Stolen rifle /calgary police

[roper1]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Hahaha, you're so funny. Those definitions are clear: I like
Websters.

And draw the parallels for us? I'm still gases that you think a cop with three years figures a C8 is just gonna disappear and no one will notice with him pennies the richer compared to a career and pension. If you think that's reasonable, I can't wait to see your parallels!

Oh I see, it's an RCMP/EPS/CPS organized crime ring that uses years of experience fighting crime to........get caught being the dumbest criminals ever. Strong and apparent parallel, my bad.

I would think an officer stupid enough to accept bribes to sell confidential info, or a few officers trafficking steroids which is illegal, should have been smart enough to not risk career & pension....but they have....& your inability to understand that all instances are 'pennies the richer' explains why you can't grasp my parallels, correct, you bad....

[Roughneck12]

I haven't read through the whole thread, but I agree on certain thoughts. WTF is a cop driving around with a possibly full auto weapon in his trunk, wit two loaded mags and the rest of us civvies would be burned at the stake if we did so. Huge fracking double standard. Should not be condoned. These morans should follow the same rules as us law abiding citizens. Do these people even have to have a licence?

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by roper1

I would think an officer stupid enough to accept bribes to sell confidential info, or a few officers trafficking steroids which is illegal, should have been smart enough to not risk career & pension....but they have....& your inability to understand that all instances are 'pennies the richer' explains why you can't grasp my parallels, correct, you bad....

And how much about those scenarios do you understand? Not much if you are drawing conclusions from the known facts.

The gist that the media gave us (and was well discussed on this forum) was they (the EPS guys) were cops getting low level anabolic from other cops. Yeah thats a bad, and I'm happy to see them get their deserves, but not an organized medium to create cash flow by any means.

And the RCMP bribery guy? There hasn't been any info other than protected info was passed along and he was compensated. That could be as simple as doing a back-door, back ground check for a friend and getting a bottle for it. Could be worse too, but we don't know do we? Investigation isn't done.

And you are saying that taking the gun home, and leaving it in a car so his known accomplice will break in and take it was his master plan? Genius. I see the parallels now. Stupid people do stupid things and get caught....I'm onto it......nefarious....so nefarious....(insert Mr. Burns doing the creepy hand thingy here).

You should look up Occam's Razor now. Its kind of a go to, like "common sense".

[waterninja]

I am not familar with the rifle that was stolen, but is it in fact a restricted weapon? I know that leaving ammo in the same case as the rifle is pretty stupid and illegal, but quite honestly I thought that leaving a non-restricted firearm in your vehicle is legal as long as the vehicle is locked and firearm out of sight.
When we are out hunting we often have to leave our rifles in a locked truck when having lunch or getting gas.
Sounds like the officer in the video is distancing himself from the one who had the rifle stolen, but he specifically states that officers should not take thier SIDEARMS home, and nowhere do I see any mention of this rifle being restricted.
Either way the officer who had the rifle in his vehicle is in deep doo doo and if this is in fact a restricted firearm, then he has certainly broken some gun laws, and dept. regs.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by waterninja

I am not familar with the rifle that was stolen, but is it in fact a restricted weapon? I know that leaving ammo in the same case as the rifle is pretty stupid and illegal, but quite honestly I thought that leaving a non-restricted firearm in your vehicle is legal as long as the vehicle is locked and firearm out of sight.
When we are out hunting we often have to leave our rifles in a locked truck when having lunch or getting gas.
Sounds like the officer in the video is distancing himself from the one who had the rifle stolen, but he specifically states that officers should not take thier SIDEARMS home, and nowhere do I see any mention of this rifle being restricted.
Either way the officer who had the rifle in his vehicle is in deep doo doo and if this is in fact a restricted firearm, then he has certainly broken some gun laws, and dept. regs.

The new carbines are most definitely restricted firearms, and the 30 round magazines are most definitely prohibited.

[nelsonob1]

One would think there is some existing policy with respect to officers transporting weapons to and from their home? I personally have concerns with an officer taking a prohibited firearm to their home to "be cleaned".

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

One would think there is some existing policy with respect to officers transporting weapons to and from their home? I personally have concerns with an officer taking a prohibited firearm to their home to "be cleaned".

It's restricted. And why? You clean your restricted rifles at home right?

