New Info on EV damage to roads

[Moe]

Hhhhmmmm, this just came up on one of my feeds today. There is always another side to something. I always thought the EV tax was all politics and seems to be.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/driv...rder-on-roads/

[Dean2]

So, one more clear example of main stream media pushing the government green agenda. What happened to balanced reporting and proper research.
EVs are heavier than regular cars but OH WAIT! not as heavy as a Petertbuilt, thus EVs they aren't the problem. Completely ignores the fact everything else pays road tax through licenses and fuel. If there are no ICE vehicles left, who pays for the roads? Since EV are heavier than ICE, why are they not paying HIGHER road taxes than ICE cars?

Final paragraph of the story goes to those pushing EVs.

“Now is not the time for an EV tax; it’s a time to be promoting adoption,” Joanna Kyriazis, director of public affairs at Clean Energy Canada, a clean energy think tank at Simon Fraser University, said in an email. “Health Canada estimates the socio-economic costs are some $120-billion, due to air-pollution-related health impacts per year, which gas-powered vehicles contribute to significantly – and EVs help to alleviate – so the costs of each vehicle type to society aren’t equal.”

The degree to which the media has degenerated into paid messengers is concerning.

[densa44]

I just returned from a very warm country (city Santiago Chile) and they are selling EV cars as fast as the Chinese can build them. Taxing gas (fuel) seemed to be a very fair way of a user pay system for road building and maintenance.

Now there is a new vehicle that it is not readily apparent how to chrge them for road use. Well be better think of some ways and soon because one of the selling features right now is the fact that you are not taxed for fuel.

How much of what is paid at the pump is tax?

Is there a way with modern technology to know how many KMs these EVs drive on our roads? I don't think that $200 will cover it but I could be wrong.

Does anyone know?

[jungleboy]

Toll roads will likely be the future and internal combustion vehicle owners will get get to pay twice, cuz. They’re evil.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Toll roads will likely be the future and internal combustion vehicle owners will get get to pay twice, cuz. They’re evil.

But Bilodeau wants to stop building roads, maintenance cuts could be next.


Grizz

[Trochu]

While it's obvious that EV aren't contributing to the "road tax" through the sale of gasoline, an EV being harder on the road because it is heavier would be similar to saying a bicyclist is harder on the road than a pedestrian.

[WayneChristie]

guard rails arent designed strong enough to stop Evs how much will it cost to upgrade a few million miles of them too?

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

But Bilodeau wants to stop building roads, maintenance cuts could be next.


Grizz

He didn’t say he wouldn’t still collect road taxes in any and all forms possible

[Au revoir, Gopher]

Originally Posted by Moe

Hhhhmmmm, this just came up on one of my feeds today. There is always another side to something. I always thought the EV tax was all politics and seems to be.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/driv...rder-on-roads/

Regardless of whether or not EVs are harder on roads, they don't pay any road tax. Why should they get a free ride?

ARG

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Trochu

While it's obvious that EV aren't contributing to the "road tax" through the sale of gasoline, an EV being harder on the road because it is heavier would be similar to saying a bicyclist is harder on the road than a pedestrian.

It’s the same formula for road bans and heavy trucks in spring. Heavy vehicles cause road damage.

Maybe they need to start mandating all EVs over a certain weight be fitted with a tag axle to distribute the weight better ,thus causing less damage.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Au revoir, Gopher

Regardless of whether or not EVs are harder on roads, they don't pay any road tax. Why should they get a free ride?

ARG

The socialist/green supporters ignore that part of the article.

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by Au revoir, Gopher

Regardless of whether or not EVs are harder on roads, they don't pay any road tax. Why should they get a free ride?

ARG

agree

USE THE ROADS YOU HELP PAY FOR THEM

[Strait Shooter]

Originally Posted by densa44

I just returned from a very warm country (city Santiago Chile) and they are selling EV cars as fast as the Chinese can build them. Taxing gas (fuel) seemed to be a very fair way of a user pay system for road building and maintenance.

