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Old 08-13-2019, 11:20 AM
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Post Hunting Companies Respond to Recent Ban on Urine-Based Deer Lures

US sourced, but does address many of the concerns related to CWD and the use of urine based lures:

https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/ne...sed-deer-lures

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I personally think hunters should learn to hunt without all these products. In my eyes anyone that uses 'products' to "hunt" isn't a true hunter.
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Using captive deer urine is not worth the disease risk to our wild deer.
I fully support banning the sale of deer urine for any use other than drinking.

Regardless of the disease concern, IMO, any person who believes that deer are WILDLIFE would not support the living conditions and stress these animals experience just so people can buy their pizz.

If you must, use synthetic pee or your own.
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Didn’t feed trost do a big expose on this years ago?
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Didn’t feed trost do a big expose on this years ago?
I remember that and if memory serve me(long time ago),he got spanked for proving your own pee works just as good.
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I think he got sued for a lotttttt of money
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I personally think hunters should learn to hunt without all these products. In my eyes anyone that uses 'products' to "hunt" isn't a true hunter.
So, you disapprove of game calls ?

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I think I tried doe **** once
Don’t think it did anything
I always try to be down wind so I don’t think I would want animals to intentionally put the wind in their favour
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I personally think hunters should learn to hunt without all these products. In my eyes anyone that uses 'products' to "hunt" isn't a true hunter.
What’s a “product” and what’s not???

Pretty sure your modern powders and copper jacketed bullets are a “product”.
Same goes for your boots vs moccasins.
Your scope, your down-filled jacket, your wool socks, all the way down to your cotton underwear and scent free body wash.
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So, you disapprove of game calls ?
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I just feel that 'hunters' are relying way too much on so many products to supposedly make their hunts successful. I know that hand held blown calls require a person to practice their skill using them so it is not the same as pre-recorded electronic calls. I have seen hunters with hand held or mouth calls scare the animals away that they were trying to attract so it is a practiced skill.

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What’s a “product” and what’s not???

Pretty sure your modern powders and copper jacketed bullets are a “product”.
Same goes for your boots vs moccasins.
Your scope, your down-filled jacket, your wool socks, all the way down to your cotton underwear and scent free body wash.
Good point. To clarify what I deemed products I meant food attractants, store bought scents, and items that take the skill away from the hunter learning and improving his or her hunting skills. Having an animal come in to a smell or food requires no skill. You can have all the bullets you want and camo garb and moccasins, with out skill they will do you no good.

Long term these products could result in hunters not requiring any skill. Do you want to pass down your hunting knowledge or is it ok to sum hunting up in a bottle of pee, electronic call or food attractant?

In the past I did try doe pee, with success, for a very elusive buck but it did make me reflect on that fact that I didn't take time to learn about that buck's patterns and habits. I did shoot that deer but it hardly felt like a true hunt.

If we want to preserve our hunting heritage we have to be very careful with what we let hunting become. If is just attracting animals and shooting them it no longer is hunting.

The definition of hunt is:
-pursue and kill (a wild animal) for sport or food.
-a search.

Sitting over a bait pile or smell attractant or electronic call is hardly hunting.
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I personally think hunters should learn to hunt without all these products. In my eyes anyone that uses 'products' to "hunt" isn't a true hunter.
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I just feel that 'hunters' are relying way too much on so many products to supposedly make their hunts successful. I know that hand held blown calls require a person to practice their skill using them so it is not the same as pre-recorded electronic calls. I have seen hunters with hand held or mouth calls scare the animals away that they were trying to attract so it is a practiced skill.

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Good point. To clarify what I deemed products I meant food attractants, store bought scents, and items that take the skill away from the hunter learning and improving his or her hunting skills. Having an animal come in to a smell or food requires no skill. You can have all the bullets you want and camo garb and moccasins, with out skill they will do you no good.

Long term these products could result in hunters not requiring any skill. Do you want to pass down your hunting knowledge or is it ok to sum hunting up in a bottle of pee, electronic call or food attractant?

In the past I did try doe pee, with success, for a very elusive buck but it did make me reflect on that fact that I didn't take time to learn about that buck's patterns and habits. I did shoot that deer but it hardly felt like a true hunt.

If we want to preserve our hunting heritage we have to be very careful with what we let hunting become. If is just attracting animals and shooting them it no longer is hunting.

The definition of hunt is:
-pursue and kill (a wild animal) for sport or food.
-a search.

Sitting over a bait pile or smell attractant or electronic call is hardly hunting.
Some would say not be up close and personal with a stick and string is hardly hunting...

Like really, how hard is it to line something up in the crosshairs and squeeze
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:15 PM
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I just feel that 'hunters' are relying way too much on so many products to supposedly make their hunts successful. I know that hand held blown calls require a person to practice their skill using them so it is not the same as pre-recorded electronic calls. I have seen hunters with hand held or mouth calls scare the animals away that they were trying to attract so it is a practiced skill.

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Good point. To clarify what I deemed products I meant food attractants, store bought scents, and items that take the skill away from the hunter learning and improving his or her hunting skills. Having an animal come in to a smell or food requires no skill. You can have all the bullets you want and camo garb and moccasins, with out skill they will do you no good.

Long term these products could result in hunters not requiring any skill. Do you want to pass down your hunting knowledge or is it ok to sum hunting up in a bottle of pee, electronic call or food attractant?

In the past I did try doe pee, with success, for a very elusive buck but it did make me reflect on that fact that I didn't take time to learn about that buck's patterns and habits. I did shoot that deer but it hardly felt like a true hunt.

If we want to preserve our hunting heritage we have to be very careful with what we let hunting become. If is just attracting animals and shooting them it no longer is hunting.

The definition of hunt is:
-pursue and kill (a wild animal) for sport or food.
-a search.

Sitting over a bait pile or smell attractant or electronic call is hardly hunting.
What position is your pinky finger in when you drink tea or coffee?

I guess if you pattern a deer over a farmers field or food source that is not the same as a bait pile.
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