And I believe that the Superintendent in the video explained that there was.

[whiteout]

Seems like a lot of people need to go re-read the laws they are crowing about in this thread.

It's not illegal to transport or store loaded mags with a firearm, it's not illegal to transport mags while they are loaded. You can stop for food, gas, to pick someone up, to sleep or go to the washroom while transporting a restricted firearm.The law states "reasonably direct", the definition of reasonable changes with the situation.

CPS rifles are Colts with and EOTech and flashlight. You can get the identical setup (except mags, we're limited to 13+1) for ~$3k off the shelf.

[openfire]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe someone has already said this…

This is the reason I keep my rifles on the downlow. Bad guys target gun owners homes and cars for B&E.

I don't even like to carry them out to my truck without them being covered up.

I am really bummed out that this officers rifle is on some criminals hands right now. Only tragedy will come from this unless they catch that guy soon.

[RandyBoBandy]

RIGHT!!! random car gets gun removed Inside job, just follow the money trail

[Jack&7]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

It's a 'patrol rifle' when the police have it, with expanded capacity magazines. When I have one, it is a restricted 'assault rifle'. For media purposes of course.

TC....that was exactly what I was getting at. I guess I am just to lazy to put the sarcastic emoticon on my post.

[nelsonob1]

Originally Posted by rem338win

It's restricted. And why? You clean your restricted rifles at home right?

And I believe that the Superintendent in the video explained that there was.

Sorry, I thought it was a full auto version with extended mags?

I clean my rifles at home but I fail to understand why this officer takes a work rifle home with the loaded ammo clips to be cleaned - maybe he was polishing the bullets too?

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

Sorry, I thought it was a full auto version with extended mags?

I clean my rifles at home but I fail to understand why this officer takes a work rifle home with the loaded ammo clips to be cleaned - maybe he was polishing the bullets too?

Semi-auto with standard capacity mags. Transporting or storing magazines while loaded is not illegal. Transporting them in the same case as a firearm is not illegal.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

Sorry, I thought it was a full auto version with extended mags?

I clean my rifles at home but I fail to understand why this officer takes a work rifle home with the loaded ammo clips to be cleaned - maybe he was polishing the bullets too?

That same video says the C8 is individually issued. Maybe the guy takes pride in his personal equipment. They say semi auto and the pic on the article does not look to be select fire. Regular mags from the look, just no rivet.

Either way, His boss is saying it's supposed to be locked up, and it's stolen now. He's in hot water and there are a lot of investigators crawling on him from the looks of the article. I'd hate to be him.

[Redfrog]

I wonder if Stuart would be "Sick to my stomach" if Joe sixpack had a firearm stolen from his vehicle? Or would he say file a report?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I wonder if Stuart would be "Sick to my stomach" if Joe sixpack had a firearm stolen from his vehicle? Or would he say file a report?

He would be sick to his stomach with excitement...because he would have two "criminals" to throw the book at.

LC

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

He would be sick to his stomach with excitement...because he would have two "criminals" to throw the book at.

LC

More like one! He probably won't catch the thief.

[220swifty]

I wonder if the officer in question had a PAL, and if he even knew what he was doing would be illegal for a civvy?

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

And right away into to police bashing.......

As though nobody here has ever had a firearm in their trunk.

it was in the trunk?...

[antmai]

Originally Posted by 220swifty

I wonder if the officer in question had a PAL, and if he even knew what he was doing would be illegal for a civvy?

Unfortunately, probably not. It isn't a requirement for police to have a PAL. That, by concept, blows me away! How the 'f' is that not a requirement? I have lots of actual experience with officers who only know firearms as it relates to their service weapon. I was even told once that 'I shoot a 22. It's right here on the pistol'. It was a glock 22!
As an owner of a variety of firearms under different classes, I understand why there is so much hot-headedness on this topic and it makes for entertaining reading that is for sure. Too bad there is a lot of jumping off half-cocked. See I did there? lol
Their mags are prohibited to us, not to them. Military's the same. So are their pistols, and even kind of their ammo. No big deal. Let it go.
Yes, they are allowed to take their firearms home but as above, without a PAL, I find that quite hypocritical. They do not understand the requirements, as a general rule.
Should he have stopped in at a sports bar? I would say not. Did he actually need to bring the rifle home? I would say not. Was the cased rifle in plain view? I hope not, but in that case it is still legal to be. The officer in this is screwed, and he should be. No possible explanation for transporting the ammo with the firearm. The rest of it is a theft from vehicle that hopefully never ends up in a violent crime. How could anyone or police service live with that burden?

