Liberals off to a good start.

[dmcbride]

Another nail in the coffin for Alberta.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...oast-1.3318086

[rugatika]

Maybe PET is his father.

[fish_e_o]

so no more shipping oil to anywhere but the US?

way to limit the market... i'm sure our oil is worth so much more now

[JustBen]

Never mind that the economy is in the ****ter and keystone XL already got squashed...

[savagewsm]

NEP II here it comes.

[Redfrog]

Is this linked to legalizing pot. Nevermind I don't care

[Austin]

Only way to move oil is by airship, helicopter, train - who owns or has most invested interest in these transportation methods. Follow the money.

[Peter Gill]

So Enbridge is dead-in-the-water ('kept Line 9 reversal), Trans-Mtn & Energy East are the only pipe proposals left.
Kinder Morgan should shut TMPL down for a week for "maintenance," watch what happens when SW BC runs out of fuel.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Peter Gill

So Enbridge is dead-in-the-water ('kept Line 9 reversal), Trans-Mtn & Energy East are the only pipe proposals left.
Kinder Morgan should shut TMPL down for a week for "maintenance," watch what happens when SW BC runs out of fuel.

why bother sending it east?

they'll just shut the tankers down there too

[Buckhead]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

why bother sending it east?

they'll just shut the tankers down there too

I don't think they want to send oil East for export.
They want to replace the 770,000 barerls a day that Eastern Canada is importing from Saudi Arabia, Africa and Venezuela.

[Peter Gill]

Energy East is planned in part to support crude oil exports. Irving is a supporter because it has it's own tanker fleet as well as Canada's largest refinery.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Yep just keep shipping it down south via the tippy rail cars that keep on flopping over. **** for brains he has.

[sjr]

Its all Harpers fault

[GreenCanada]

From the article,

"Enbridge said in a statement that despite the mandate for a moratorium on tanker traffic, it is confident the federal government will consult with 26 of 45 First Nations that have signed on with the project about what impact a tanker ban could have on them and also a perceived economic boost for Western Canada."

"Still, Enbridge says the earliest the pipeline could be built is 2019, prompting some analysts to question whether the company is fully committed to the project given the obstacles it still faces.

The moratorium would require legislation and would no doubt prompt debate in the House of Commons."

So basically, there is still hope for this project. I'm unsure if this moratorium was a campaign pledge, but there is often more than meets the eye. I expect this potential moratorium will be debated within the House of Commons and I mean actually debated, unlike the previous Harper government who stifled debate.

I look forward to some open dialogue from the new Government of Canada.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

From the article,

"Enbridge said in a statement that despite the mandate for a moratorium on tanker traffic, it is confident the federal government will consult with 26 of 45 First Nations that have signed on with the project about what impact a tanker ban could have on them and also a perceived economic boost for Western Canada."

"Still, Enbridge says the earliest the pipeline could be built is 2019, prompting some analysts to question whether the company is fully committed to the project given the obstacles it still faces.

The moratorium would require legislation and would no doubt prompt debate in the House of Commons."

So basically, there is still hope for this project. I'm unsure if this moratorium was a campaign pledge, but there is often more than meets the eye. I expect this potential moratorium will be debated within the House of Commons and I mean actually debated, unlike the previous Harper government who stifled debate.

I look forward to some open dialogue from the new Government of Canada.

Just like the debate about pulling our troops?

[GreenCanada]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Just like the debate about pulling our troops?

Just curious, has that occurred as of yet? It will be debated, but it was also a campaign pledge. Since they won a majority mandate from the Canadian people based on specific pledges made, I would expect the Government of Canada to do everything possible to follow through with them.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

Just curious, has that occurred as of yet? It will be debated, but it was also a campaign pledge. Since they won a majority mandate from the Canadian people based on specific pledges made, I would expect the Government of Canada to do everything possible to follow through with them.

How will that look to our for now allies if the Paris killers turn out to be Isis backed I wonder?

