30-06 for long range elk moose

[shooter12]

JD848
Honestly , I am not sure what you were trying to say here .
Don't go hunting ?Don't hurt animals?
I got one thing , that eating them is a good thing though..
Right?

[JD848]

Originally Posted by shooter12

JD848
Honestly , I am not sure what you were trying to say here .
Don't go hunting ?Don't hurt animals?
I got one thing , that eating them is a good thing though..
Right?

You asked about what others opinions on long range shooting with a 30 06 if it could be done ,sure it can,but 90 percent tell you it's not good plan.but yet,you go on about bows,and long range neck shots bleeding to death by blowing out their main arteries ,so I figured I would try and tell you something about ethics ,but you don't get what others are trying to tell you.As far as my post I said love to hunt but a very clean and fast precise kill where I leave no room for error or back away without having second thought.

You take your 3006 and go wipe out ever thing in your path,from wood ticks to elaphants,i have zero to discuss with some one with a one track mind,how can I explain if you don't understand,no more I give and should not even posted,along with the ringling leader that posted terminal ballistics and you think this deal is 100 percent that's printed. Noah was 420 years old when he built the ark and 120 years to finish,plus the other perKs like two of every animal,don't you think that's a pretty big project of a very large magnitude for a guy 430 years old,if you walk up to partially mentally challenged person and tried to explain he would think your nutz and give you good shake of the head from side to side ,just like some guys on here that are not mental ,but still shaking their heads in disbelief .

[Dick284]

6 pages and the OP only hears what he wants.

let this thread die gang, it's like is some kind of perverse merry go round you'll never get off of.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Dick284

6 pages and the OP only hears what he wants.

let this thread die gang, it's like is some kind of perverse merry go round you'll never get off of.

I lost my grip and just went azz over tea kettle through the sand and grass...

[Don_Parsons]

It is said that the low end of. "Not shabby" bullet expansion is around 1600 ft-per seconds.

Not all bullets, but some.

There are lots of 30/06 that can just reach this category at 600 to 800M,,, again give or take how hot the load is coming out of the muzzle.

The next 30/06 that pushes that gap is the 30/06 AI,,, it adds "roughly 150 ish ft-per seconds on some bullets.

I'm guessing at this,,, a 7mm Mag tops that followed by the 300 mags and so on.

My last 4th rifle was a 300 Weatherby Mag. It along with many other cartrages are distant pushers.

I was lucky once that a medium size bull elk give its self up at distance for me. The 300 did what it was suppose to.

Would I try this with the 30/06 I'm Harvesting this year,,, maybe to the max of max at 400M,,, but nothing past that.

It is said that the 30/06 with most combinations of bullets will produce a excellent wound channel.

My normal proven harvest bullets were Speere semi pointed round nose 190gr flat base.

Big frontal impact on the thick hide,,, the soft jacket would flatten out and the rest of the energy transfer is damage.

This year I'm trying Hornady ELD-X Hunter 178gr.
It's said they work good in the 400m range to... I dont know yet since I've been chasing empty tracks. LOL.

If I see the track maker past my capped limit, then it lives for another day.

This I call free game and chase. Each person chooses what they need to do.

Part of harvesting is choosing what and how we want to address our harvests.

Don

[Slash8]

Originally Posted by Dick284

6 pages and the OP only hears what he wants.

let this thread die gang, it's like is some kind of perverse merry go round you'll never get off of.

Amen to that.......

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Dick284

6 pages and the OP only hears what he wants.

let this thread die gang, it's like is some kind of perverse merry go round you'll never get off of.

Ain't that the truth!


I'd be willing to bet we don't see a thread later this fall on how he drops an elk at 900yds....... or next fall, or the fall after that, or the fall after that, or the fall....

[Pathfinder76]

There was more logic, feelings, grammar and sentence structure wounded on this thread than elk or moose.

[purgatory.sv]

Better here than in the field.