Now there is a new vehicle that it is not readily apparent how to chrge them for road use. Well be better think of some ways and soon because one of the selling features right now is the fact that you are not taxed for fuel.

How much of what is paid at the pump is tax?

Is there a way with modern technology to know how many KMs these EVs drive on our roads? I don't think that $200 will cover it but I could be wrong.

Does anyone know?

Easily done, electric vehicle mileage could be accessed through data collection of the onboard computer. If Fed. govt. mandated the manufacturer record and share the info. collected each year with them, they could tax distance travelled by each vehicle within a year to the km. Seems fair, the more you drive, the more road tax you pay.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Strait Shooter

Easily done, electric vehicle mileage could be accessed through data collection of the onboard computer. If Fed. govt. mandated the manufacturer record and share the info. collected each year with them, they could tax distance travelled by each vehicle within a year to the km. Seems fair, the more you drive, the more road tax you pay.

Sure GREAT friggin idea.And when the gov decides you can only drive 5000 klms a year, then what. Talk about accelerating the 5 minute City WEF nonsense. They have already said the ultimate goal is NO private vehicles, mass transit only.

Anyone that actually trusts government with ever more interventionist, individualized tax and control REALLY has not been paying attention the last 8 years.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Sure GREAT friggin idea.And when the gov decides you can only drive 5000 klms a year, then what. Talk about accelerating the 5 minute City WEF nonsense. They have already said the ultimate goal is NO private vehicles, mass transit only.

Anyone that actually trusts government with ever more interventionist, individualized tax and control REALLY has not been paying attention the last 8 years.

Exactly, once we are disarmed, they control our finances, our travel, and what we can say or hear, they have total control over us.

[tirebob]

I am a fan of making EV owners pay their fair share of road taxes to be sure, but in all reality, heavier does not mean worse in all instances. Pounds per square inch of pressure being applied to the road surface is the more tell tale issue, and that comes down to the width of tires that the weight is being spread across. The wider the tire, the less weight is being transferred down to the surface per square inch. That's just physics.

I see a lot of EV's on a regular basis come through our shop and most of them have quite wide tires compared to similar dimensioned comparable ICE vehicles so I think the weight issue is not as bad as it is being portrayed here. Not saying every EV is set up as such, but weight is not the reason to be asking for them to pay for their fair share of road tax. Fairness is the best reason.

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by tirebob

I am a fan of making EV owners pay their fair share of road taxes to be sure, but in all reality, heavier does not mean worse in all instances. Pounds per square inch of pressure being applied to the road surface is the more tell tale issue, and that comes down to the width of tires that the weight is being spread across. The wider the tire, the less weight is being transferred down to the surface per square inch. That's just physics.

I see a lot of EV's on a regular basis come through our shop and most of them have quite wide tires compared to similar dimensioned comparable ICE vehicles so I think the weight issue is not as bad as it is being portrayed here. Not saying every EV is set up as such, but weight is not the reason to be asking for them to pay for their fair share of road tax. Fairness is the best reason.

agreed

YOU USE THE ROAD YOU HELP PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Cement Bench

agree

USE THE ROADS YOU HELP PAY FOR THEM

That should go for bicyclists as well.

[Smoky buck]

Just throw a large enough fee on the registration of EVs to cover road maintenance

So let’s see we need to upgrade EV technology to make them viable for winter use, we need to upgrade the grid to supply the power they will demand, and we need to upgrade our roads or increase maintenance do to the extra wear

Sounds like a lot needs to be figured out to make EVs a viable alternative still

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Moe

Hhhhmmmm, this just came up on one of my feeds today. There is always another side to something. I always thought the EV tax was all politics and seems to be.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/driv...rder-on-roads/

What info is new? Why would users paying a tax to use the road be politics?

