30-06 for long range elk moose

[Pathfinder76]

Who here will volunteer to stand in front of a 30-06 at 1000 yards? I know I certainly wouldn’t and given the choice I don’t think an elk would either.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by chuck

Who here will volunteer to stand in front of a 30-06 at 1000 yards? I know I certainly wouldn’t and given the choice I don’t think an elk would either.

I wouldn't stand in front of a 223rem at 1000 yards either, but that doesn't make shooting at big game at 1000 yards with either cartridge, a good idea.

[Slicktricker]

I wouldn’t do it my self 400 is far enough being a mainly bow hunter I’ve became good at getting close enough

[heretohunt]

I was never clear on why people would defend .308 out to 1000+ yards and yet the lowly 3006 is barely capable of 500.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I wouldn't stand in front of a 223rem at 1000 yards either, but that doesn't make shooting at big game at 1000 yards with either cartridge, a good idea.

Horse feathers. The 30-06 is not a slouch.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

I was never clear on why people would defend .308 out to 1000+ yards and yet the lowly 3006 is barely capable of 500.

People need to shoot stuff instead of theorizing.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

I was never clear on why people would defend .308 out to 1000+ yards and yet the lowly 3006 is barely capable of 500.

People are defending the use of the 308 for moose at 1,000 yards??!!
Cat

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by chuck

Who here will volunteer to stand in front of a 30-06 at 1000 yards? I know I certainly wouldn’t and given the choice I don’t think an elk would either.

Here's an option .. A man sized target at 1000 yds. - Shoot 10 rounds with a hunting rifle in field conditions, your choice of cartridge.

I give you $100.00 for every hit in the vitals .. you give me $20.00 for every miss.

[Norwest Alta]

You know chuck I don't think no truer words have been posted than your 35 and 36 post.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Here's an option .. A man sized target at 1000 yds. - Shoot 10 rounds with a hunting rifle in field conditions, your choice of cartridge.

I give you $100.00 for every hit in the vitals .. you give me $20.00 for every miss.

We are not talking about hitting or missing. We are talking about it’s ability to kill. If you can’t hit the target you won’t kill anything. If you can the 30-06 will certainly do the job.

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

People are defending the use of the 308 for moose at 1,000 yards??!!
Cat

Yes. I can’t say moose specifically but yes definitely people make claims of its effectiveness at a thousand yards.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Yes. I can’t say moose specifically but yes definitely people make claims of its effectiveness at a thousand yards.

I know it's accurate, (I shoot Palma match rifles are in .308) but to take a shot on a moose at 1,000, I dunno.
Cat

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I know it's accurate, (I shoot Palma match rifles are in .308) but to take a shot on a moose at 1,000, I dunno.
Cat

I have no experience pushing a cartrige to its maximum effective range on an animal. What is the maximum effective range of a 308?

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

I have no experience pushing a cartrige to its maximum effective range on an animal. What is the maximum effective range of a 308?

The cartridge itself?
if it can be put in the right place I am sure it will kill at 1,000, the problem is getting it into the right spot is the problem .
Keeping the bullet supersonic at that range to where it's accuracy is still effective is one thing, wind and light are another thing, both come into play big time , light effects the shooter more than some realize.

Too many variables in place for me to try a kill at 1,000, I'll stick to steel and paper at 1,000 at which I can make a reasonable account of even with my tired eyes and broken up body ......
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by chuck

Horse feathers. The 30-06 is not a slouch.

You are misinterpreting my post. I wouldn't shoot any cartridge at a big game animal at 1000 yards.

Here's an option .. A man sized target at 1000 yds. - Shoot 10 rounds with a hunting rifle in field conditions, your choice of cartridge.

I give you $100.00 for every hit in the vitals .. you give me $20.00 for every miss

Forget the man sized target, male the target the vital zone of a big game animal.

It takes a bullet placed in the vitals with enough remaining velocity to expand , to make a clean kill on a big game animal, and the number of people that could get this done consistently, wouldn't be very large. I can only wonder how many people would place their pay check on accomplishing this 90% of the time with the first shot.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Yes. I can’t say moose specifically but yes definitely people make claims of its effectiveness at a thousand yards.

With a 200 gr bullet a 30-06 will deliver approx. 1800 lbs of energy to 400 yds. At 1000 yds it should make an effective Big Game round ? Not very effective as I see it.

[shooter12]

Thank you guys for your replies!
The reason I asked about that question is about 8 years ago I was hunting in Northern Alberta in the late November .
It was - 15 and absolutely no wind evening .Half an hour before sunset the heard of cow elk started to come up from the bushes from the opposite side of the field around 1000-900 away from where I was , moving along the bushes and getting a bit closer .The closest they were was around 850 yards.
15 minutes before the end of legal time 3 very nice bulls come out from the same bushes and started to follow their cows , very slowly ,feeding on their way.
At least one of them was 7X7 trophy class bull, and 2 were at least 6x6.
There was absolutely no way to get any closer in the 10 inches crunchy snow.
I had my 300 wsm with Leupold vx3 that I was very comfortable to put 5 out of 5 in 5 inch circle at 500m . That was done repeatedly at my local shooting club while practicing before the season, and should they be withing this range or a bit more I would have pulled the trigger no questions asked.
I also have 3 30-06 that could do the same at the same range in no wind condition.
Now I am thinking to convert one of this 30-06 into a long range rifle , that's why opened this thread.