[Pathfinder76]

I know it helps me sleep better at night.

[Don_Parsons]

Originally Posted by chuck

I know it helps me sleep better at night.

^^^ if we don't have to walk the 1000 yards before starting the tracking.

My best sleeps happen when I snuggle up close to the furry kind. LOL

Don

[shooter12]

6 pages and the OP only hears what he wants.

let this thread die gang, it's like is some kind of perverse merry go round you'll never get off of.
__________________
There are no absolutes

Dick284
It was nice having you here.
All the best!

[shooter12]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Ain't that the truth!


I'd be willing to bet we don't see a thread later this fall on how he drops an elk at 900yds....... or next fall, or the fall after that, or the fall after that, or the fall....

This year I have already used my tag , so you will definitely win the bet .
And the following year you might win it too as I will not be looking specifically for 900 yds shot to prove something to someone, and more likely will get my elk with a bow ,but again , who knows...

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by shooter12

This year I have already used my tag , so you will definitely win the bet .
And the following year you might win it too as I will not be looking specifically for 900 yds shot to prove something to someone, and more likely will get my elk with a bow ,but again , who knows...

I hope you realize there is good reason NOBODY is using a 30-06 as a dedicated long range hunting rifle.

0-500yds, the 30-06 is a great choice.

[srs123]

Energy wise u might be able to push 800 yards, accuracy and bullet drop though are another matter. If u can consistently shoot 30-06 at long range and hit ur targets , then go for it.


I usually dont take a shot farther than 200 yards with my06 since i lack the dacilities to practice long range shots.


But generally many other calibers would be more humane

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

I hope you realize there is good reason NOBODY is using a 30-06 as a dedicated long range hunting rifle.

0-500yds, the 30-06 is a great choice.

i would suspect that the 30-06 is a front runner for most benchrest records set.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i would suspect that the 30-06 is a front runner for most benchrest records set.

And in benchrest, all that is required is that the bullet punch a hole in a piece of paper.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And in benchrest, all that is required is that the bullet punch a hole in a piece of paper.

there are lots of long range hunting rigs in 308.

i have one and it hasn't let me down (not that i've hunted with it in the last few years)

[shooter12]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

I hope you realize there is good reason NOBODY is using a 30-06 as a dedicated long range hunting rifle.

0-500yds, the 30-06 is a great choice.

The thing is , as I stated before , I have very enough experience shooting 30-06 up to 500 meters with hunting bullets of any kind and know for sure that it is a very capable round at that distance.
My shooting experience with 308 and 300 mag up to 1000meters is only with a match bullets or FMJ which I will not use for hunting , but I know that can hit at those distances pretty consistently .
So for me there is a gap from 500 to 1000 m in practicing with a good .308 hunting bullets and taking animals with it .The longest I shot was at 600 yds with 300 wsm and it was a clean kill.
I mentioned before that have 3 30-06 , one of them has been siting for a along time in my safe for over ten years without any use , so I was hoping to use it as a long range gun.
But looks like I should better sell it and get something bigger

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i would suspect that the 30-06 is a front runner for most benchrest records set.

Benchrest?

I'm not talking about banging gongs, I'm talking about killing critters.

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i would suspect that the 30-06 is a front runner for most benchrest records set.

I doubt any ‘06 records in long range benchrest. Couldn’t find the “records” calibers .... but did look at International Benchrest Shooters Nationals 1000 yard results for both heavy and light gun categories in 2016 & 2017. Not a single ‘06 in the top 50 finishers. Most of the top dogs in LR BR are running 6mm / 6.5mm. A quick look at the top 50 suggests that the venerable 6 Dasher is mentioned close to 1/3 of the time.

In 600 yard International Benchrest, if you don’t bring a 6BR or 6 Dasher, you may as well stay home.

Given the shot placement record of the 6 Dasher ... and we all agree that is the main issue... maybe....