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Just throw a large enough fee on the registration of EVs to cover road maintenance

So let’s see we need to upgrade EV technology to make them viable for winter use, we need to upgrade the grid to supply the power they will demand, and we need to upgrade our roads or increase maintenance do to the extra wear

Sounds like a lot needs to be figured out to make EVs a viable alternative still

It would be simpler and more effective to upgrade the government.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

It would be simpler and more effective to upgrade the government.

I think that is something majority of AO would agree on except for the odd troll of course

[NCC]

I don't remember much from my civil engineering classes but I do remember that road designers don't take any light traffic into consideration when designing a highway. They're designed for heavy trucks.

That said, the road taxes don't just pay for repairing roads. Someone has to pay for the initial construction, design, salting, snow plowing, signs, sign replacement, guard rail replacement, etc. There's no reason the EV drivers shouldn't pay their share to use the road.

I know guys who have been checked for dyed gasoline while quadding out west so the government can't pretend the fuel taxes are solely to cover road damage.

[MyAlberta]

I’d support a weight based tax for roadways, but only if it was applied to all vehicles. I’d support a squack tax for anyone breaking traction in an intersection, and another for those drips that soften asphalt. Those rutted intersections aren’t from EVs, nor is the Henday rubble field.

Tire Bob has a reasonable observation. Add to that, EVs have advanced traction control that minimize road rash. Directed more at tire wear and control, but with a nice side effect.

[W921]

When I was a little kid if I rode my bicycle on the road I would get cursed at and threatened and that was by strangers. If my parents found out I would really be in for it because what I was always told. I'm not paying for registration or fuel tax so I had no right to be on the road.
I hate EVs. Charge them even more than regular cars.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

That should go for bicyclists as well.

They should also have to carry insurance. With all the bike lanes that they are 'investing in' there should be some sort of fee so bike riders could pay their fair share of roadway costs too?

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

But Bilodeau wants to stop building roads, maintenance cuts could be next.


Grizz

Maybe that's why Trump is talking about flying cars?

[CNP]

There aren't any "road taxes" in Alberta. There is a fuel tax which presumably goes into a general revenue pot. A portion of which goes to fund our roads.

Alberta’s fuel tax is applied to purchases of fuel, including gasoline, diesel, propane (for motive purposes), aviation fuel, locomotive fuel and renewable fuels.

The provincial fuel tax revenue goes into general revenue and is used to fund priority government services like health, education and infrastructure.

Fuel tax relief program
Alberta suspended the collection of the provincial fuel tax on gasoline and diesel between January 1, 2023 and December 31, 2023, saving Albertans 13 cents per litre at the pump. The oil price-based fuel tax relief program will be reinstated effective January 1, 2024. The fuel tax will be applied at a reduced rate of 9 cents per litre on clear gasoline and clear diesel products until March 31, 2024. Marked gasoline and marked diesel tax rate remains at 0 cents per litre.

Alberta’s government will review the fuel tax rate on a quarterly basis and may increase or decrease depending on the average price of West Texas Intermediate.

Yes EV's are getting a free ride in AB until...

The Alberta government says it will implement an annual $200 registration tax on EVs starting as early as January 2025. EV drivers will still have to pay the province's existing vehicle registration fee as well. Plug-in hybrid vehicles are exempt.

(100 X .13) 52 = 676. If you burn 100L of gas every week with fuel taxed at .13 per L, your fuel tax is $676 for the year. A far cry from a $200 EV tax. 100L a week is just a swag. Your mileage may vary

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

guard rails arent designed strong enough to stop Evs how much will it cost to upgrade a few million miles of them too?

This needs to be repeated.
The general public is not aware of this issue.

It's not just EVs, but heavier vehicles in general.

[nast70]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

guard rails arent designed strong enough to stop Evs how much will it cost to upgrade a few million miles of them too?

This ^^^
there was a story about this on a news fee not that long ago...

https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/0...20per%20charge.