Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:06 AM
wags's Avatar
wags wags is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Red Deer
Posts: 2,387
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by honda450 View Post
Think that family who were held hostage (cough cough) for so many years is worth another $50 million.
Did our government have a hand in their capture and torture? The two stories are not relevant to each other.
__________________
~Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.~
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:17 AM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 45,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wags View Post
From the article:

Co-operated as in exchanging information, not as in holding them or in participating in the torture.

Quote:
The files also show that a Canadian ambassador helped to deliver questions the RCMP and CSIS wanted put to the Canadians imprisoned in Syria, a country with a dismal human rights record.
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:24 AM
wags's Avatar
wags wags is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Red Deer
Posts: 2,387
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11 View Post
Co-operated as in exchanging information, not as in holding them or in participating in the torture.
Quote:
which showed Canadian law enforcement officials not only knew three Canadians were being tortured in Syrian jails in a post-9/11 crackdown
Our government co-operated KNOWING they were being tortured. This is a violation of our constitutional rights.
__________________
~Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.~
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:30 AM
dmcbride dmcbride is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bazeau County East side
Posts: 4,188
Default

I don't agree with the payment. All I will say.


http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...536769451.html


OTTAWA, Oct. 21 /CNW Telbec/ - The Honourable Frank Iacobucci, the
Commissioner appointed to conduct the Internal Inquiry into the Actions of
Canadian Officials in Relation to Abdullah Almalki, Ahmad Abou-Elmaati and
Muayyed Nureddin, announced today the release by the Government of Canada of
the Inquiry's public report. Both the public report, and a confidential report
containing information subject to national security confidentiality, were
submitted to the Governor in Council on October 20, 2008, in accordance with
the Inquiry's Terms of Reference.
In a statement that frames the report, the Commissioner observes: "At its
core, the Inquiry (involved) the appropriate response of our democracy in
Canada to the pernicious phenomenon of terrorism, and ensuring that, in
protecting the security of our country, we respect the human rights and
freedoms that so many have fought to achieve." The mandate of the Inquiry was
to examine the actions of Canadian officials relating to three Canadian
citizens, Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin, who were detained and
mistreated in Syria and (in the case of Mr. Elmaati) in Egypt, and to
determine (1) whether there were any links between the actions of Canadian
officials (particularly in relation to the sharing of information with foreign
countries) and the detention and any mistreatment of the three men,
(2) whether, if so, these actions were deficient in the circumstances, and
(3) whether there were any deficiencies in the provision of consular services
to the three men while they were in detention. The Commissioner emphasizes in
the report that the Inquiry was not mandated to investigate, and did not
investigate, the conduct of Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin, and
that nothing in the report should be taken as an indication that any
allegation that might have been made against any of them is founded.
The Commissioner's findings are directed to the actions of three
institutions of the Government of Canada - CSIS, the RCMP and the Department
of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT). After reviewing all of the
evidence obtained by the Inquiry concerning the conduct of Canadian officials,
the Commissioner concludes: "I found no evidence that any of these officials
were seeking to do anything other than carry out conscientiously the duties
and responsibilities of the institutions of which they were a part. It is
neither necessary nor appropriate that I make findings concerning the actions
of any individual Canadian official, and I have not done so."

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Elmaati,
the Commissioner does not find any direct link between any of these actions
and Mr. Elmaati's detention in Syria. However, he does conclude that certain
instances of information sharing by Canadian officials likely contributed to
the detention, so that the detention in Syria can be said to have resulted
indirectly from these actions, and that these actions were deficient in the
circumstances. He does not find that Mr. Elmaati's detention in Egypt resulted
directly or indirectly from any action of Canadian officials.
After careful review, the Commissioner finds that Mr. Elmaati suffered
mistreatment in both Syria and Egypt that amounted to torture, as that term is
defined in the UN Convention Against Torture. He does not conclude that any
mistreatment resulted directly from any action of Canadian officials. He
finds, however, that mistreatment resulted indirectly from several actions of
CSIS and the RCMP, and that these actions were deficient in the circumstances.
He also concludes that there were a number of deficiencies in the actions of
DFAIT in providing consular services to Mr. Elmaati.

