliminate tariffs on imports, we would likely see the dairy sector in Canada, and perhaps the poultry and egg sectors, collapse overnight."
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11-10-2015, 07:17 AM
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That's certainly not true, fear mongering a little.
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11-10-2015, 07:20 AM
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What the heck is this ttp everyone's talking about ?
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11-10-2015, 07:30 AM
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Don't you think its kind of insulting to say that dairy farmers are too useless to stay in business without government help?
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11-10-2015, 07:31 AM
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What the heck is this ttp everyone's talking about ?
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TPP Trans Pacific Partnership.
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11-10-2015, 07:34 AM
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Don't you think its kind of insulting to say that dairy farmers are too useless to stay in business without government help?
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The government already announced they would make up any loss to the farmers if prices are driven down.
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11-10-2015, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmc
That's certainly not true, fear mongering a little.
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You got facts to back your opinion, or is it just your opinion?
With the way things have been going lately, we all need to be a little fearfull dont ya think!
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11-10-2015, 08:27 AM
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The government already announced they would make up any loss to the farmers if prices are driven down.
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Exactly. Billions $$$ to dairy farmers, for compensation. 
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The government already announced they would make up any loss to the farmers if prices are driven down.
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And where are these farms mostly located? Quebec. That right, more govt (OUR) money to Quebec. Funny how that happened.
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11-10-2015, 09:33 AM
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And where are these farms mostly located? Quebec. That right, more govt (OUR) money to Quebec. Funny how that happened.
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To be fair, it was the Harper government that made that announcement.
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11-10-2015, 09:39 AM
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To be fair, it was the Harper government that made that announcement.
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Oh, I know. all sides are guilty of bribing the froggish. More pointing out how east screws west.
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Some eastern farmers will have their captive market SLIGHTLY reduced. Western farmers have long been more market minded and capable of exporting, witness their campaign to get rid of the wheat board. Western producers see new markets, eastern producers fear their security blanket is gone. The farmers I know around here support the TPP.
Only the federal NDP is against it. tells you something.
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11-10-2015, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Okotokian
Some eastern farmers will have their captive market SLIGHTLY reduced. Western farmers have long been more market minded and capable of exporting, witness their campaign to get rid of the wheat board. Western producers see new markets, eastern producers fear their security blanket is gone. The farmers I know around here support the TPP.
Only the federal NDP is against it. tells you something.
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11-10-2015, 10:36 AM
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Mr. Durden (author of your link) certainly has included some pretty graphs and scatter plots to supposedly back up his claim that the Canadian Ag sector is doomed. However, it doesn't matter how many graphics you include if you cherry pick your numbers. Using a 14 year time period (from 2000-2014) that includes the Great Recession of 2008 to show apparent trends is laughable! Not only that, he has completely or conveniently sidestepped the Infant Industry Tariff Program that the dairy farmers benefited from all these years. The very nature of these infant industry programs is to have steadily decreasing tariffs up to a point that they are removed. These are designed to help the domestic industry get off the ground and operating at a level that they can compete with foreign producers in time. The tariffs that are being removed were something that should have been done a long long long time ago.
The TPP will open up access to previously protected foreign markets for all agricultural produce. The TPP most certainly does NOT need to be scrapped. At all.
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I have two cousins that sold their dairy between Armstrong and Vernon in August, 350 acres of land, that grew corn like 10 ft. tall, with first water rights on Otter Creek, two upright concrete stave silos, three pit silos and a huge hay barn and two shops. Each lived in a house worth at least $450K, with swimming pools for their kids and pets. They milked 140 cows, and they & their neighbour dairymen wore OILFIELD giveaway hats with tightly curled beaks. Reason why?-so they could get their heads all the way into the mailbox to find the subsidy cheque that they got bi-weekly from the feds!!!!!! 
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You call a guy that uses the name of a character from fight club an expert, this is a new level of stupidity even for you.
Once again you failed.
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11-10-2015, 01:24 PM
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Here,here ....
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You call a guy that uses the name of a character from fight club an expert, this is a new level of stupidity even for you.
Once again you failed.
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Failed at? Never said I agreed or disagreed with the article. My exact words are TTP NEEDS TO BE SCRAPED ASAP..You a stalker?
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11-10-2015, 04:51 PM
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Failed at? Never said I agreed or disagreed with the article. My exact words are TTP NEEDS TO BE SCRAPED ASAP..You a stalker?
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Did you read your other post in this thread or are your multiple accounts becoming hard to manage...nevermind.
