Shipping Oil By Rail

[elkhunter11]

I guess it isn't as safe as some people would have us believe.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...aIdsBfoDrrdzVg

[ETOWNCANUCK]

If only you could have an enclosed, cylindrical, type casing, that could move the oil along the track that it’s on and not have something like this occur.

Like some type of line maybe, and not a car.

I just wonder what it could be?

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

If only you could have an enclosed, cylindrical, type casing, that could move the oil along the track that it’s on and not have something like this occur.

Like some type of line maybe, and not a car.

I just wonder what it could be?

And maybe, if they buried it, so it was less susceptible to damage, making it even safer.

[CaberTosser]

When I was reading up on the recent derailment at Field, B.C there were notations that it was one of the most dangerous sections of track in North America. It totally didn't make me wonder how much oil transits there nor how increasing traffic there would increase risk. It was noted that the area was challenging and demanded experienced crew.

Hey, I have an idea! Lets buy thousands of tanker cars on the taxpayer dime and send them through there full of flammable liquids for that passage running parallel to watersheds down to rivers the entire way!

[sns2]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

When I was reading up on the recent derailment at Field, B.C there were notations that it was one of the most dangerous sections of track in North America. It totally didn't make me wonder how much oil transits there nor how increasing traffic there would increase risk. It was noted that the area was challenging and demanded experienced crew.

Hey, I have an idea! Lets buy thousands of tanker cars on the taxpayer dime and send them through there full of flammable liquids for that passage running parallel to watersheds down to rivers the entire way!

Just out of curiosity, would you have been happier if she'd have done nothing and fiddled as Rome is burning?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

Just out of curiosity, would you have been happier if she'd have done nothing and fiddled as Rome is burning?

If she had actively pursued pipelines for the first three years of her term, and played hard ball with Horgan, we might not be in this situation at all. This rail plan, is nothing more than a last minute attempt to buy votes

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by sns2

Just out of curiosity, would you have been happier if she'd have done nothing and fiddled as Rome is burning?

Maybe.. I am not sure if that was the best idea with present curtailment plan. What happens after we can move more product and the curtailment comes off. Then perhaps the economics don't make sense again... I am thinking this is a real confusing problem best summed up as .. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Moving by rail, only makes sense if there is a big difference in price. This is a tough one. Time, effort, energy and $$$ might have been better spent on the pipelines and consequences towards the rest of Canada and BC.

This problem is well above my pay grade...

[59whiskers]

When the NDP and liberals are finished destroying the energy industry in Kanada they will go after anyone that has a wood stove and ban that too. Field BC is the reason why a pipeline is better when common sense ever comes back to Canada.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by sns2

Just out of curiosity, would you have been happier if she'd have done nothing and fiddled as Rome is burning?

She did nothing for 3 1/2 years, this pathetic attempt at attracting votes is just that

[Deer Hunter]

To be fair, the oil sands have been producing for over 50 years. And not a government or industry group ever thought of diversifying our market away from the USA.
But it's Notleys fault?
The rest of Canada has never had a sincere appreciation for our energy resources. It's doesn't look like it's going to change in the near future.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

To be fair, the oil sands have been producing for over 50 years. And not a government or industry group ever thought of diversifying our market away from the USA.
But it's Notleys fault?
The rest of Canada has never had a sincere appreciation for our energy resources. It's doesn't look like it's going to change in the near future.

How many pipelines were on the drawing board in May 2015 ?

[sns2]

They are all lying snakes, Hal. Every last one of them. If they aren't when they get there, give them a few months. Don't forget that and it will serve you well.

Kenney is a well seasoned liar already. Let's just hope he has the balls to turn off taps and let gas get to $3 litre in BC, thumb his nose at the constitutional tax structure so as to eliminate any transfer payments, and hold talks with Saskatchewan to institute a referendum on separation. Gonna need some big ones. Let's hope his balls haven't shrank living in mommy's basement.

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by hal53

How many pipelines were on the drawing board in May 2015 ?

Tell me.
Only 48 years after the oil sands, one of the largest petroleum deposits in the world, started producing. Terrible planning around Canada's best business. For decades.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Maybe.. I am not sure if that was the best idea with present curtailment plan. What happens after we can move more product and the curtailment comes off. Then perhaps the economics don't make sense again... I am thinking this is a real confusing problem best summed up as .. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Moving by rail, only makes sense if there is a big difference in price. This is a tough one. Time, effort, energy and $$$ might have been better spent on the pipelines and consequences towards the rest of Canada and BC.

This problem is well above my pay grade...

Time, energy and effort is the same as ****ing upwind.

Trudeau holds all the cards.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by sns2

Just out of curiosity, would you have been happier if she'd have done nothing and fiddled as Rome is burning?

She had a fiddle in her hand, right next to the empty can of gas and partly used pack of matches. Recall this woman appointed Tzeporah Berman to the oil sands advisory board, roughly equivalent to appointing an avowed skinhead to the immigration advisory board, brown people division. That Berman woman is an absolute fundamentalist and cannot be expected to be reasonable in any way, shape or form when it comes to the O&G industry.

As for rail cars, once a pipeline gets built they'll be white elephants, and oversupply of them will reduce what they could be sold off for. They'd not be all that useful for strategic reserve either, not enough capacity compared to a tank farm. We need a tenacious bulldog of a Premier to get new pipelines built, not this socialist employment-vandal.

