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There is always a never ending stream of nut job joke reporting. Fanatics rule the day in conspiracy theories in the US. The are not hiding in the wood work and these silly links just prove freedoms in the US are stronger than ever.
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12-23-2012, 06:35 PM
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Almost sounds like we're reading 2 different things... 
Forest from the trees I guess.
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12-23-2012, 06:55 PM
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Here is something people should be more concern of instead of guns.
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12-23-2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BeeGuy
This post is what happens when you see something that impacts you emotionally, or that reaffirms your ideal.
The problem is, is that it is just the game of telephone-propaganda.
Not one person that has liked, shared or recapitulated this has bothered to check the facts.
What's a no brainer?
Believing everything you see.
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Please post the facts.
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12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher
There is always a never ending stream of nut job joke reporting. Fanatics rule the day in conspiracy theories in the US. The are not hiding in the wood work and these silly links just prove freedoms in the US are stronger than ever.
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I guess it takes a nut job to spot a nut job.Thanks for the heads up.
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12-23-2012, 07:39 PM
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I guess it takes a nut job to spot a nut job.Thanks for the heads up.
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I think the nut jobs term for it is sheeple... 
But hey, I guess I'll gladly accept the title of nut job if that is what he believes.  
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12-23-2012, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 30Cal
Who is Adam Lanza?
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Who cares? 
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12-23-2012, 07:43 PM
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"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends. The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Another Interesting Read....from Facebook
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as gun owners, we have to be very careful what we post, and stick to only the facts.
switzerland is not a very good example. has the second highest per capita hang gun murder rate. second only to the U.S.
Myth: Switzerland proves that high gun-ownership doesn't increase murder.
Fact: Switzerland also has strict gun control laws.
Summary
Switzerland has compulsory gun ownership for military age males, yet it has a far lower murder rate than the U.S. But Switzerland also has far stricter gun control laws. Even so, Switzerland has the second highest rate of handgun ownership and handgun murders in the industrialized world, after the U.S.
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Switzerland is frequently cited as an example of a country with high gun ownership and a low murder rate. However, Switzerland also has a high degree of gun control, and actually makes a better argument for gun regulation than gun liberalization.
Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up. Their issue of 72 rounds of ammunition must be sealed, and it is strictly accounted for. This complicates their use for criminal purposes, in that they are difficult to conceal, and their use will be eventually discovered by the authorities.
As for civilian weapons, the cantons (states) issue licenses for handgun purchases on a "must issue" basis. Most, but not all, cantons require handgun registration. Any ammunition bought on the private market is also registered. Ammunition can be bought unregistered at government subsidized shooting ranges, but, by law, one must use all the ammunition at the range. (Unfortunately, this law is not really enforced, and gives Swiss gun owners a way to collect unregistered ammunition.) Because so many people own rifles, there is no regulation on carrying them, but 15 of the 26 cantons have regulations on carrying handguns.
Despite these regulations, Switzerland has the second highest handgun ownership and handgun murder rate in the industrialized world. A review of the statistics:
Percent of households with a handgun, 1991 (1)
United States 29%
Switzerland 14
Finland 7
Germany 7
Belgium 6
France 6
Canada 5
Norway 4
Europe 4
Australia 2
Netherlands 2
United Kingdom 1
Handgun murders (1992) (2)
Handgun 1992 Handgun Murder
Country Murders Population Rate (per 100,000)
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United States 13,429 254,521,000 5.28
Switzerland 97 6,828,023 1.42
Canada 128 27,351,509 0.47
Sweden 36 8,602,157 0.42
Australia 13 17,576,354 0.07
United Kingdom 33 57,797,514 0.06
Japan 60 124,460,481 0.05
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12-23-2012, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by braggadoe
as gun owners, we have to be very careful what we post, and stick to only the facts...
Despite these regulations, Switzerland has the second highest handgun ownership and handgun murder rate in the industrialized world. A review of the statistics:
Percent of households with a handgun, 1991 (1)
United States 29%
Switzerland 14
Finland 7
Germany 7
Belgium 6
France 6
Canada 5
Norway 4
Europe 4
Australia 2
Netherlands 2
United Kingdom 1
Handgun murders (1992) (2)
Handgun 1992 Handgun Murder
Country Murders Population Rate (per 100,000)
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United States 13,429 254,521,000 5.28
Switzerland 97 6,828,023 1.42
Canada 128 27,351,509 0.47
Sweden 36 8,602,157 0.42
Australia 13 17,576,354 0.07
United Kingdom 33 57,797,514 0.06
Japan 60 124,460,481 0.05
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I quess it all depends where your getting your statistics from?
2010 & 2011 stats from this article paints a different story than your 1991 & 1992 Stats.
http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the...re-that-works/
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12-23-2012, 08:18 PM
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Please post the facts.
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I appreciate that you asked nicely, but I'm not going to do it for you. And really I can't, you can only do it for yourself in order to satisfy yourself.
Just more evidence of people unwilling to do it themselves.
Spoon fed generation.
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12-23-2012, 08:30 PM
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true. one study is on firearm related murders, the other is on hand gun related murders. bottom line is that switzerland doesn't have the lowest firearm related crime rate in the civilized world as posted in the OP.
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12-23-2012, 08:34 PM
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I Understand why the Nazis disarmed the population, they knew what was coming and many germans may not like it and fight back. But l think saying "because of gun control in Germany 12 million jews and others were extermintated" doesn't sit right with me.
If anyone knows anything about the Holocaust is the victims having guns never would of saved them (infact many jews and others across Europe gathered arms and fought back against german soldiers insurgent style.)
Jews were treated well in the begining, then slowlyworse and worse and eventually moved into ghettos. Then were told they are being moved somewhere else where they were then eventually killed (them not knowing that was going to happen). It was a slow progression. being brought to a camp and being told "this is where you are going to work, but first go have a shower". Then the doors lock behind them and they are all gased unknowingly. Don't see how them having guns would of stopped this.
So that statement to me doesn't sit right.
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12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
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How can so many people on this site criticize the dreaded MSM, and then turn around and post junk from facebook?????? 
Like, REALLY???
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12-23-2012, 08:42 PM
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I had read a link somewhere that essentially debunked the Hitler era gun control argument. At one point, he barred the Jews from being able to work in the firearms industry, but as far as I know, he didn't actually take away their weapons.
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Originally Posted by HunterDave
I think that I'm about done with the whole gun issue on here. It's increasingly clear to me that few posters even understand what the term "gun control" means. It does not just mean dis-arming people. Without a clear understanding of the basics about the issue, then there can be no meaningless debate.
"Gun control is any law, policy, practice, or proposal designed to restrict or limit the possession, production, importation, shipment, sale, and/or use of guns or other firearms by private citizens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control
In the military we had a policy. If you identified an issue that you felt needed changing and you wanted to bring it forward then you needed to bring possible solutions to the table with it, otherwise, it was just considered whining.
I see a lot of whining on the forum and very few solutions being presented. Too bad.  |
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