Draws

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

You are assuming that the success rates would be that same with more hunters. But that’s just an assumption. When they are determining the number of tags available, f&w has to assume that all of the people drawn are going to hunt and they would be assuming the same percentage of those hunters are successful. Truth is you can interpret the info you get from harvest reports both ways. If the harvest reports show that people are successful a higher percentage than anticipated. It could mean that they are shooting more animals than they thought and taking more out of the population than they like. Orrrrr it could also indicate that their surveys are wrong and there is more animals in that zone than they thought. It would take a lot of time for that data to provide a accurate sample of the population. Then throw in unregulated harvesting, bad winters, predation, etc. It’s a crap shoot.
Judging by how they manage the antelope hunt in Alberta they won’t be changing the number of draws based on hunter report success rates for a while.

I totally understand where your coming from with your argument

So if you have 25% more hunters after the same animals, do you not think that they will kill more animals? And every year that they kill more animals, means larger cuts in future tag numbers to restore the population

[RZR]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

This is your solution?
So your saying if I buy a whitetail tag, I can’t hunt a general elk? Or a general sheep tag?
Or if I get a mule deer doe tag. I can’t hunt a buck at the same time?
Makes sense 👎

You got it! It makes you pick what you really want to hunt that year and will put more quality animals out there. Then those that want to apply for every draw can’t. It will stop the ones who put everyone of their family (who don’t hunt) members in every draw. It’s really nice you stopped flappin your gums long enough to read that. So this year I think I will buy and general sheep tag and draw my Mulie tag as I now have enough priority, then for my son we will purchase a whitetail tag and build his priorities as he doesn’t have enough priorities to draw anything. Then my other son will buy an elk tag and draw his pronghorn tag as he has enough priority for that tag. The wife can buy a whitetail tag and build priorities as she doesn’t have enough priority for any game as well. You see how everyone gains, my family still gets to hunt a lot of game while helping out with the overload on the draw system.

[RZR]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

2 profiles same guy?

marky mark is that you bdub!

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So if you have 25% more hunters after the same animals, do you not think that they will kill more animals? And every year that they kill more animals, means larger cuts in future tag numbers to restore the population

I understand what your saying.

There has to be a ratio for hunter success that they use right now to determine how many tags they allocate per number of animals
They cant factor in people that dont buy their draws

They dont increase number of tags the next season based on people not buying their draws either?

All it takes is one reefer truck to be filled in a wmu
Or a additional pack of wolves
Or a couple more cougars
And all of the data that they think they have becomes irrelevant

I cant see how they could possibly have an accurate count of the different species in each wmu. When they cant manage probably the easiest to count species, antelope

I do agree with you that they could cut tags very easily, and adding tags would take a very long time

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by RZR

marky mark is that you bdub!

Nope, I only use my back up profile when im suspended
I dont use it to make it seem like others are agreeing with what im saying


I get your idea
And i think that a change like that might be whats needed
I just think your taking away from peoples opportunities
And I think guys would still be able to exploit it

Theres no easy solution to this problem
But at least most of us agree that there is one

[RZR]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Nope, I only use my back up profile when im suspended
I dont use it to make it seem like others are agreeing with what im saying


I get your idea
And i think that a change like that might be whats needed
I just think your taking away from peoples opportunities
And I think guys would still be able to exploit it

Theres no easy solution to this problem
But at least most of us agree that there is one

Here’s another senerio, the same as I posted, but if you don’t want to put in any of the draws you could then hold two general tags and put in for no draws. If you think you can cheat and put in the draws and then buy two general tags that would be a no go, as when you go to purchase the second general tag the system would flag you as having put in the draws and would not let you buy the second general tag. Really does one need more than two tags, because if you do I think that would be called greedy.

[walking buffalo]

Regarding closing ports of entry for illegitimate draw applications.
Mandatory purchase of a Wildlife Certificate before applying for the draw will not only add $ directly to ACA and F&W for wildlife management, this change would make it harder for any non/anti hunter to legally enter the system legally.
The requirement to have a hunter safety course before obtaining a Wildlife Certificate will pose a barrier few will cross just to burn licences.

Originally Posted by RZR

Here’s another senerio, the same as I posted, but if you don’t want to put in any of the draws you could then hold two general tags and put in for no draws. If you think you can cheat and put in the draws and then buy two general tags that would be a no go, as when you go to purchase the second general tag the system would flag you as having put in the draws and would not let you buy the second general tag. Really does one need more than two tags, because if you do I think that would be called greedy.

According to your opinion, have you been greedy?


Do you understand Alberta hunters' role in wildlife management in terms of population management?
Do you think that the individual wmu harvest goals could be achieved under your altruistic scheme?

[bdub]

Originally Posted by RZR

marky mark is that you bdub!

Your an idiot rzr. Total idiot. What the heck do you mean by that statement? I take offence to what you are insinuating. Keep me out of your little love spat with mm.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

2 profiles same guy?

No sorry I don’t even know who the other guy is. Just another guy trying to talk some sense into you and that spending more isn’t a solution. I get what you are saying about money but spending more is never a solution. Not everyone can afford to spend more money just because you can. We need more hunters and shooters especially from the upcoming generation not less.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by RZR

You got it! It makes you pick what you really want to hunt that year and will put more quality animals out there. Then those that want to apply for every draw can’t. It will stop the ones who put everyone of their family (who don’t hunt) members in every draw. It’s really nice you stopped flappin your gums long enough to read that. So this year I think I will buy and general sheep tag and draw my Mulie tag as I now have enough priority, then for my son we will purchase a whitetail tag and build his priorities as he doesn’t have enough priorities to draw anything. Then my other son will buy an elk tag and draw his pronghorn tag as he has enough priority for that tag. The wife can buy a whitetail tag and build priorities as she doesn’t have enough priority for any game as well. You see how everyone gains, my family still gets to hunt a lot of game while helping out with the overload on the draw system.