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by shooter12

The thing is , as I stated before , I have very enough experience shooting 30-06 up to 500 meters with hunting bullets of any kind and know for sure that it is a very capable round at that distance.
My shooting experience with 308 and 300 mag up to 1000meters is only with a match bullets or FMJ which I will not use for hunting , but I know that can hit at those distances pretty consistently .
So for me there is a gap from 500 to 1000 m in practicing with a good .308 hunting bullets and taking animals with it .The longest I shot was at 600 yds with 300 wsm and it was a clean kill.
I mentioned before that have 3 30-06 , one of them has been siting for a along time in my safe for over ten years without any use , so I was hoping to use it as a long range gun.
But looks like I should better sell it and get something bigger

You don't necessarily need bigger, you need faster.

Most hunting bullets recommend an 1800fps speed for proper expansion to cause terminal damage upon impact. Find a caliber that allows for better BC's with a reasonabley heavy bullet that can retain its energy down range. Then choose a cartridge that can deliver that speed down range.

For low recoil, long range hunting calibers, my top two picks would be 7mm and 6.5mm in that order. Any of the 7mm magnums will make good long range hunting rifles, that's why you see so many of them. A 7mm mag will throw a 180gr bullet 1000yds and still be flying right around 1800fps and still be packing over 1200ftlbs of energy. In comparison, your 30-06 throwing a 165gr bullet will be doing around 1200fps and have around 500ftlbs of energy.

Very little difference in recoil, huge difference in performance.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Salavee

He's not near as bad as the Dozey Creep that encouraged that .243 shot and was idiot enough to put it up on YT. He must want to be another New Age idol.

I agree ....

It's not about what you do see on the internet, which is the successful sniper kills of game animals at long range distances it's what you don't see on the internet.

How many guys do you think "erased the tape" after setting up their you tube episode, talking to the camera like hot shots, then taking the shot at some super long range distance, only to horribly wound an animal which hobbles away without a leg or gets gut shot low and further back only to bleed out 3 days later? that stuff usually doesn't make YouTube.

Taking a shot at those distances take practice, knowledge, good equipment and good shooting conditions. That's the only way you have a chance at making an ethical kill.

[260 Rem]

I'm going to take the ethics out of the equation and start another thread dealing exclusively with "the shot".

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

I doubt any ‘06 records in long range benchrest. Couldn’t find the “records” calibers .... but did look at International Benchrest Shooters Nationals 1000 yard results for both heavy and light gun categories in 2016 & 2017. Not a single ‘06 in the top 50 finishers. Most of the top dogs in LR BR are running 6mm / 6.5mm. A quick look at the top 50 suggests that the venerable 6 Dasher is mentioned close to 1/3 of the time.

In 600 yard International Benchrest, if you don’t bring a 6BR or 6 Dasher, you may as well stay home.

Given the shot placement record of the 6 Dasher ... and we all agree that is the main issue... maybe....

haha ya i'm sure it wasn't in 16 or 17. i'm talking way way back in the land before time when the 30-06 was the hottest new thing

[Don_Parsons]

Here's another good read for those that are interested in the Hyper Shock idea and how it came about.

Hard to imagine that a wounded Deer shot from a 30/06 got this company underway.

https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...-rifles-today/

The limited selections of bullets at the time played a big part in this,,, I suppose down range velocities to.

What ever it was,,, Naa,,, I'll let the readers solve the mystery.

From limited range 30/06 shooter Don

[abbgdr]

It may not be hypershock but with a 300 gr bullet the 340 Wby has as much energy at 500 yds as the old 06 has at the muzzle,,

[Don_Parsons]

At least there are options to choose from in this day of age.
After the war years there wasn't alot of general public funds floating in the common man's / gal's pockets.
There was how ever lots of surplus military stuff left over that was now up for sale... Just happened to be a lot of 30/06 rifles for sale,,, down in the USA. This "might" of been the largest movement of war surplus stuff that happened in the Americas.