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Almalki,
the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Almalki's detention in Syria resulted
directly from any of these actions. On the evidence available to him, he is
unable to determine whether or not any action of Canadian officials resulted
indirectly in Mr. Almalki's detention. The Commissioner did not have available
to him any evidence from Syria, since Syria, like the United States, Egypt and
Malaysia, failed to provide any information to the Inquiry, despite requests
that it do so.
After careful review, the Commissioner finds that Mr. Almalki suffered
mistreatment in Syria that amounted to torture, as that term is defined in the
UN Convention. He does not conclude that any mistreatment resulted directly
from any action of Canadian officials. He finds, however, that mistreatment
resulted indirectly from two actions of the RCMP, and that these actions were
deficient in the circumstances. He also concludes that the actions of DFAIT to
provide consular services to Mr. Almalki were deficient in several respects.

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to
Mr. Nureddin, the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Nureddin's detention in
Syria resulted directly from any of these actions. However, he concludes that
certain instances of information-sharing by CSIS and the RCMP likely
contributed to the detention, so that the detention can be said to have
resulted indirectly from these actions. He finds that some, though not all, of
this information-sharing was deficient in the circumstances.
After careful review, the Commissioner finds that Mr. Nureddin suffered
mistreatment in Syria that amounted to torture, as that term is defined in the
UN Convention. He does not conclude that any mistreatment resulted directly
from any action of Canadian officials. He does find that the same sharing of
information that likely contributed to Mr. Nureddin's detention also likely
contributed to mistreatment. The Commissioner finds no deficiencies in the
actions of DFAIT to provide consular services to Mr. Nureddin.
As required by its Terms of Reference, the Inquiry was an internal
inquiry, and presumptively private. This requirement originated in the
comments of Justice Dennis O'Connor in the Report of the Arar Inquiry. Justice
O'Connor recommended that the cases of Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr.
Nureddin be reviewed, but in a manner more appropriate than through a full
scale public inquiry. He noted that when issues of national security
confidentiality are involved, a full scale public inquiry can be complicated,
protracted and costly. Because, as the Commissioner notes in the report, there
was no template for conducting an inquiry of this kind, he adopted within the
framework of his Terms of Reference a process aimed at enabling him to carry
out a private but thorough investigation while allowing all Inquiry
participants, including Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin, to have
input into the fact-finding process. In the report, the Commissioner states:
"This process ... resulted, in my view, in an investigation into the actions
of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr.
Nureddin that was thorough, efficient and fair."
The key elements of the process included:


- granting status and funding to Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and
Mr. Nureddin, and Intervenor status (and in some cases funding) to a
number of interested organizations;
- requesting and obtaining extensive production of relevant documents
- some 40,000 in total - from the Government of Canada;
- holding a series of meetings with Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and
Mr. Nureddin and their counsel, and with Intervenor organizations and
their counsel, to obtain their input on witnesses who should be
interviewed and questions that should be pursued;
- conducting detailed interviews of Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and
Mr. Nureddin, under affirmation, about their detention and treatment;
- conducting interviews under oath or affirmation of 44 other witnesses,
most of them officials with CSIS, the RCMP and DFAIT;
- holding public hearings on the interpretation of certain important
aspects of the Terms of Reference, including the question whether the
Commissioner should determine whether the mistreatment of the three men
amounted to torture;
- holding public hearings on the standards that should be applied in
assessing the conduct of Canadian officials;
- disclosing to counsel for Mr. Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin and
counsel for the Intervenors draft factual narratives, based on the
documents and interviews and other information obtained by the Inquiry,
obtaining their detailed comments and suggestions on the drafts and
taking these suggestions and comments into account in finalizing the
report; and
- receiving final and reply submissions from counsel for Mr. Almalki,
Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin and counsel for the Intervenors, based on
the draft factual narratives that they had reviewed.


