Lucky,a great shot,or B.S.?

Below is a post from a thread on Weatherby rifles.Is this guy just luckt to have three factory rifles that consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups at 200 yards,is he some accuracy magician,or is his claim B.S.?

I have a 243 ULW, a 7mm-08 SPM, and 338-06 SBGM All of them are pretty much the same thing.

I don't get it when people say they don't shoot well. My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better. The 338-06 and 243 are right there with it.

His response to someones post about custom rifles that shoot better for the same price..

Will that custom your having built cheaper than $1000 shoot inside a half inch at 200yrds? All of mine do, bone stock factory with handloads though, although never shot factory ammo in them.

[Dick284]

What a couple lucky 3 shot groups and voila Weatherby's are the be all end all.(nuttin against WTHBY's)
I'd like to see him drive 1/4moa groups on 3 diffrent days with say 3 -3 shot groups on each day. Then I'd bite, but until them. "Even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut."

He did use the word "consistently".To me that means that he is claiming that most of his 200 yard groups are sub 1/2".

[SakoAlberta]

My vote would be 'BS'.

Here is a link to the thread.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...page/1/fpart/4

[sbtennex]

Originally Posted by SakoAlberta

My vote would be 'BS'.

Ditto - that's HIAH consistently. 3 very different calibers in 3 different rifles? Not likely. The wife would probably call them 6 inch groups

[SakoAlberta]

Originally Posted by stubblejumper

Here is a link to the thread.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...page/1/fpart/4

link didn't work for me. I'm on the campfire too. What thread is it under?

Hunting rifles,Pros or cons weatherby ultralights.

[Buckhead]

I'd say that fellow is smoking a few too many funny smelling cigarettes.

[Donny Bear]

Don't know I have one of 4 rifles that will shoot under .500 all day Im sure of it at 100 yards just I can't consistently shoot as well as the rifle.

BS

Don't know I have one of 4 rifles that will shoot under .500 all day Im sure of it at 100 yards just I can't consistently shoot as well as the rifle.

Having owned many rifles over the years,only a few factory rifles have consistently shot 1/2" or better at 100 yards.One was a Smith&Wesson 1500 varmint in .223.It averaged less than 1/2" for five shots at 100 yards,and cost me $330 when Lovetts in Ontario closed out their store.Factory 1/2" at 100 yards hunting rifles are rare enough,but I have yet to see a factory hunting rifle that would consistently shoot sub 1/2" at 200 yards with hunting loads.

Ya, 1/4 MOA is hard to believe from three factory rifles and is the guy really capable of shooting that well? I know I'm not, not at 200 yards anyhow. It does seem a bit far fetched.

[kyle6969]

i have a custom 270 win and a 243 and also a 17hmr that can all shoot that good

[sbtennex]

Originally Posted by kyle6969

i have a custom 270 win and a 243 and also a 17hmr that can all shoot that good

That's a little tough to swallow to be honest. It's possible to get a .25 group at 100 yds with a .17, but to extend that to less than .500" at 200 is bordering on impossible. Rare enough to find any ammo, particularly centerfire, that can do that, let alone rifles - no matter how customized

[Donny Bear]

Maybe its two of the four the 30-06 is a ruger and is far from factory
the other my sons factory 243 savage model 11 youth it is scary accurate kinda makes me mad when I know what I have spent on the others but still wont break down and buy another savage its about feel and ego I think. Given that I am still talking 100 yards and great conditions, 200 yrds consistantly boy I wish.

[SakoAlberta]

Originally Posted by sbtennex

That's a little tough to swallow to be honest. It's possible to get a .25 group at 100 yds with a .17, but to extend that to less than .500" at 200 is bordering on impossible. Rare enough to find any ammo, particularly centerfire, that can do that, let alone rifles - no matter how customized

Having done a fair bit of shooting beyond the 100 yd mark, I find it interesting from personal experience, experience of others and reading that a .25" 100 yd rifle doesn't always translate into a .5" 200 yd rifle.

Simple math (trig) would dictate that it should be true, however, I have observed that, sometimes, the rifle does a little better than the .5" group at 200 yds. (or, more commonly, a 1" 100yd rifle might do slightly better than 2" @ 200 yd)

Anybody else have this experience?