The famous 30/06 just happens to be one of these items.
Folks snapped them up at a frugal price and headed out to harvest some critters,,, the selection of ammunition was limited back then, so one needed to spot their distance and place their shot.
Even then the famous 30/06 cartrage was not the big game hunting rifle folks thought it was.
Limited range and poor bullet expansion,,, at least when distance come into play.

A new age was born

A few things were playing out now.
Wildcater folks were either designing new cartrages or trying to improve what the had.

The above post talked about what Roy Weatherby did to improve things in the critter harvestsimg world.

A fellow named Ackley took on the challange to Improve the 30/06 along with many other cartrages,,, the AI was born.
Gibbs had the same idea as Ackley, but his idea was lengthen the rifle throat where as Ackley went after the case shoulder angle.
Both ideas seem to add a fraction more punch for the old school 30/06,,, not a lot,,, just more.

It was affordable to do this back then. $18 to $30 that most gun smiths would charge,,, and most folks got a custom sporter wood stock put on at the same time. Around $45 to $60.

Still a lot of money back in those days, but a newer fancy rifle was going to cost you $119 or $187 if you were looking at the Remington line up.... The Weatherby's would of started well into the $200 +++.

The above prices varied from state to state, provinces, territories and country.

Any how,,,,.the AI and Gibbs idea was an option,,, not so much today since a person can sell their 30/06 and add a few more funds to buy a rifle and cartrage that will reach out there.

This by no means is not saying the 30/06 is out of the race.
Today's powders, endless selections of bullets, quality of rifles depending on a person's accuracy levels and optics have brought the 30/06'a up to the next level.

Maybe not like the big bores, but not less than the small cartrages out there either.

The old school cartrage can take on most tasks,,, just like the 303's, 243/6mm, 270, 7mm's, 300 and 338 mags,,, not near as proficient...

The options are endless, possibilities, opportunities and what ever are available for those that wish to push the 30/06 to its limits or what it can handle.

No AI or Gibbs for me since the Ought-6 is what it is.
Simple plane, bland, but reliable.

If I wanted a power house, I'd go back to my 300 Win or Weatherby days,,, but I'm past that.

Just enjoying the simple things in the great outdoors is all I need,,, most folks kinda fit that category.
Some more, others less.

At least the old dog offers one thing,,, the opertunity to harvest with in its limits depending on the hands it is held by.

Don

[Speckle55]

Here is the chart

again here is the effective range of rifles

Cartridge Maximum effective range[35]
7.62×39mm 600 m
5.56×45mm 600 m [36]
7.62×51mm (.308 Winchester) 800 m
7.62×54mm R 800 m
.30-06 Springfield 800 m
7 mm Remington Magnum 900–1,100 m
.300 Winchester Magnum 900–1,200 m
.338 Lapua Magnum 1,200-1,500 m
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO)
12.7×108mm (Russian) 1,500–2,000 m
14.5×114mm 1,800–2,300


Here is a couple of long range kills I did (pic's) .. mill cuts ..not 30-06

I have a BDC on scope

975 yds Bull Moose .. laser ranged years later
1200 yds Mule Deer

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...e+shots&page=3

I, however, view ethics as an individual decision. My ethics are mine - and I won't explain or justify them to anyone else. I seek nobody's approval, just that of my own conscience. "



as always this is

Food for thought

David

ps the first gun I bought was a 30-06 Rem 742 semi

here is a perfect day at 1000 yds enjoy & free hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_rod25bG_s

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...79F4&FORM=VIRE

Originally Posted by shooter12

Hello guys!
Was wondering if anyone had experience using 30-06 to bring down big animals like elk and moose at extended ranges.
By extended I mean 600-1000 yards .
What bullets did you use ?
What was your scope ?
I am familiar with 300 mags performance well enough .

But what about 30-06?
Is it up to the task or I should throw it out of my head and go back to 300 mags?

Thanks in advance.
S12