According to John Laskin, Lead Inquiry Counsel, "Many of these procedures
were unprecedented in any Canadian inquiry. The input that the three men and
the Intervenor organizations provided through these and other means made an
important contribution to the work of the Inquiry."
With one exception, the Commissioner is satisfied that the information
contained in the confidential version of his report, but omitted from the
public report, is properly subject to national security confidentiality. If it
is ultimately determined that further information can be publicly disclosed,
he intends to take the necessary steps to supplement the public report.

The complete text of the public report, and copies of related documents,
will be available on the Inquiry's website, www.iacobucciinquiry.ca.

Established under Part I of the Inquiries Act by the Minister of Public
Safety, the Inquiry's mandate was to determine whether the detention of Mr.
Almalki, Mr. Elmaati and Mr. Nureddin in Syria or Egypt resulted from actions
of Canadian officials, particularly in relation to the sharing of information
with foreign countries, whether those actions or the actions of Canadian
consular officials were deficient in these cases and whether any mistreatment
of these three individuals in Syria or Egypt resulted from deficiencies in the
actions of Canadian officials.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:32 AM
Mike_W's Avatar
Mike_W Mike_W is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Stony Plain
Posts: 6,433
Default

Nearly a buck for every Canadian ...more if we only look at tax paying Canadians.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:33 AM
mgvande's Avatar
mgvande mgvande is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Western alberta
Posts: 1,164
Default

The States likes to pick off people and send them for 'questioning' in the Middle East. This type of thing is costing us money. Homeland security should be paying for these lawsuits. I wonder what the percentage of actual terrorists vs false arrests are. We probably wouldn't hear to much on the successful 'arrests'.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 10-26-2017, 10:35 AM
Freedom55 Freedom55 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Perdue SK
Posts: 1,570
Default record speed

Thanks Kevin for opening another opportunity for these boys to go off on a racist rant. You'd have thought we've had enough bigotry and hatred for this year.

A little pep rally for the you-must-be-white-to-be-a-Canadian crowd? Cheese and rice.

Free
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 10-26-2017, 11:22 AM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 45,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wags View Post
Our government co-operated KNOWING they were being tortured. This is a violation of our constitutional rights.
They new that they were in custody, where does it say that they knew for a fact that they were being tortured?
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 10-26-2017, 11:37 AM
wags's Avatar
wags wags is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Red Deer
Posts: 2,387
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11 View Post
They new that they were in custody, where does it say that they knew for a fact that they were being tortured?
The Federal Inquiry. You read the article, right?
__________________
~Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.~
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 10-26-2017, 11:39 AM
Badgerbadger Badgerbadger is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,187
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom55 View Post
Thanks Kevin for opening another opportunity for these boys to go off on a racist rant. You'd have thought we've had enough bigotry and hatred for this year.

A little pep rally for the you-must-be-white-to-be-a-Canadian crowd? Cheese and rice.

Free
Oh, chum, it's not even November yet! The "war on xmas" threads haven't even started.
__________________
"It'd be nice if...."
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 10-26-2017, 12:14 PM
Newview01 Newview01 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 5,326
Default

So were the three individuals captured on false grounds? Or did the truth have to be "tortured" out of them. Because there are a lot of people taken into custody who are proven innocent. Doesn't mean we should stop taking people into custody.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 10-26-2017, 12:27 PM
Bigwoodsman Bigwoodsman is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 8,337
Default

When are Canadian Citizens going to have enough of the political BS? Enough is enough is enough already. It's time to take a stand against our elected politicians for these ridiculous and insane payouts.

Our elected politicians don't give a rats ass about the populace. They're there for their over valued services, for the pension for the perks. They could give a sh!t less about the people who put them in the position they enjoy!

