heavy for cal factory ammo chart

[Stinky Coyote]

I built one for fun. Who can post it for me? It's all hornady since they seem to get heavy for cal better than anyone else. Compares all the long time big game standards we know and love against the kids on block. Distances, recoil energy etc. One caveat is that I had to use load data tables to get a typical powder amount for the recoil energy calculations but that's the only outside data used. I used Calgary atmospheric in the hornady ballistic calculator. I will pm someone my number then can text a snap of chart for someone who can post.

The entire chart uses the heaviest for cal eld-m or eld-x you can buy off the shelf. Including 338 lapua magnum and 224 Valkyrie.

[Nyksta]

Post it up buttercup. Lets get this cartridge comparison party started

[Redneck 7]

Uh oh, this is gonna go some where, just to keep a certain crowd quite.... take out the 6.5 creedmoor. They’re already going through threads left and right talking in circles.

[Nyksta]

I think before he posts it, everyone should include what their favorite most efficient bullet load stats are so that it is a list where everyone is satisfied that the chart accurately represents their personal opinion of the best cartridge at its finest. Each time a chart is listed, the author takes time to select the best representation of their cartridge, and then quickly dumps in a bunch of chaff for everything else.

Heres my favorite load for long range

308 win. 168gr accubond long range. 46.0gr varget 2840fps BCG1 0.525 BCG7 0.265 SD 0.253

[Redneck 7]

I just have 65 gr hornady loaded for my .243 and went to Nosler for all other rifles. I do have more v max and BTHP to load up for my long range .308 but still developing a load. I’m curious though, Hornady still makes a good bullet.

[Stinky Coyote]

Lol I can't post pics...who can?

I texted the helpful cat who posted my moose pics for me...will see if he can post the chart

It's straight up data, not meant to cause a commotion, it shouldn't...

Inclund had great charts but some mix of factory vs hand loads...this 100% factory on factory spec from one manufacturer

[Huntsman]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

Lol I can't post pics...who can?

I texted the helpful cat who posted my moose pics for me...will see if he can post the chart

Here you go;

[Nyksta]

The smaller calibers definately have less recoil.

[Nyksta]

Everytime these charts come up, there's always the silent ninja 270. For such an old design, it still really does a good balancing act. If i was to ever give up short action, 270 would definately be high on the list...

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

Lol I can't post pics...who can?

I texted the helpful cat who posted my moose pics for me...will see if he can post the chart

It's straight up data, not meant to cause a commotion, it shouldn't...

Inclund had great charts but some mix of factory vs hand loads...this 100% factory on factory spec from one manufacturer

I didn’t get a text or a PM from you, do you have the right number?!
Glad you were able to get them posted though!

Cat

[Stinky Coyote]

Lol I wasn't using the cat reference that way, sorry for confusion.

Thanks Huntsman!

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Everytime these charts come up, there's always the silent ninja 270. For such an old design, it still really does a good balancing act. If i was to ever give up short action, 270 would definately be high on the list...

I'm a big 270 fan, my pet blaser k95 in 270 is amazing. It's all I would ever need but not ideal for lots of shooting or calling predators. For a repeater I've gone Grendel route but a creedmoor was next on my list. For standard short action the 7-08 or 6.5 cm would be tough to beat. Either choice as a reloader but factory ammo then easy creedmoor wins imo.

Keep in mind if you looked at most standard loads for the older cartridges...your 150 gr core-locks, silver tips, psp's etc then you'd see a far wider gap in performance to the new kids. I just thought using hornady only with the modern heavy slippery options would show the best comparisons available.

The new kids increase versatility by design, and running high bc sd allows them to do what a handful of cartridges can do for the powder you burn.

[Stinky Coyote]

I haven't even really dissected that yet. I just noticed the two kings on the hill running neck and neck and it's the 6.5 prc and the 338 lapua. About 15 ft/lbs recoil energy vs nearly 50 ft/lbs....that prc is going to become the darling 6.5 for the straight up hunters imo. It was just released this year and it's already gained huge traction...just wait.

The 6.5 cm covers off everything under it and hangs neck and neck with the 300 win mag with under 12 ft/lbs recoil energy vs nearly 27 ft/lbs. That's versatility! Shoot all day, barrel life, if one really wanted one gun option to do the most the argument is easy win for the 6.5 creedmoor.

[Stinky Coyote]

I just compared the 6 creedmoor 108 gr vs 25-06 110 gr....same same on distances but one does it with nearly 3 ft/lb less recoil and has 3rd class game potential, and in a short action too. I'm a 25-06 fan but sure opens my eyes to consider the 6cm as a serious competitor to that cartridge.

