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No it surprisingly doesn't get out of the way.
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No it surprisingly doesn't get out of the way.
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how does tape get out of the way? expanding gases blow it away before the bullet arrives right?
but i just want to be clear, if i was water and i didn't compress for no body i wouldn't move.
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No it surprisingly doesn't get out of the way.
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Interesting. Years ago I was messing around with my 3006 and 110gr Vmax and H4831. Although it was listed in the Hornady book, the powder was way too slow and would actually leave a bunch of unburned kernels in my barrel. This was discovered after about a dozen rounds. Then I would dump the barrel between shots. I am thinking that those hard kernels would have damaged the barrel far before a drop of water would have. Gun still averages 1.5". Not better or worse than it ever did.
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how does tape get out of the way? expanding gases blow it away before the bullet arrives right?
but i just want to be clear, if i was water and i didn't compress for no body i wouldn't move.
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Silly. You are made of 70% water. That means that 70% wont move out of the way for anyone. The other 30% though is a spineless wussy that runs from everything.
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If using that logic any obstruction should simply be blown out the barrel with out any damage
Why bother putting any tape on?
Tape is not in the bore.
Feel free to pour some water , oil or solvent or any other liquid in and fire your rifle .
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If using that logic any obstruction should simply be blown out the barrel with out any damage
Why bother putting any tape on?
Tape is not in the bore.
Feel free to pour some water , oil or solvent or any other liquid in and fire your rifle .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MA1IFKwdAQ
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Silly. You are made of 70% water. That means that 70% wont move out of the way for anyone. The other 30% though is a spineless wussy that runs from everything.
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i'm 70% invincible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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If using that logic any obstruction should simply be blown out the barrel with out any damage
Why bother putting any tape on?
Tape is not in the bore.
Feel free to pour some water , oil or solvent or any other liquid in and fire your rifle .
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You would think that if such a small amount of water would cause damage, the world would be littered with discarded barrels. You would also run across more extreme cases where a small amount got in and there was some form of catastrophic event. I just tried to look up water damaged bores and didn't really get anything back other than stuff related to corrosion. Corrosion prevention is probably the biggest reason for putting tape over the muzzle I am thinking.
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I did a little more digging and this damage was done from 1 single drop of water apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkz_Zuo8g0U
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I may have to disagree. I think the dimension of the muzzle is often much smaller than the chamber end. It would fall out of the action.
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Teehee! Not when it's blank!
It happens, but I'm pretty sure that the FIL would have noticed that right from the get go.
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My problem with saying "one drop of water" is quantifying that when hunting in those conditions. Some guys have the rifle slung muzzle up the whole hunt (even in the rain). The description also mentioned that there could have been some other blockage.
Done a bit of hunting and shooting in the rain and snow without having the muzzles covered. I also try not to use the gun as a rain barrel when I do it, though. Seems if one drop would do it, then I would be a good candidate for having a bunch of split/bulged barrels.
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Over the years I see several rifle barrels every year that are damaged . And yes it is a very small amount that may cause damge.
I can not say it happens every time there is a bit of moisture in the bore but can definetly say it doess occur.
Water has a surface tension and a drop or two will usually just hang in the inside of the muzzle . It doesn't form an even coat though the length of the barrel .
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i know guys that have messed up barrels with water because they put tape over the muzzle.
cold gun comes in from outside condensation occurs but can't be wiped off on the inside of the bore and they assume it's fine because the bore is sealed. so the barrel goes in mid day and out again promptly for afternoon hunting and boom not so free of moisuture...
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I have a barrel I'll donate to the cause when I'm done hunting this season. I'm certain though that it has had moisture in it and shoots as good as any with the milage it has.
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I have a barrel I'll donate to the cause when I'm done hunting this season. I'm certain though that it has had moisture in it and shoots as good as any with the milage it has.
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Just a barrel or do we need to find an action too?
And now does anyone have an air gauge?
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I don't believe this at all, unless of course someone went for a swim with it and left the tape on.
What is Messed Up?
Any fluid in the bore would be displaced, not equally of course, but I've never seen a barrel damaged by it.
Are you just talking corrosion?
]i know guys that have messed up barrels with water because they put tape over the muzzle.
cold gun comes in from outside condensation occurs but can't be wiped off on the inside of the bore and they assume it's fine because the bore is sealed. so the barrel goes in mid day and out again promptly for afternoon hunting and boom not so free of moisuture...[/QUOTE]
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Just a barrel or do we need to find an action too?
And now does anyone have an air gauge?
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It's on an action for now. I will hunt with it this season but it will be it's last.
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Just a barrel or do we need to find an action too?
And now does anyone have an air gauge?
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An air gauge would not find the damage. X ray would be the only NDT to find the problem.
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An air gauge would not find the damage. X ray would be the only NDT to find the problem.
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It would measure bulging
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You don't need an air gauge. Pushing a soft slug through the barrel manually should be telling, by feel.
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You don't need an air gauge. Pushing a soft slug through the barrel manually should be telling, by feel.
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It would measure bulging
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We are looking for distortion of possibly one of the lands, there would not be a change in the internal volume as this is about 1 single drop of water. If you think the barrel is going to bulge from a drop of water then you should also believe the mother ship is behind the comet and be sure to drink all of the purple Kool Aid.
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We are looking for distortion of possibly one of the lands, there would not be a change in the internal volume as this is about 1 single drop of water. If you think the barrel is going to bulge from a drop of water then you should also believe the mother ship is behind the comet and be sure to drink all of the purple Kool Aid.
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^^^ and this. I actually had to laugh when this scenario that a single drop of water had bulged a barrel. There are those who always have a story (made up of not) to solidify such silly claims. 
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You don't need an air gauge. Pushing a soft slug through the barrel manually should be telling, by feel.
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defend that thesis. i almost measured anything. 
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We are looking for distortion of possibly one of the lands, there would not be a change in the internal volume as this is about 1 single drop of water.
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an air gauge is capable of measuring far less than a drop of waters volume, 50 millionths of an inch should be detectable by most.
if we measure before and after and something has moved in any direction we'll know it.
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an air gauge is capable of measuring far less than a drop of waters volume, 50 millionths of an inch should be detectable by most.
if we measure before and after and something has moved in any direction we'll know it.
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Do you think 0.00005" of movement would happen? Seems pretty big.
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What does this mean? Are you channeling Purgatory or Pal Don?
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Do you think 0.00005" of movement would happen? Seems pretty big.
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barrel manufacturers only make sure that a barrel is within 0.0005" to 0.0001"
so one would assume that 0.00005" would be insignificant to accuracy.
i think the basis of this test should be to determine if a drop of water can make a serious detrimental impact on accuracy
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This should be on Myth Busters, or AFV, or SNL.....any of those will do.
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everyone is welcome to their opinion .
Are the barrels that I have to cut and crown due a deformation in a the grooves and lands magically appearing . Sometimes its 360 degrees damage sometimes a portion of a land or any variation thereof. Damage is usually from the crown to aprox 1\2 inche from muzzle.
If you feel confident its nonsense feel free to take an eye dropper and put a drop or 2 in the muzzle of you guns and give it a test .
While proof testing loads and doing pressure test we took a cooey 12 ga and put wet tissue paper in the bore to see what would happen . End of barrel was split wide open.
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