6.5 Shootout Comparison, How would you score it? - Page 2

MountainTi · #31 05-31-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Don't forget how much freezer space is needed if a guy owns a creedmore.

Now if only they built a rifle incorporating a few **** MILITARY GRADE ****aluminum components, chambered in a 6.5 **** CREEDMORE ****I'd be all over that. Pure marketing genius

Salavee · #32 05-31-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lclund1946

My design program shows the 6.5 CM Having 47.0 grs H20 with 140 VLD seated to 2.800 OAL and 47.9 grains seated 0.015" off the lands so that is pretty close. I measured a 6.5 x55 case and found that it held 57.0 grains of H20 so my program was out to lunch on this one. I have it holding about 51.0 grains with the 140 VLD drawn at 3.11" so 52.01 would be very close with COAL 3.15". I would be curious to know how far off the lands the 140 VLD would be in the 6.5x55 seated to Saami Max Magazine Length. Also a comparison of the 2 cartridges with RL 26 in the CM and whatever works best in the 6.5x55. People are making some very interesting claims with RL 26 at around 45-47 grains in the CM. Perhaps someone has some actual data to share?

Throat length would depend on the rifle . Euro 6.5 x55 rifles have plenty of magazine length and plenty of throat to seat out a VLD as they were designed to handle the long 160 gr RN. American SAAMI spec brands are usually considerably shorter so SAAMI specs are not a consideration for many Euro Swedes.

I don't own a CM but if you have QL, try RL 26 at 51.0 gr in the 6.5x55 with a 140 Hunting VLD and COAL of 3.150 then have a go at the Creedmoor with the same bullet and any powder you choose. You will see that there is really no comparison.

elkhunter11 · #33 05-31-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

Throat length would depend on the rifle . Euro 6.5 x55 rifles have plenty of magazine length and plenty of throat to seat out a VLD as they were designed to handle the long 160 gr RN. American SAAMI spec brands are usually considerably shorter so SAAMI specs are not a consideration for many Euro Swedes.

I don't own a CM but if you have QL, try RL 26 at 51.0 gr in the 6.5x55 with a 140 Hunting VLD and COAL of 3.150 then have a go at the Creedmoor with the same bullet and any powder you choose. You will see that there is really no comparison.

I load the 142gr Matchking at 3.10" for my T-3 in 6.5x55. I could load longer and still fit the factory magazine, but there would not be enough bullet shank in the case neck for my liking.

lclund1946 · #34 05-31-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

Throat length would depend on the rifle . Euro 6.5 x55 rifles have plenty of magazine length and plenty of throat to seat out a VLD as they were designed to handle the long 160 gr RN. American SAAMI spec brands are usually considerably shorter so SAAMI specs are not a consideration for many Euro Swedes.

I don't own a CM but if you have QL, try RL 26 at 51.0 gr in the 6.5x55 with a 140 Hunting VLD and COAL of 3.150 then have a go at the Creedmoor with the same bullet and any powder you choose. You will see that there is really no comparison.

I wasn't aware that there were two different specs for the 6.5x55. I would still like to know the OAL length to the lands with the 140 VLD hunting bullet as they usually work best seated into the lands.

markg · #35 05-31-2018, 04:21 PM

There is a reason so many PRS guys shoot the 6.5x47

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/0...-the-pros-use/

Pathfinder76 · #36 05-31-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

Throat length would depend on the rifle . Euro 6.5 x55 rifles have plenty of magazine length and plenty of throat to seat out a VLD as they were designed to handle the long 160 gr RN. American SAAMI spec brands are usually considerably shorter so SAAMI specs are not a consideration for many Euro Swedes.

I don't own a CM but if you have QL, try RL 26 at 51.0 gr in the 6.5x55 with a 140 Hunting VLD and COAL of 3.150 then have a go at the Creedmoor with the same bullet and any powder you choose. You will see that there is really no comparison.

Can I choose RL26?

Pathfinder76 · #37 05-31-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by markg

There is a reason so many PRS guys shoot the 6.5x47

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/0...-the-pros-use/

Why isn’t the 6.5x55 on that list?

whitetail Junkie · #38 05-31-2018, 04:37 PM

I went with the Mark V Deluxe 6.5 x300 Wby....should be a great big buck killer.

catnthehat · #39 05-31-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Why isn’t the 6.5x55 on that list?

Probably because most of these shooters are concerned about accuracy on steel first with recoil being a main factor over the course of a shoot.
Their rifles are I would assume short action jobs as well that cannot handle the 55's length even though it may be only a bit longer.
add to that the fact that a lot of these discipline choices are driven by popularity and not always real time data, well that is my take on it anyway.....
Cat

Salavee · #40 05-31-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can I choose RL26?

Sure ..

huntingfamily · #41 05-31-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

I don't own a CM but if you have QL, try RL 26 at 51.0 gr in the 6.5x55 with a 140 Hunting VLD and COAL of 3.150 then have a go at the Creedmoor with the same bullet and any powder you choose. You will see that there is really no comparison.

Same pressures?

Salavee · #42 05-31-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by huntingfamily

Same pressures?