For some time you have been posting absolute nonsense from questionable sources that have no credibility and you are called out by multiple members, you then resort to talking about conspiracies, black ops, Cia etc, and then attack people telling them they drank cool aid.
Every time you continue to do this I will reply accordingly.
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The farmers whining the most over TPP are QC's dairy industry ...
As a Canadian I'm sick and tired of paying 3 - 4 times more for milk, cheese and other dairy products to subsidize QC.
Open 'er up to competition and let food prices fall on dairy products for Canadians !
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As a Canadian I'm sick and tired of paying 3 - 4 times more for milk, cheese and other dairy products to subsidize QC.
Open 'er up to competition and let food prices fall on dairy products for Canadians !
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You expect food prices to fall? 
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yes - if we can get Saputo cartel RE QC dairy products ...
opened up to competition with restrictions and tariffs reduced on the import of US dairy products - prices will fall.
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Originally Posted by Purple Farmer
Did you read your other post in this thread or are your multiple accounts becoming hard to manage...nevermind.
For some time you have been posting absolute nonsense from questionable sources that have no credibility and you are called out by multiple members, you then resort to talking about conspiracies, black ops, Cia etc, and then attack people telling them they drank cool aid.
Every time you continue to do this I will reply accordingly.
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why don't you explain to all of us what exactly is a milk quota and how it works here in Alberta ! Mr PF
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Originally Posted by TBD
As a Canadian I'm sick and tired of paying 3 - 4 times more for milk, cheese and other dairy products to subsidize QC.
Open 'er up to competition and let food prices fall on dairy products for Canadians !
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You will get your dairy cheaper at the grocery store but your taxes will rise to pay for the government payouts to the producers to make up for the shortfall.
It's a shell game.
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oh - I agree ...
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Originally Posted by ImpartialObserver
You will get your dairy cheaper at the grocery store but your taxes will rise to pay for the government payouts to the producers to make up for the shortfall.
It's a shell game.
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Justin will be all to happy to "make up" for the shortfall in revenue to QC due to competition in their "protected" dairy industry. 
and he'll use our tax dollars to do it !
no doubt - they'll come out of this ahead in the game. 
meanwhile western Canadian grain producers, find rail shipping rates to market on the rise year after year as we compete against the lucrative business of shipping oil. Where's the help from Ottawa for that ?
unbelievable, can't get any pipelines built in this 'effn country, so they end up screwing western Canadian grain producers once a'gin ! 
We need to do start doing more milling here on the prairies and stop importing our cereal products from eastern Canada ...
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Originally Posted by Purple Farmer
Did you read your other post in this thread or are your multiple accounts becoming hard to manage...nevermind.
For some time you have been posting absolute nonsense from questionable sources that have no credibility and you are called out by multiple members, you then resort to talking about conspiracies, black ops, Cia etc, and then attack people telling them they drank cool aid.
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You come with no facts to counter my supposed nonsense posts. Do you have any clue what the TTP stands for or what it contains in the 8000 plus pages? If your so dam smart, where is facts to counter mine? your nothing but a keyboard warrior without a cause. You would happen to work the Government would ya ?
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Originally Posted by TBD
Justin will be all to happy to "make up" for the shortfall in revenue to QC due to competition in their "protected" dairy industry.
and he'll use our tax dollars to do it !
no doubt - they'll come out of this ahead in the game.
meanwhile western Canadian grain producers, find rail shipping rates to market on the rise year after year as we compete against the lucrative business of shipping oil. Where's the help from Ottawa for that ?
unbelievable, can't get any pipelines built in this 'effn country, so they end up screwing western Canadian grain producers once a'gin !
We need to do more milling here on the prairies ...
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As I stated before, it was Harper who announced the government would make up the shortfall.
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Originally Posted by GameTracker
You come with no facts to counter my supposed nonsense posts. Do you have any clue what the TTP stands for or what it contains in the 8000 plus pages? If your so dam smart, where is facts to counter mine? your nothing but a keyboard warrior without a cause. You would happen to work the Government would ya ?
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If you want to deal in facts.
FACT: it is TPP
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that was offered by Harper in the middle of the election campaign ...
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As I stated before, it was Harper who announced the government would make up the shortfall.
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what's he supposed to say when mulchairs all 'rousing the QC dairy industry about TPP trade b/w Canada and the US on dairy products.
Of course they don't want to compete ! ... and if the playing field is levelled on behalf of the tax payer the BILL's going to be HUGE, since we've been getting GOUGED on dairy in this country for the last twenty years !
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