I am always trying to get as close as possible and killed many animals with the bow so really know my limitation and would not shoot until 100% sure it could be done.

So the question is still remaining!
Who has experience with 30-06 to accomplish such hunt?

[JD848]

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[shooter12]

I can only wonder how many people would place their pay check on accomplishing this 90% of the time with the first shot.

I would be one of them

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by shooter12

Thank you guys for your replies!
The reason I asked about that question is about 8 years ago I was hunting in Northern Alberta in the late November .
It was - 15 and absolutely no wind evening .Half an hour before sunset the heard of cow elk started to come up from the bushes from the opposite side of the field around 1000-900 away from where I was , moving along the bushes and getting a bit closer .The closest they were was around 850 yards.
15 minutes before the end of legal time 3 very nice bulls come out from the same bushes and started to follow their cows , very slowly ,feeding on their way.
At least one of them was 7X7 trophy class bull, and 2 were at least 6x6.
There was absolutely no way to get any closer in the 10 inches crunchy snow.
I had my 300 wsm with Leupold vx3 that I was very comfortable to put 5 out of 5 in 5 inch circle at 500m . That was done repeatedly at my local shooting club while practicing before the season, and should they be withing this range or a bit more I would have pulled the trigger no questions asked.
I also have 3 30-06 that could do the same at the same range in no wind condition.
Now I am thinking to convert one of this 30-06 into a long range rifle , that's why opened this thread.

I am always trying to get as close as possible and killed many animals with the bow so really know my limitation and would not shoot until 100% sure it could be done.

So the question is still remaining!
Who has experience with 30-06 to accomplish such hunt?

Your shooting ability is very commendable but I think your consideration of a 30-06 ctdg as a potential Game getter at much more than 400 yds may require some re-thinking. At that same distance your .300 WSM would be a much better choice. At extreme ranges, sometimes you just have to let them walk.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by shooter12

Thank you guys for your replies!
The reason I asked about that question is about 8 years ago I was hunting in Northern Alberta in the late November .
It was - 15 and absolutely no wind evening .Half an hour before sunset the heard of cow elk started to come up from the bushes from the opposite side of the field around 1000-900 away from where I was , moving along the bushes and getting a bit closer .The closest they were was around 850 yards.
15 minutes before the end of legal time 3 very nice bulls come out from the same bushes and started to follow their cows , very slowly ,feeding on their way.
At least one of them was 7X7 trophy class bull, and 2 were at least 6x6.
There was absolutely no way to get any closer in the 10 inches crunchy snow.
I had my 300 wsm with Leupold vx3 that I was very comfortable to put 5 out of 5 in 5 inch circle at 500m . That was done repeatedly at my local shooting club while practicing before the season, and should they be withing this range or a bit more I would have pulled the trigger no questions asked.
I also have 3 30-06 that could do the same at the same range in no wind condition.
Now I am thinking to convert one of this 30-06 into a long range rifle , that's why opened this thread.

I am always trying to get as close as possible and killed many animals with the bow so really know my limitation and would not shoot until 100% sure it could be done.

So the question is still remaining!
Who has experience with 30-06 to accomplish such hunt?

Sounds like it was not the right conditions for you to take the animal. If you are meant to get it, then it will happen under ethical conditions. If it outside of that, enjoy the moment without the kill. We cant always get what we think we want.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by shooter12

I can only wonder how many people would place their pay check on accomplishing this 90% of the time with the first shot.

I would be one of them

After tracking a wounded elk or two thru the bush and snow I sure wouldn't. I guess what ever floats your boat. Good luck.

[marky_mark]

If your converting it to a long range rifle
Then spend the money and get it reamed to a 30 nosler
At 500 yards that’s when your bullet starts dropping like a rock
And at 1000 yards your bullet lacks the energy and velocity for consistent bullet expansion..
Too many things to list that should be considered before even attempting a 1000 yard shot at an animal

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Your shooting ability is very commendable but I think your consideration of a 30-06 ctdg as a potential Game getter at much more than 400 yds may require some re-thinking. At that same distance your .300 WSM would be a much better choice. At extreme ranges, sometimes you just have to let them walk.

In real life what has the wsm got over the '06? Not much from nearest I can tell.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by shooter12

I can only wonder how many people would place their pay check on accomplishing this 90% of the time with the first shot.

I would be one of them

If you are that sure of your shooting at 1000 yards 8nder field conditions, why do you even need another rifle?

[oiler_nation]

Originally Posted by shooter12

I really want to know how it was done with 30-06 and what to expect in the field

....alot of wounded and unrecovered game I would expect.

[shooter12]

So if you are that sure of placing a bullet in the vitals at 1000 yards, why didn't you attempt a shot at 850 yards?

I thought I explained it.
My rifle set up was vx3 with Boone @Croket 550-600 yards max what I could get out of it. I did not attempted the shot because this set up was not up to the task , no dial turrets only ballistic reticles.

[shooter12]

You edited your post elkhunter11
That I answered

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

In real life what has the wsm got over the '06? Not much from nearest I can tell.

Velocity

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Velocity

150-200 fps gonna make noticeable difference? In my real world not much.