Petition E-1093 (FIREARMS) Members of the Canadian Firearms Committee MUST have a PAL

[8x68S]

I apologize if this a duplicate thread but I didn't see it listed anywhere. The petition is circulating on a few other forums.

Please sign this petition!

"We, the undersigned, residents of Canada draw the attention of the House to the following: That given that the Minister of Public Safety’s unelected Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee will shape the future of firearm regulation in our country, its members must adequately understand and represent the very people affected by its recommendations, being Canada’s shooting community. Therefore, your petitioners, call upon the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness to require individuals appointed to the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to have earned their Possession and Acquisition License (PAL), without which they lack a baseline understanding of the activities they are tasked with regulating."
Link:
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-1093

[Newview01]

Good to see this.

I would also propose that the committee own firearms.

[Scott N]

It's only common sense if you ask me.

[elkhunter11]

It is only common sense, but will likely happen is that a CFO will sign off their competency, so they don't have to take the course, and the government will pay for the PAL, so there will be no benefit at all.

[RBI]

Originally Posted by Scott N

It's only common sense if you ask me.

Common sense that they should ......I think its " cow duty " ...big big piles ...of steaming dodo ! if they don't .

[RBI]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

It is only common sense, but will likely happen is that a CFO will sign off their competency, so they don't have to take the course, and the government will pay for the PAL, so there will be no benefit at all.

Its a shame , but you're probably right .

[8x68S]

bump....need to pass outside of the firearms forums. Not all PAL holders will be aware of this.

[EZM]

Petition signed ......

[Alephnaught]

Very reasonable measure. Signed & giving this a ride back to the top.

[Boogerfart]

Signed, be interesting to see how far it goes.

[wack99]

Signed

Jason

[Okotokian]

" its members must adequately understand and represent the very people affected by its recommendations, being Canada’s shooting community. "

I think the PAL requirement is a great idea, but there's a hole in your argument that they will latch onto... The committee doesn't represent just the shooting community, and gun laws don't only affect the shooting community. The committee's mandate is to weigh public safety and individual rights.

"The Committee will consist of up to 15 members. It will include individuals who are civilian firearms users, knowledgeable law enforcement officers, public health advocates, representatives from women’s groups, and members of the legal community."

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c...ac/tor-en.aspx

Interestingly, they DIDN'T single out First Nations as a designated group to be represented. That seems odd, and out of character for this government. I would assume First Nations would be pretty pro-gun.

[MAC]

New appointees

Annie Buchan – Member of the Pauktuutit Board of Directors

First Nations’ women’s advocate with no public stance on firearms regulation, but is likely to support further regulation.
Ron Bonnett – President of the Canadian Federation of Agriculture

Farming and agriculture advocate with no public stance on firearms regulation.
James (Jim) Couch – President of Ducks Unlimited, and sports shooter and hunter

Wetland and waterfowl conservation advocate. Ducks Unlimited supported the elimination of the long gun registry but remains silent on the greater issues of gun regulation in Canada.
Suzanne Jackson – Chair of the Board at the Canadian Public Health Association (CPHA)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed to Bill C-391; an early attempt to terminate the long gun registry.
Paul Pageau – President of the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians (CAEP)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed to Bill C-391; an early attempt to terminate the long gun registry.
Paulette Senior – Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Women’s Foundation

Former head of the YWCA in Canada. Presided over the YWCA during the YWCA’s membership in the Coalition for Gun Control. Opposed to efforts aimed at eliminating long gun registry.
Clive Weighill – Past President of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed the elimination of the long gun registry by supporting then CACP President (and now sitting MP) Bill Blair.


Seems pretty unbalanced as 5 are antigun and only 2 would seem to be pro.

MAC

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by MAC

New appointees

Annie Buchan – Member of the Pauktuutit Board of Directors

First Nations’ women’s advocate with no public stance on firearms regulation, but is likely to support further regulation.
Ron Bonnett – President of the Canadian Federation of Agriculture

Farming and agriculture advocate with no public stance on firearms regulation.
James (Jim) Couch – President of Ducks Unlimited, and sports shooter and hunter

Wetland and waterfowl conservation advocate. Ducks Unlimited supported the elimination of the long gun registry but remains silent on the greater issues of gun regulation in Canada.
Suzanne Jackson – Chair of the Board at the Canadian Public Health Association (CPHA)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed to Bill C-391; an early attempt to terminate the long gun registry.
Paul Pageau – President of the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians (CAEP)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed to Bill C-391; an early attempt to terminate the long gun registry.
Paulette Senior – Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Women’s Foundation

Former head of the YWCA in Canada. Presided over the YWCA during the YWCA’s membership in the Coalition for Gun Control. Opposed to efforts aimed at eliminating long gun registry.
Clive Weighill – Past President of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP)

Representative of an organization that is identified as a member of the Coalition for Gun Control and vocally opposed the elimination of the long gun registry by supporting then CACP President (and now sitting MP) Bill Blair.