[silverdoctor]

It doesn't sound like it was secured in the trunk, more like in the back seat. Articles say that the cables normally used to secure firearms were not used.

But I especially like this part... Officer has firearm stolen, Joe public pays the price.

Then, after the theft was reported, it appears police set up roadblocks and arbitrarily searched cars and opened trunks as they left the Crowfoot area, causing a storm of protest over social media — though no formal complaints have been filed.

Nothing like adding insult to injury

http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comm...s_at_crowfoot/

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

It doesn't sound like it was secured in the trunk, more like in the back seat. Articles say that the cables normally used to secure firearms were not used.

But I especially like this part... Officer has firearm stolen, Joe public pays the price.



Nothing like adding insult to injury

http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comm...s_at_crowfoot/

They figured ahhh! Just violate people's rights. After all we're the law

[silverdoctor]

Another stolen firearm last week from a personal vehicle... Sounds like they made off with box and all.

http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/gun-ammun...ifax-1.2305724

[Stinky Buffalo]

Up until now, I was under the impression that officers regularly took their weapons home for cleaning/range practice. Huh. Learn something new every day!

To me, the issue revolves mostly around whether that Pelican case was visible from outside the Subaru.

Usually Pelican cases contain things that are worth protecting (especially with padlocks on it), hence, worth stealing. It definitely makes an attractive target for a break-in.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by connexion123

They figured ahhh! Just violate people's rights. After all we're the law

Interesting news conference... Love the "semi-automatic assault, uh, police rifle" bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSEC...ature=youtu.be

11:00
What kind of damage can this rifle do, it looks like it's pretty impressive looking.

Well, you know, it's a, it's a semi-automatic assault uh, police rifle so, signifigant.


11:15 into the video is important, answers a few questions in this thread. Officers are still subject to the same storage laws as the rest of Canadian firearms owners.

[NEWB]

Originally Posted by whiteout

Seems like a lot of people need to go re-read the laws they are crowing about in this thread.

It's not illegal to transport or store loaded mags with a firearm, it's not illegal to transport mags while they are loaded. You can stop for food, gas, to pick someone up, to sleep or go to the washroom while transporting a restricted firearm.The law states "reasonably direct", the definition of reasonable changes with the situation.

CPS rifles are Colts with and EOTech and flashlight. You can get the identical setup (except mags, we're limited to 13+1) for ~$3k off the shelf.

Next time i go to the range with my restricted, ill be sure to stop at Shanks for a few beverages after.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by connexion123

it was in the trunk?...

Articles I read at the time didn't specify where the case was located nor the vehicle type, simply a use of phrase. Perhaps it was a wagon or hatchback or even just in the back seat. I've still yet to read any description of the vehicle type, maybe its a Smart car? Kubelwagen?

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Articles I read at the time didn't specify where the case was located nor the vehicle type, simply a use of phrase. Perhaps it was a wagon or hatchback or even just in the back seat. I've still yet to read any description of the vehicle type, maybe its a Smart car? Kubelwagen?

It was a Subaru, that's all the CPS released.

Chief says publicly that the firearm should not have been taken home, it was left in a personal vehicle, cables not used to secure it per CPS standards. unsafe storage as it was stolen.

[CaberTosser]

I can't side with the officer considering his act violated CPS policy as well as that it wasn't a police vehicle he had it in. My earlier post was when just the most basic details were released it seemed plausible that it was a CPS vehicle, such as how I have seen to be the case with K-9 for instance.

I'm glad they're treating this seriously and the officer won't have a double-standard immunity.

[toomanyhobbies]

It's pretty sad that comments on here show almost the same level of ignorance and outright hatred as the public comments on the Calgary Herald website.

I'm thinking a lot of you supposed gun owners need to go read the regulations again as you seem to have no idea what they actually say. We know that they are poorly written, vague and sometimes contradictory, but have we not had these discussions dozens of times already to sort out the truth of the matter?