Was it Shakespear who said Kill all the Lawyers! or the Eagles? Who ever it was is on the right track. Start with the law makers, senators, and politicians who do not defend Canada or Canadians.

This Payout has me riled! We bust our assess to earn a living to pay ridiculous taxes to pay terrorist ransoms!

Get Crouton and Martin to pay the bill, they have the cash to do so easily!

Enough is Enough is Enough

BW
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 10-26-2017, 12:56 PM
Zip Zip is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: AlbertaSask
Posts: 4,180
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgerbadger View Post
No, things weren't a lot better in 1997, 1987, or 1977. Read about the world and what was going on in it at those times, and you'll see that.

Normal, everyday Canadians are part of Canadian society and government of it. One branch of Canadian society, the RCMP, is responsible for providing incorrect information and thus contributing to the incarceration and torture of innocent men. As such, they are responsible and have to make restitution which means that rolls back into Canadian society in general, making amends for those mistakes.

That's how civilized society works.
I don't need to read about the world in those years...I was around then, and I still say we were all better off back then...and are you sure that this is the way a civilized society works...maybe get outside and check with people to see if they agree with that statement, I believe we are a society...but civilized, ummm, I gotta call shenninagins on that...we are more under a mild to warm totally controlled society by those far above us..we have less say, we are taxed to near death now..and that's only getting worse...remember how the kings men of years gone by used to go door to door to get people to,pay their taxes, not a fair system back then..and it's not a fair system right now..sorry but that's all I got to say..thanks!
Zip
__________________
"Never be ashamed of scars it just simply means that you were stronger than what tried to hurt you"

"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience...well,That comes from poor Judgement"
"KEEP SMILING"
Zip
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 10-26-2017, 12:59 PM
Headdamage Headdamage is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
Posts: 697
Default

Many middle eastern countries can likely hook you up with the perquisite, just get yourself on a watch list first then book a ticket. Let us know how you liked it when you get back.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 10-26-2017, 01:17 PM
Badgerbadger Badgerbadger is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,187
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip View Post
I don't need to read about the world in those years...I was around then, and I still say we were all better off back then...and are you sure that this is the way a civilized society works...maybe get outside and check with people to see if they agree with that statement, I believe we are a society...but civilized, ummm, I gotta call shenninagins on that...we are more under a mild to warm totally controlled society by those far above us..we have less say, we are taxed to near death now..and that's only getting worse...remember how the kings men of years gone by used to go door to door to get people to,pay their taxes, not a fair system back then..and it's not a fair system right now..sorry but that's all I got to say..thanks!
Zip
Your memory of those times is faulty.

Taxes were higher; Russia was still a power; there was more disease and violence. I won't go on, because I doubt you'll care.

Sorry about your belief in a grand conspiracy theory.
__________________
"It'd be nice if...."
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 10-26-2017, 01:22 PM
Kurt505 Kurt505 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Communist state
Posts: 13,245
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Headdamage View Post
Many middle eastern countries can likely hook you up with the perquisite, just get yourself on a watch list first then book a ticket. Let us know how you liked it when you get back.
Do you want to know before or after the $10million payout?
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 10-26-2017, 01:25 PM
dmcbride dmcbride is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bazeau County East side
Posts: 4,188
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgerbadger View Post
Your memory of those times is faulty.

Taxes were higher; Russia was still a power; there was more disease and violence. I won't go on, because I doubt you'll care.

Sorry about your belief in a grand conspiracy theory.
You sure?

https://www.fcf-ctf.ca/ctfweb/Docume...5_02_Smith.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 10-26-2017, 02:15 PM
Zip Zip is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: AlbertaSask
Posts: 4,180
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgerbadger View Post
Your memory of those times is faulty.

Taxes were higher; Russia was still a power; there was more disease and violence. I won't go on, because I doubt you'll care.