[Deer Hunter]

Canada won't look after our own interest. Natural gas is near worthless. Oil is what the Americans want to pay for it.
Who owns all the slaughter houses and packing plants? Americans. Heaven forbid they go after our agriculture business next. Because it is in the writing.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

She had a fiddle in her hand, right next to the empty can of gas and partly used pack of matches. Recall this woman appointed Tzeporah Berman to the oil sands advisory board, roughly equivalent to appointing an avowed skinhead to the immigration advisory board, brown people division. That Berman woman is an absolute fundamentalist and cannot be expected to be reasonable in any way, shape or form when it comes to the O&G industry.

As for rail cars, once a pipeline gets built they'll be white elephants, and oversupply of them will reduce what they could be sold off for. They'd not be all that useful for strategic reserve either, not enough capacity compared to a tank farm. We need a tenacious bulldog of a Premier to get new pipelines built, not this socialist employment-vandal.

Read my post a few up.

As for the cars, can they not be washed out and used to ship grain. I have very little knowledge of this issue, as I'm not a farmer, but is there not a serious lack of rail capacity to ship grain across the prairies?

As for appointing some strange, hairy-armpitted, granola munching broad to a committee, who cares? Premiers call all the shots, not their underlings.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by sns2

They are all lying snakes, Hal. Every last one of them. If they aren't when they get there, give them a few months. Don't forget that and it will serve you well.

Kenney is a well seasoned liar already. Let's just hope he has the balls to turn off taps and let gas get to $3 litre in BC, thumb his nose at the constitutional tax structure so as to eliminate any transfer payments, and hold talks with Saskatchewan to institute a referendum on separation. Gonna need some big ones. Let's hope his balls haven't shrank living in mommy's basement.

....so, in other words, he should do everything that Notley chose not to?

[sns2]

Originally Posted by hal53

....so, in other words, he should do everything that Notley chose not to?

He should do what I outlined.

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[CaberTosser]

The PM hopefully won't be by Christmas, he's got a lot on his plate with the SNC Lavalin/ Wilson-Raybould issue. That and both Ontario and Quebec both recently elected Conservative provincial gov'ts. There are certainly headwinds against Socks getting re-elected.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by sns2

Time, energy and effort is the same as ****ing upwind.

Trudeau holds all the cards.

True but Alberta does hold the oil/gas that keeps those cards warm. The pressure we could lay down could be enormous if we wished.

We might come across as a bunch of children haveing a temper tantrum BUT, it could be effective.

Shut off all pipelines running anywhere but south. Shut down the rail traffic heading to and from BC unless we want it to go through. Road block the Transcanada unless WE want the traffic to go through. So many things we could do.

[Jim Blake]

[QUOTE=Jamie;3932191]True but Alberta does hold the oil/gas that keeps those cards warm. The pressure we could lay down could be enormous if we wished.

We might come across as a bunch of children haveing a temper tantrum BUT, it could be effective.

You mean start acting like Quebec....works for them.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The PM hopefully won't be by Christmas, he's got a lot on his plate with the SNC Lavalin/ Wilson-Raybould issue. That and both Ontario and Quebec both recently elected Conservative provincial gov'ts. There are certainly headwinds against Socks getting re-elected.

Fingers crossed.

[birdbeast]

Not living in his Mommy's basement, just using it as a scam so he could collect the living allowance while a MP living in Ottawa.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by birdbeast

Not living in his Mommy's basement, just using it as a scam so he could collect the living allowance while a MP living in Ottawa.

Tongue in cheek

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by hal53

How many pipelines were on the drawing board in May 2015 ?

Enbridge was on the books. Some of it runs through my land. Landowners were all poured up for it in 2015. Then the government changed and there was delay after delay with changing rules. Finally this winter line 4 replacement is going in the ground. And guess what. The Liberals will take credit for it even though it was approved under Harpers watch.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by birdbeast

Not living in his Mommy's basement, just using it as a scam so he could collect the living allowance while a MP living in Ottawa.

Your kidding right?

[roper1]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

She had a fiddle in her hand, right next to the empty can of gas and partly used pack of matches. Recall this woman appointed Tzeporah Berman to the oil sands advisory board, roughly equivalent to appointing an avowed skinhead to the immigration advisory board, brown people division. That Berman woman is an absolute fundamentalist and cannot be expected to be reasonable in any way, shape or form when it comes to the O&G industry.

As for rail cars, once a pipeline gets built they'll be white elephants, and oversupply of them will reduce what they could be sold off for. They'd not be all that useful for strategic reserve either, not enough capacity compared to a tank farm. We need a tenacious bulldog of a Premier to get new pipelines built, not this socialist employment-vandal.

^^^^^This^^^

[6.5 shooter]

So much safer then pipelines...yes indeedy folks much safer. I wonder what some of the anti pipeline spouters who claimed the pipelines were going to leak into their salmon streams would have to say if this have happened 600 miles to the west or if the wheat cars had been oil cars that fell over the cliff last week ??
SN2 I don't think you can convert oil tankers to grain cars, oil cars are just big cylinders, grain cars are sloped floored hopper cars, plus you top load grain and use valves for oil. Plus steaming out all them cars would be hugely expensive and I doubt if they would ever be clean enough to be food grade haulers.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Folks lets examine the facts on shipping oil by rail in Canada instead of pipelines during "cold winter weather" using findings of Field derailment;
1) Majority of air was used for initial stop 2) last of air used up to hold train on 2% grade for 2 hours 3) Cold weather increases air leakage especially for rail cars near end of 112 unit train 4) Harsh cold weather causes broken rails, switches, signal outages, locomotive failure, and rail car defects.
Do we really believe we can ship oil by rail safely along our pristine salmon rivers in BC?