Really?. Do you honestly feel that that ability for your family to hunt a lot Game helps anything ? That's the gist of the whole problem wer're experiencing today. None so blind as those who will not see !

[RZR]

Originally Posted by Salavee

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Really?. Do you honestly feel that that ability for your family to hunt a lot Game helps anything ? That's the gist of the whole problem wer're experiencing today. None so blind as those who will not see !

You don’t even have a clue as to what your arguing about! You and your buddy want less wait times for draws. The example I used was that out of 4 family members only one of us gained priority in the draw system, and 2 of us use our priorities on game we wanted to hunt while we couldn’t gain priorities in any other game. The way I see it is that just took a pile of pressure off the draw system which I think is what you have been crying about, so I think your the one who doesn’t get the gist of the problem that you have been babbling about.

[RZR]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

According to your opinion, have you been greedy?


Do you understand Alberta hunters' role in wildlife management in terms of population management?
Do you think that the individual wmu harvest goals could be achieved under your altruistic scheme?

Please help me understand how I’m the greedy one here. I myself and family members only get to hold two tags each from what I have explained. We all still get to enjoy the great outdoors while help alleviate the long wait times for draws that some are whining about. So with more people hunting which some say is happening your still going to meet your harvest quotas because don’t forget more people are hunting. If you think we are going to be over run with game you are sadly mistaken. If biologists are doing there job, if an area is getting over run with say mule deer they could put it on a general season for a few years and when gets back in line with what they thinks is good then back to draw it goes. It would make someone actually do there job. You probably wouldn’t remember this, but there used to be areas that were general seasons for mule deer, moose and such. So yes I think harvest goals could be met!

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by RZR

You don’t even have a clue as to what your arguing about! You and your buddy want less wait times for draws. The example I used was that out of 4 family members only one of us gained priority in the draw system, and 2 of us use our priorities on game we wanted to hunt while we couldn’t gain priorities in any other game. The way I see it is that just took a pile of pressure off the draw system which I think is what you have been crying about, so I think your the one who doesn’t get the gist of the problem that you have been babbling about.

Sure, four of you took a "pile of pressure" off the draw system. Well done !

[RZR]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Sure, four of you took a "pile of pressure" off the draw system. Well done !

How many people hunt in this province? You bo the math Einstein, so we as a whole took pressure off the draws system. Your

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by RZR

You got it! It makes you pick what you really want to hunt that year and will put more quality animals out there. Then those that want to apply for every draw can’t. It will stop the ones who put everyone of their family (who don’t hunt) members in every draw. It’s really nice you stopped flappin your gums long enough to read that. So this year I think I will buy and general sheep tag and draw my Mulie tag as I now have enough priority, then for my son we will purchase a whitetail tag and build his priorities as he doesn’t have enough priorities to draw anything. Then my other son will buy an elk tag and draw his pronghorn tag as he has enough priority for that tag. The wife can buy a whitetail tag and build priorities as she doesn’t have enough priority for any game as well. You see how everyone gains, my family still gets to hunt a lot of game while helping out with the overload on the draw system.

Math is hard. We understand.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by RZR

You got it! It makes you pick what you really want to hunt that year and will put more quality animals out there. Then those that want to apply for every draw can’t. It will stop the ones who put everyone of their family (who don’t hunt) members in every draw. It’s really nice you stopped flappin your gums long enough to read that. So this year I think I will buy and general sheep tag and draw my Mulie tag as I now have enough priority, then for my son we will purchase a whitetail tag and build his priorities as he doesn’t have enough priorities to draw anything. Then my other son will buy an elk tag and draw his pronghorn tag as he has enough priority for that tag. The wife can buy a whitetail tag and build priorities as she doesn’t have enough priority for any game as well. You see how everyone gains, my family still gets to hunt a lot of game while helping out with the overload on the draw system.

You do realize this only helps you
Right???

[Smoky buck]

Likely won’t see much change because even with this change it’s still relatively inexpensive to apply. Might see a slight decrease that will be off set by increasing hunter numbers or a loss of opportunity

[RZR]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

You do realize this only helps you
Right???

Do tell!

[58thecat]

Wow that was easy....logged in....followed directions....plugged in my draws....paid and exited under 5 minutes.....if only hunting was that easy!

[Brucez]

Cant believe so many guys want to increase the cost for drawing. Have any one think about where the money will go?

But we should give these rich guys an option, right?

Let me show another option.

For some animal that need more than 5 points to get the draw, Can we take some portion, like 10% of the tag to the lottery pool. It will be a pure lottery drawing system. For example, 151 antelope lotto draw, anybody can apply for it, and can buy as many shares as you like just as the lotto MAX. Let's say $5 a share, you can buy $5 million if you like.

For our not so rich traditional hunters, please keep the current system.

[BADBOY]

Not sure if its been mentioned, do they not have the 999 anymore, Im going for full knee replacement in August and I don't want to take a chance should something go wrong with the surgery, healing process or delayed surgery. Never used the 999 when it was in place but I don't see if there is anything to pass on my draws this year but still keep my priority or just don't enter my draw choices, sorry fellas, just cant find anything in draw book cause I never had to use it.

[Byron]

999 is no more, but there is a priority only option, use that.

[BADBOY]

Found it on the work sheet

[rca]

Originally Posted by BADBOY

Found it on the work sheet

it was mentioned in the 2018 section on "strategy"

it isn't there this yr

maybe there wouldn't be the confusion if they kept it simple, consistent

[elkhunter11]

The "priority only" option replaced 999 in 2018.