Seems pretty unbalanced as 5 are antigun and only 2 would seem to be pro.

MAC

Though there are more members than that. They list 10 on their website. I figured it was about 5 to 5... at best....

[MAC]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Though there are more members than that. They list 10 on their website. I figured it was about 5 to 5... at best....

Yes 10 in all these are just the 7 add ins to the Chair John Major and co-chairs
Nathalie Provost (spokesperson for anti-gun group PolySeSouvient) and Olympic athlete Lynda Kiejko.

I reckon its more like 3 pro to 6 anti. I dont know where John Major sits.
John will listen to who appointed, but will be fair, in my opinion.

MAC

[Hagalaz]

15,000+ signatures, including mine.

[Zuludog]

Signed

[ETOWNCANUCK]

That's like saying those that sit on a Transportation Committee have a driver's license.

Having a PAL or any other such documentation does not make the person with it more inclined to be in favour of firearms.

I have a library card,
Doesn't mean I really care what happens to books.

Unfortunately it comes down to who can sell the better argument.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

That's like saying those that sit on a Transportation Committee have a driver's license.

Having a PAL or any other such documentation does not make the person with it more inclined to be in favour of firearms.

I have a library card,
Doesn't mean I really care what happens to books.

Unfortunately it comes down to who can sell the better argument.

Face Palm

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Face Palm

My thoughts exactly

[colroggal]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

That's like saying those that sit on a Transportation Committee have a driver's license.

Having a PAL or any other such documentation does not make the person with it more inclined to be in favour of firearms.

I have a library card,
Doesn't mean I really care what happens to books.

Unfortunately it comes down to who can sell the better argument.

Having a pal will mean the members should be able to tell the difference between a evil black mini-14 and a tame and safe mini-14 with blued metal and a wooden stock.

Signed

[gunsight]

signed

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by colroggal

Having a pal will mean the members should be able to tell the difference between a evil black mini-14 and a tame and safe mini-14 with blued metal and a wooden stock.

Signed

Not inn the least-- remember thee gun writer who advocated banning bllack guns, who was it, Zumbo I think?

Just because you have a PAL or RPAL does not mean you advocate for all types of guns, and as was stated it will be countered that these people have all citizens in mind not just gun owners.
Cat

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by colroggal

Having a pal will mean the members should be able to tell the difference between a evil black mini-14 and a tame and safe mini-14 with blued metal and a wooden stock.

Signed

Unfortunately that doesn't mean the they can tell the difference between a person such as ourselves who would use the firearm for good,
As opposed to the criminal who will use it for bad.

So long as that is the opposing arguments , whether they have a PAL or not will not matter.

Our constitution unlike the U.S. does not give us the right to bare arms.

The weekend warrior who goes hunting one or two weeks a year ,
Pales to the gangbanger who carries one around in the waistband of his shorts.

Rules and policies and everything exist only for those who will follow it.

When you have more people that will believe that they shouldn't have to follow the rules,
Those that do will always be the ones to be punished.

Having a PAL will not make those on the committee anymore likely to be in favour,

[takeiteasybird]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Having a PAL will not make those on the committee anymore likely to be in favour,

No, but at least it might provide some insight to the procedures we already have in place and perhaps provide some basic education on firearms. Not sure why would anyone oppose that?

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by takeiteasybird

No, but at least it might provide some insight to the procedures we already have in place and perhaps provide some basic education on firearms. Not sure why would anyone oppose that?

Because a criminal doesn't require it.

And that is what gun owners are up against.

Wouldn't matter what education about firearms anyone has,
So long as there are nuts behind the triggers.

And you don't necessarily need to be a criminal to commit offences with a gun.

Also not all legal gun owners are as adept as we all want them to be.

Accidents wouldn't happen then.


It's attitudes that need to change,
And you don't get that in an 8 hour course at your local gun range.

[takeiteasybird]

I see you're point. I guess I had a more hopefull outlook on this thinking there could be "moderates" within the committee that would benefit from a bit more exposure to firearms and the licensing procedure.

[gpgriz]

They've likely found out that if they have a PAL, that they'll be subjected to "continuous eligibility screening" like the rest of us PAL holders.
They're not going to want to be scrutinized harder than sex offenders are...

[Bub]

If they take the course the way it is done now and see what the exam and whatnot is like, you can expect stricter regulations, imo. Unless things changed in the past few years. If I remember correctly, it took me about 5 or 6 hours to have my papers ready to be sent in for my restricted license. There was also a guy who could not read and had hard times understanding some basic concepts and even he passed.