[bitterrootfly]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Everytime these charts come up, there's always the silent ninja 270. For such an old design, it still really does a good balancing act. If i was to ever give up short action, 270 would definately be high on the list...

I noticed that as well, it’s just a damn fine cartridge

[Don_Parsons]

Do you have more information on the test SC ?

[Beeman3]

Stinky. Not sure on the comparison where you said the 6.5 Creed runs with the 300 Win Mag. In a few ways I guess it does but for LR capabilities I don't see it. I ran some quick numbers on my SHOOTER program for my 6.5X47 and for my 300 Win Mag out to 1000 yds. Energy is no comparison obviously. The 6.5X47 with a 130 Berger at 2950 MV and the 300 Win Mag with a 215 Berger at 3000 MV. the X47 only has 658.8 ft-lbs at 1000 yds. the Win Mag has 1508.2 ft-lbs. Not a direct comparison to your chart as the 147 ELD-M probably has better ballistics than the 130 Berger. Also why did you not run the 225 ELD-M for the 300 Win Mag? Thought all were suppose to have the heaviest bullet available?

[Stinky Coyote]

I only ran factory ammo...

reloading opens the door to infinite possibilities

The eldm/x are hot choices currently, as is everything hornady does, so if a factory comparison was to be done it would be hornady.

I chose the heaviest eld for each caliber.

I omitted the 7 rem mag and 280, we know they would be stars, I wanted a good cross section of what we already know and love.

Reloading does to most cartridges what the creedmoor’s, Grendel, valkierie do from the factory...maximize versatility.

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by Don_Parsons

Do you have more information on the test SC ?

?

It’s just hornady factory ammo, their data, the only variable is the amount of powder I used in the recoil energy calculations...that wouldn’t change the calculation much and shows very close what the recoil will be like...close enough for comparing here. Otherwise it’s all factory ammo data in hornady’s own calculator which I’ve found pretty accurate.

[JD848]

:snapoutofi t::snapoutofit

[41thunder]

This is the first chart I have seen that has such a big emphasis on recoil energy and not bullet energy. Also, those 6.5’s seem like the cats meow. Are there any calibers that shoot them faster?

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

This is the first chart I have seen that has such a big emphasis on recoil energy and not bullet energy. Also, those 6.5’s seem like the cats meow. Are there any calibers that shoot them faster?

6.5?
Sure there is. 26 nosler, 6.5x300 wby among some òthers.

[41thunder]

Are they any good?
There isn’t much talk about them on this forum?
Lots here about something called a Grendel
Is that one new?
Is it better than a cread more?
I’ve heard of the cread more

[Beeman3]

My 6.5 Sherman drives a 140 Berger at 3339 fps. Lots of bigger 6.5’s if you wildcat.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

Are they any good?
There isn’t much talk about them on this forum?
Lots here about something called a Grendel
Is that one new?
Is it better than a cread more?
I’ve heard of the cread more

Lol. Shoots the same bullets faster so ya it's better for me.

[41thunder]

Sorry for the silly questions
But why does the Grendel use different bullets than the cm or prc?
Do the other ones not fit in it?

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

This is the first chart I have seen that has such a big emphasis on recoil energy and not bullet energy. Also, those 6.5’s seem like the cats meow. Are there any calibers that shoot them faster?

6.5-300 weatherby perhaps, 26 nosler too

Yes, recoil energy is the only energy number that matters when bullet weight, bullet construction, sd, and impact velocities appropriate fo game intended are in the green zone...may as well know how much the shooter is going to feel it, the animals don't care from their end as dead is dead or wounded is wounded

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

Are they any good?
There isn’t much talk about them on this forum?
Lots here about something called a Grendel
Is that one new?
Is it better than a cread more?
I’ve heard of the cread more

Grendel designed to fit in standard AR-15 length magazines(.223/556)...every dimension critical and maximized, some guys load up to 130's but mostly the 123 is the sweet spot. Where the creedmoor 140-ish is sweet spot and fits standard AR-10 length magazines. In bolt action speak the mini bolts like Cz 527 or Howa mini action for Grendel and standard 308 length short actions(and bolt face) for the creedmoor, and the prc is short action also but magnum bolt face (like wsm).

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

Sorry for the silly questions
But why does the Grendel use different bullets than the cm or prc?
Do the other ones not fit in it?

Ya that's about right.

[Don_Parsons]

Thanks SC, I'll check that sight out fore sure.

And yes,,, a close approximation of recoil on that chart,,, I ran the numbers on the 25/06,,, they were a fraction higher. Ha.

I can share this with my Nephew and good friend when they get their new gifts.

The recoil of good times is what its all about.