Sorry about your belief in a grand conspiracy theory.
Well your wrong again...I do care, or I wouldn't have posted my thoughts, I on the other hand can tell that you care, as you are continually telling me how wrong I am..I appreciate your insight Badgerbadger but maybe just maybe your the one with the conspiracy theory.. I don't have a subscription to that magazine, I just have my own concerns and thoughts about this subject, maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong..either way it's just words in the end..I appreciate your comments non the less as I'm sure we all have opinions, so, this I know for sure...you as well maybe right, or you may be wrong same as me..thanks for reading my comments, I didn't know such few words could get under anybody's skin..I'm really not worth your effort.
Zip
__________________
"Never be ashamed of scars it just simply means that you were stronger than what tried to hurt you"

"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience...well,That comes from poor Judgement"
"KEEP SMILING"
Zip
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 10-26-2017, 03:44 PM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 45,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wags View Post
The Federal Inquiry. You read the article, right?
The inquiry was held after these incidents, how were the Canadian authorities supposed to know that torture was occurring at the time the incidents took place?
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 10-26-2017, 03:51 PM
ReconWilly ReconWilly is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,556
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom55 View Post
Thanks Kevin for opening another opportunity for these boys to go off on a racist rant. You'd have thought we've had enough bigotry and hatred for this year.

A little pep rally for the you-must-be-white-to-be-a-Canadian crowd? Cheese and rice.

Free
What an anti-canadian statement.

WE ARE CANADA.

Thank you recognizing our right to our own opinions on how OUR country handles anti-canadian actions against our tax paying citizens.
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg images-49.jpeg (10.4 KB, 48 views)
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 10-26-2017, 03:58 PM
Deo101 Deo101 is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 883
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sporty View Post
So people are okay with the government being complicit with falsely accusing, detaining and torturing Canadian citizens?
Except our only part was passing on intelligence from what I gathered.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 10-26-2017, 06:11 PM
Sundancefisher's Avatar
Sundancefisher Sundancefisher is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Calgary Perchdance
Posts: 18,894
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sporty View Post
So people are okay with the government being complicit with falsely accusing, detaining and torturing Canadian citizens?
No. And the liberals are working hard to try and sweep their major mistakes as a government under the rug.

I believe Justin campaigned against stricter protections against terrorism while the liberals are weak on terrorism and strong on torturing innocent people instead.

Shaking head bad on this one.
__________________
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Charles Darwin
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 10-26-2017, 06:56 PM
elk396 elk396 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 511
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ReconWilly View Post
What an anti-canadian statement.

WE ARE CANADA.

Thank you recognizing our right to our own opinions on how OUR country handles anti-canadian actions against our tax paying citizens.
Well said!
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 10-26-2017, 07:38 PM
brslk's Avatar
brslk brslk is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,375
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sporty View Post
So people are okay with the government being complicit with falsely accusing, detaining and torturing Canadian citizens?
When did the Canadian government do any such thing? They made no false accusations at all. They did not detain anyone and they certainly never tortured anyone.

They provided information that they had. Correct information.
That doesn't make them complicit in anything.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:00 AM
Lites out Lites out is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 115
Default /

I"for one"totally understand the payout!!! but shouldnt we be paying Syria
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:29 AM
EZM's Avatar
EZM EZM is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 11,858
Default

I wonder how many of the contributors understand the simple fact that the Canadian Secret Service falsely accused these guys, told Syria they were terrorists, and they were subsequently jailed and tortured in Syria as a result of those false accusations. These men spent years in there, time lost forever, and will never recover from the physical and mental abuse they faced.

Does this not clearly indicated that the root cause of these three men's unjust and imprisonment was a result of our government's gross negligence?

What if their names were John Smith, Paul Brown and Frank Anderson?

For all of you contributors spouting on about this - are you telling me that if our government did this to you or your family members that you shouldn't be entitled to compensation?