[woods_walker]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcbride View Post
Just like the debate about pulling our troops?

Originally Posted by GreenCanada View Post
Just curious, has that occurred as of yet? It will be debated, but it was also a campaign pledge. Since they won a majority mandate from the Canadian people based on specific pledges made, I would expect the Government of Canada to do everything possible to follow through with them.

Looks like the marching orders were delivered via mandate letter as early as November 6 to pull out. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada...LE&ocid=ASUDHP

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by woods_walker

Looks like the marching orders were delivered via mandate letter as early as November 6 to pull out. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada...LE&ocid=ASUDHP

Yep, and no debate or a vote in parliament.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

How will that look to our for now allies if the Paris killers turn out to be Isis backed I wonder?

It didn't look good before the Paris disaster, let alone now.

[GreenCanada]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Yep, and no debate or a vote in parliament.

I could be wrong, but those "marching orders" delivered in the "mandate letter" are directions that the PM wants his Ministers to take. I don't believe they are directives that are official.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is I think they are the goals that the Ministers should be working towards and coming up with strategies to implement. Then those strategies would be brought to the PM and then likely passed to the House of Commons for debate and implementation. It is unlikely that the Minister of Defence can just say to the overseas commanders, "bring them home, now", without detailing to Trudeau how in fact that will occur and receiving his approval.

[Hat in the Cat]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

I could be wrong, but those "marching orders" delivered in the "mandate letter" are directions that the PM wants his Ministers to take. I don't believe they are directives that are official.

Give a military man "marching orders" and it is a directive or as we would call them... orders.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

I could be wrong, but those "marching orders" delivered in the "mandate letter" are directions that the PM wants his Ministers to take. I don't believe they are directives that are official.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is I think they are the goals that the Ministers should be working towards and coming up with strategies to implement. Then those strategies would be brought to the PM and then likely passed to the House of Commons for debate and implementation. It is unlikely that the Minister of Defence can just say to the overseas commanders, "bring them home, now", without detailing to Trudeau how in fact that will occur and receiving his approval.

I don't think you understand how things work with the military or other things for that matter. Not trying to be a d&!k.

Although after this terorrist attack I wouldn't be surprised if the liberals change there mind.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2015/1...rstrikes/44218

[hal53]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

I could be wrong, but those "marching orders" delivered in the "mandate letter" are directions that the PM wants his Ministers to take. I don't believe they are directives that are official.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is I think they are the goals that the Ministers should be working towards and coming up with strategies to implement. Then those strategies would be brought to the PM and then likely passed to the House of Commons for debate and implementation. It is unlikely that the Minister of Defence can just say to the overseas commanders, "bring them home, now", without detailing to Trudeau how in fact that will occur and receiving his approval.

Your "facts" seem to have a lot of "likely" and "unlikely" dispersed through out,

[jethunter]

Originally Posted by GreenCanada

I could be wrong, but those "marching orders" delivered in the "mandate letter" are directions that the PM wants his Ministers to take. I don't believe they are directives that are official.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is I think they are the goals that the Ministers should be working towards and coming up with strategies to implement. Then those strategies would be brought to the PM and then likely passed to the House of Commons for debate and implementation. It is unlikely that the Minister of Defence can just say to the overseas commanders, "bring them home, now", without detailing to Trudeau how in fact that will occur and receiving his approval.

So it's only general instructions for screwing Alberta, and not actual directives? That's OK then, right? LOL

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Austin

Only way to move oil is by airship, helicopter, train - who owns or has most invested interest in these transportation methods. Follow the money.

Hmmm, the initials W.B. come to mind....

[Kim473]

So no tankers loading or unloading in canada. I bet the US will still have hundreds of tankers traveling in Canadian waters to and from Alaska. Only gonna screw Canadians.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Kim473

So no tankers loading or unloading in canada. I bet the US will still have hundreds of tankers traveling in Canadian waters to and from Alaska. Only gonna screw Canadians.

oh i love the truth