Run any pressure you want . I run my swede at 59000

catnthehat · #43 05-31-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by huntingfamily

Same pressures?

Sure, in a good action designed for the higher pressures such .

Cat

Kurt505 · #44 05-31-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by huntingfamily

Same pressures?

What speed are you getting? 3200fps?

Salavee · #45 05-31-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

What speed are you getting? 3200fps?

What makes you think I'm getting that speed ? It's not a CM

You've been reading again .. No?

Kurt505 · #46 05-31-2018, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

What makes you think I'm getting that speed ? It's not a CM

You've been reading again .. No?

Well you said there was no comparison between the two, it's obvious you haven't been reading enough.

How many fps constitutes "no comparison"? Everything I've read about the Swede vs the creed compares them quite close in speed but it would seem you have a magic Swede.

So do you just go by sound to get your speed numbers, or did you actually run it through a chronograph?

huntingfamily · #47 05-31-2018, 05:43 PM

Given:
60,000 psi max
22" barrel
RL26 powder
Standard COAL

6.5 CM 49.2 grains (106% filled case) = 2887 fps
6.5x55 52.1 grains (101% filled case) = 2907 fps

Norwest Alta · #48 05-31-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainTi

Now if only they built a rifle incorporating a few **** MILITARY GRADE ****aluminum components, chambered in a 6.5 **** CREEDMORE ****I'd be all over that. Pure marketing genius

I get a laugh out of this.

You can polish and shine a turd but at the end of the day it's still a turd.

Truthfully I'd have any of them BUT the cm for the simple reason is just because something is marketed better doesn't make it better

Salavee · #49 05-31-2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Well you said there was no comparison between the two, it's obvious you haven't been reading enough.

How many fps constitutes "no comparison"? Everything I've read about the Swede vs the creed compares them quite close in speed but it would seem you have a magic Swede.

So do you just go by sound to get your speed numbers, or did you actually run it through a chronograph?

Kurt, keep on reading. You might see the difference a bit over 4 grains of powder can make as you approach a max load.
All of my loads have been shot and verified over a Magnetospeed, documented and filed. Plus, I'm not keen on BS. Try reading some different material.

As to a majic Swede ? No... but put your CM beside it and a chronograph
and you may think so.

Pathfinder76 · #50 05-31-2018, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

Kurt, keep on reading. You might see the difference a bit over 4 grains of powder can make as you approach a max load.
All of my loads have been shot and verified over a Magnetospeed, documented and filed. Plus, I'm not keen on BS. Try reading some different material.

As to a majic Swede ? No... but put your CM beside it and a chronograph
and you may think so.

It has more case capacity! This is silly! Don’t throw your Swede away, but there are differences between these cartridges. Some of us appreciate some of the pluses to the CM.

Kurt505 · #51 05-31-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

Kurt, keep on reading. You might see the difference a bit over 4 grains of powder can make as you approach a max load.
All of my loads have been shot and verified over a Magnetospeed, documented and filed. Plus, I'm not keen on BS. Try reading some different material.

As to a majic Swede ? No... but put your CM beside it and a chronograph
and you may think so.

So are you going to keep us in suspense or are you going to let us know how fast your Swede is? Or is that top secret information?

I will gladly put my Creedmoor beside it, but first you have to let me know what "no comparison" means in fps.

Maxwell78 · #52 05-31-2018, 06:31 PM

Hope no one gets all twisted up over this

SakoShooter · #53 05-31-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

I get a laugh out of this.

You can polish and shine a turd but at the end of the day it's still a turd.

Truthfully I'd have any of them BUT the cm for the simple reason is just because something is marketed better doesn't make it better

Just because something is marketed better.... doesn't make it *worse* either.

Pathfinder76 · #54 05-31-2018, 06:48 PM

Can someone tell me the draw back of the Creedmoor?

catnthehat · #55 05-31-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can someone tell me the draw back of the Creedmoor?

Nope not yet , haven't shot one yet !

Cat

Norwest Alta · #56 05-31-2018, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SakoShooter

Just because something is marketed better.... doesn't make it *worse* either.

This is correct.

Kurt505 · #57 05-31-2018, 08:06 PM

Can anyone tell me if there is actually more than 60-75fps difference between the creed and the Swede? Like with actual numbers they have gathered?

STY181 · #58 05-31-2018, 08:10 PM

I don't have a 6.5 in my arsenal yet. That will be remedied soon, as I have a barrel on order. I have a left hand win.70 action and I have always wanted a 264 win mag. I can not think of a better combination . But then I have always be a speed freak.
PS. if I had a Weatherby action it woul be a 6.5-300 Wby

Smokinyotes · #59 05-31-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Can anyone tell me if there is actually more than 60-75fps difference between the creed and the Swede? Like with actual numbers they have gathered?

My 6.5x55 with a 130 accubond, 49gr R22 is doing 2805 according to my magnetospeed.

Kurt505 · #60 05-31-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

My 6.5x55 with a 130 accubond, 49gr R22 is doing 2805 according to my magnetospeed.

Looking on noslers reloading guide it looks like the Creedmoor would be right at the same speed, I'd consider them comparable.