reloading 410

[treeroot]

I'm going to take a shot at reloading 410 shells without a press. I've watched a few videos and it seems quite straightforward.

I'm looking to reload for grouse.. Looking to reload 2 1/2 inch shells with #6 or #7 lead shot.

Couple questions for those with more experince..
-what powder should I be looking for?
-how much powder ?
-1/2 ounce of shot?
-what is everyone using for wads?
-what primers?

Here's the video I think I will follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gWXaP04QA

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by treeroot

I'm going to take a shot at reloading 410 shells without a press. I've watched a few videos and it seems quite straightforward.

I'm looking to reload for grouse.. Looking to reload 2 1/2 inch shells with #6 or #7 lead shot.

Couple questions for those with more experince..
-what powder should I be looking for?
-how much powder ?
-1/2 ounce of shot?
-what is everyone using for wads?
-what primers?

Here's the video I think I will follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gWXaP04QA

Get a Shotshell loading manual and follow the recipes and information provided. I have the Lyman 5th edition which has loads of great information. I really think it is a must have.

That said. H110 powder would be a good place to start or if you want to be adventurous try black powder

[Dick284]

X2 on getting a loading manual.
H110 and Win 296 are the front runners for powders.
Primers, wads and hulls are critical in loads, don’t mix and match them up.

[Pioneer2]

Lots of free data Hodgdon etc no need to buy a manual right away. Buy Claybuster generic Winchester wads at twice the quantity for the same price. Be aware there are AA wads for the old style hull and Win AAHS for the new style. Win 296 and H110 require Fed 209A primers.PM me if you can't find any. Without a press muddies the water somewhat....like swimming without arms.

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Lots of free data Hodgdon etc no need to buy a manual right away. Buy Claybuster generic Winchester wads at twice the quantity for the same price. Be aware there are AA wads for the old style hull and Win AAHS for the new style. Win 296 and H110 require Fed 209A primers.PM me if you can't find any. Without a press muddies the water somewhat....like swimming without arms.

Have to disagree on the primers. My Lyman 5th addition Shotshell manual has recipes for several different hulls using H110 and 296 with Win. 209,CCI. 209 ,Rem209P along with Fed.209A

[elkhunter11]

I use AAHS hulls, 110/296, Fed209A, and no issues with over 10,000 rounds fired. But I use a MEC 9000 press, which easily does 250-300 rounds per hour.

[catnthehat]

No matter the system you use, be it manual press, progressive, or totally by hand, use a manual and stick to it . It is the easiest way to stay safe and load good ammo.
Cat

[treeroot]

Forgive my ignorance since I'm new to this..

If all I want to do is reload 410 2 1/2 shells with #6 or #7 shot, why can someone not just give me their recipe for that load? Like the shell, powder type and weight, wad, shot weight etc..

I'm not opposed to buying a set up and a manual if I was going to reload more than one specific round, but I'm just wanting a 410 shell for chickens. About 50 rounds a year is what I need. I'd buy the shells, but I can't find any 410 to buy..

Again forgive my ignorance as I'm just looking for the simplest solution to my problem

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by treeroot

Forgive my ignorance since I'm new to this..

If all I want to do is reload 410 2 1/2 shells with #6 or #7 shot, why can someone not just give me their recipe for that load? Like the shell, powder type and weight, wad, shot weight etc..

I'm not opposed to buying a set up and a manual if I was going to reload more than one specific round, but I'm just wanting a 410 shell for chickens. About 50 rounds a year is what I need. I'd buy the shells, but I can't find any 410 to buy..

Again forgive my ignorance as I'm just looking for the simplest solution to my problem

It depends on your cases you are using right off the bat.
After you choose the hull, you have to chose a compatible wad, not all wads are compatible with all hulls as there are different types of hulls.
you can have some big pressure swings using different primers with the same hull and wad , that is why often you will see a different powder charge listed.
As far as powders go, they vary greatly as well, and some do not do well if varied too much in charge weight.
Cat

[Dewey Cox]

Do you have the hulls already?
If you're buying everything, bilozir fine guns carries all that stuff. He can give you a recipe and all the ingredients to make it.

[vic1]

If you want a load data, go to Hodgeon reloading site and look under shotgun reloading. I'm not sure about 410 but they are many for 12 gauge.