Really?
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:35 AM
Newview01 Newview01 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 5,326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcbride View Post
Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Elmaati,
the Commissioner does not find any direct link between any of these actions
and Mr. Elmaati's detention in Syria. However, he does conclude that certain
instances of information sharing by Canadian officials likely contributed to
the detention, so that the detention in Syria can be said to have resulted
indirectly from these actions, and that these actions were deficient in the
circumstances.
He does not find that Mr. Elmaati's detention in Egypt resulted
directly or indirectly from any action of Canadian officials.

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Almalki,
the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Almalki's detention in Syria resulted
directly from any of these actions. On the evidence available to him, he is
unable to determine whether or not any action of Canadian officials resulted
indirectly in Mr. Almalki's detention.


Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to
Mr. Nureddin, the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Nureddin's detention in
Syria resulted directly from any of these actions. However, he concludes that
certain instances of information-sharing by CSIS and the RCMP likely
contributed to the detention, so that the detention can be said to have
resulted indirectly from these actions.
He finds that some, though not all, of
this information-sharing was deficient in the circumstances.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EZM View Post
I wonder how many of the contributors understand the simple fact that the Canadian Secret Service falsely accused these guys,
Seems like a gray area to me. No payout is justifiable.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:41 AM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 45,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcbride View Post
Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Elmaati,
the Commissioner does not find any direct link between any of these actions
and Mr. Elmaati's detention in Syria. However, he does conclude that certain
instances of information sharing by Canadian officials likely contributed to
the detention, so that the detention in Syria can be said to have resulted
indirectly from these actions, and that these actions were deficient in the
circumstances. He does not find that Mr. Elmaati's detention in Egypt resulted
directly or indirectly from any action of Canadian officials.

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to Mr. Almalki,
the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Almalki's detention in Syria resulted
directly from any of these actions. On the evidence available to him, he is
unable to determine whether or not any action of Canadian officials resulted
indirectly in Mr. Almalki's detention.

Concerning the actions of Canadian officials with respect to
Mr. Nureddin, the Commissioner does not find that Mr. Nureddin's detention in
Syria resulted directly from any of these actions. However, he concludes that
certain instances of information-sharing by CSIS and the RCMP likely
contributed to the detention, so that the detention can be said to have
resulted indirectly from these actions. He finds that some, though not all, of
this information-sharing was deficient in the circumstances.
So they collected millions, even though the actions of Canadians could not be proven to be the reason that they were detained or tortured, and no Canadians tool part in the torture.
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.

Last edited by elkhunter11; 10-27-2017 at 07:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:44 AM
CMichaud's Avatar
CMichaud CMichaud is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: New Beijing, Canada
Posts: 1,470
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EZM View Post
I wonder how many of the contributors understand the simple fact that the Canadian Secret Service falsely accused these guys, told Syria they were terrorists, and they were subsequently jailed and tortured in Syria as a result of those false accusations. These men spent years in there, time lost forever, and will never recover from the physical and mental abuse they faced.

Does this not clearly indicated that the root cause of these three men's unjust and imprisonment was a result of our government's gross negligence?

What if their names were John Smith, Paul Brown and Frank Anderson?

For all of you contributors spouting on about this - are you telling me that if our government did this to you or your family members that you shouldn't be entitled to compensation?

Really?
If the Government screwed up then procedures need to be amended and/or individuals should be held accountable.

To your point....

I suspect that if:

John Smith was a dual national with a Syrian passport;
John Smith was being tracked by CSIS and/or the RCMP for suspected illegal activity; and
John Smith then went to Syria and then Iraq.

the exact same thing would have happened regardless of whether he was brown, white, or green.

Based on the facts presented thus far, claiming that what happened was an issue of colour is racist in its own right.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 10-27-2017, 07:53 AM
Full Curl Earl Full Curl Earl is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern Alberta
Posts: 1,704
Default Sugar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sporty View Post
So people are okay with the government being complicit with falsely accusing, detaining and torturing Canadian citizens?
You can sugar coat it if you wish, but yes, in national security issues I'm better than ok with it, I'm "Goooooood with it"!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.