I have been told, and, having a physics background myself, it makes some sense, that the most inaccurate part of the bullets flight will be the first few yds due to the vibrations the bullet has from the muzzle blast and barrel harmonics, etc. After that, the bullet's vibrations lose amplitude and allow the bullet to travel a truer line.

I'd say most of it has to do with the optics and shooter at that point. Picking the exact same POA each time is far more difficult at 200 yards than 100...especially with typical hunting scopes.

[SakoAlberta]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

I'd say most of it has to do with the optics and shooter at that point. Picking the exact same POA each time is far more difficult at 200 yards than 100...especially with typical hunting scopes.

I agree , Sheep. However, my observations(sometimes), with good optics and a bench, are the opposite of what I would expect given that reason. I have seen rifles(some of mine) that will do about an inch at 100 yds but will group somewhat under 2" at 200 yds. If it was just shooting skills/limits of optic the group would be over, not under, 2".

[LongDraw]

It is laughable

Guys claim this .25" all day long, consistently, bugholes, yada yada yada.....

They should enter a BR shoot, if this was the case they would win against guys that spend upwards of 3K on a bench gun, lots of load development, etc...All with a factory gun???

I was born during the day, but not yesterday.

[SakoAlberta]

LongDraw. Exactly!!

I once fired a 5/16"(five shots) group @ 100 yds with my stock 77/22 and federal target ammo(which it loves). Is it an accurate combo? You bet! Is it a 5/16" .22? Not very likely!

Originally Posted by SakoAlberta

I agree , Sheep. However, my observations(sometimes), with good optics and a bench, are the opposite of what I would expect given that reason. I have seen rifles(some of mine) that will do about an inch at 100 yds but will group somewhat under 2" at 200 yds. If it was just shooting skills/limits of optic the group would be over, not under, 2".

Hmmm...good question.

[Buckhead]

Yes, decreasing MOA is possible. Bullets leaving a muzzle not only spin but oscillate - sometimes on several different axis.

It is possible to shoot say 1" groups at 100, 1.5" at 200 or say 2" at 300, with the ame bullet and load. This would be decreasing MOA.

It is however not possible to shoot a smaller group size at 200 or 300 yards than at 100. This would mean the shooter or optics is at fault.

Check out the site below. This explains it better than I ever could.

www.the-long-family.com/bullet_dispersions.htm

[SakoAlberta]

Originally Posted by Buckhead

It is however not possible to shoot a smaller group size at 200 or 300 yards than at 100. This would mean the shooter or optics is at fault.

Agreed. MOA can decrease but the group size certainly shouldn't.

[SakoAlberta]

BTW, sorry if I've HJed this thread. I'd still have to see the .25" groups from the three hunting rifles before I'd be a believer.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by LongDraw

It is laughable

Guys claim this .25" all day long, consistently, bugholes, yada yada yada.....

They should enter a BR shoot, if this was the case they would win against guys that spend upwards of 3K on a bench gun, lots of load development, etc...All with a factory gun???

I was born during the day, but not yesterday.

Ain't gonna happen, and if it does, I'll be the FIRST to lay down money AGAINST this wanker.
This was so laughable I didn't even respond on the 'fire.
he should post that in the precision rifle forum or on benchrestcentral.com and see what happens.

I'd put one of my palma rifles up against this fella, and I wouldn't worry about it for a second, let alone a short range BR rifle.
Cat

[Bushrat]

I've shot a few BR shoots and if that guy can shoot like he says with his weatherbys then there is no need for anyone else to show up with their specialized $6000 rigs. Have never seen a weatherby ever listed in any equipment lists at these shoots but next year I expect to see a lot of them.

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[wind drift]

Scope parallax can be a factor that causes differences in relative group size at various ranges. Some scopes are parallax-free at 100yds, while others are at 150 (Leupolds for example). Still others have parallax adjustment capability. Really consistent shooting form, with a consistent cheek position on the comb of the stock, helps make parallax a non-issue at any range.

[209x50]

it takes a lot of optics to shoot little tiny groups at 200 or 300 yards. The rifle (any of mine!) is usually far more capable than the shooter (yep that fits) just because of what sheep said, a shifting POA.

[Tundra Monkey]

I'm callin BS....1/2" groups at 200 with a 6lb set up. Maybe I'm just jealous that I can't shoot as well as him....or as well as my 257 in the same rifle for that matter

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