[Dick284]

What everyone forgets about with the printed manuals is the material in the first few chapters. It discusses the choice of components, why data is the way it is, and that’s where the education begins, if you care to read those first chapters.

A couple of my manuals also have tech tips for different shotshell presses, and how to fine tune things like the final crimp.

[hansol]

From another site:

HODGDON WEBSITE RELOADING CENTER:

2-1/2" WIN HS Hulls:
1/2 oz shot 15.3 grs 296 1200 fps 8,900 PSI
1/2 oz shot 16.3 grs 296 1250 fps 9,300 PSI
1/2 oz shot 16.7 grs 296 1300 fps 10,400 PSI


3" WIN HS Hulls:
11/16 oz shot 15.3 grs 296 1125 fps 12,200 PSI
11/16 oz shot 15.8 grs 296 1150 fps 12,800 PSI
11/16 oz shot 16.3 grs 296 1175 fps 13,500 PSI

I like CCI primers.

Better idea would be to go to hodgon's website and see what they have.

Your biggest problem will likely be crimping. Might want to check out a roll crimper that you can chuck up in a drill.

[Pioneer2]

Makes a roll crimper that will make nicer crimps with no press for plastic hulls.Overshot cards can be punched from waxed paper milk cartons. Cheditte hulls and Stretch wads make the .410 a 30 yard gun in a FC.

[oldgutpile]

not sure what the shipping would be like, but "The Gun Dealer" in New Brunswick has Challenger 2 1/2" shells in stock right now at 25.99

[wallz]

Or just use brass 444 marlin shells and not worry about crimping, or resizing.

Just add a shot card and some glue on the top.

Lots of great recipes out there on line.

I'll be using 15 gr H110, wad, 1/2 oz 6 shot and top card, for shooting in my 444 single shot rifle when I'm on a walk without my 22.

[jungleboy]

I got fooling around in the garage today and made this little 410 reloading kit .
The roll crimper isn’t perfect but it works. I used a 7/16 socket and drilled it out to size. I drilled the drive side out to accept a piece of steel rod and then welded in place. Then drilled into the side and used a piece of 3/32 drill bit to sort of mimic the bps roll crimper.which I welded in place. This was a cheap socket so fairly easy to drill.
Had some Delrin laying around which I drilled for a decamping block and also a hole big enough to accept a hull when I figure out a resizing die.
Made the decapper from a piece of shafting from a hydraulic lift from a hatchback. Cut it to length and then put it in the drill press and filed the threaded end to size. It automatically centres in the hull to drive out the primer
The capping tool is just a piece of tubing from an air fitting that by luck was the right diameter for the inside of the hull but fits over the primer so no risk of hitting the primer when tapping it in.
The overshot card is just cereal box cardboard which I punched with a cheap princess auto set of hole punches .( to be honest I used a laser cutter to cut out several hundred cards 🙂 but a hole punch would totally work , just slower )

Sort of based on the same concept as the old Lee hand loader . Primitive ,but it works and if you are loading only a box or two a year it should work just fine. I may revisit the roll crimper though as it looks like it will be a little rough on the hulls .


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[Pioneer2]

Mag Tech brass cases.

[fps plus]

I assume most don’t want to give an exact “recipe “ and “how to” due to the fact if you have an incident they can’t be blamed. There is lots of good info available in print . It’s not difficult to reload but if not done properly bad stuff can happen .

[jungleboy]

Well my roll crimper was a fail. It looked ok but it deformed the hull enough that it made it difficult to chamber in both my break actions.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Well my roll crimper was a fail. It looked ok but it deformed the hull enough that it made it difficult to chamber in both my break actions.

Do you want to borrow a BPI roll crimper to get an idea of the dimensions, or do you have one, Jungleboy?
Cat

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Do you want to borrow a BPI roll crimper to get an idea of the dimensions, or do you have one, Jungleboy?
Cat

I don’t have one but it’s not critical. I’m just fooling around. I could order one ,I’m just being cheap I could never duplicate it anyways as I don’t have a lathe.

[dgl1948]

I have a Lee Loader in 410 I may let go for the right offer.

[petew]

my 410 reloads are with Magtec brass cases , Goex black powder . I use the 410 data from a black powder manual and load the brass cases as if they were a muzzle loader 410.

The only real tool I use is a primer seater , the rest is done with a dowel and a punch.