Submit to china or else!!!

[fish_e_o]

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ch...202454787.html

i see the time has come

[243plus]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ch...202454787.html

i see the time has come

My guess they will push until they get resistance. Guess the aura of Norman Bethune doesn't count anymore.

[Grizzly Adams]

Thinking we've become way too cosy with China. They're getting to the point where they can flex their muscles and are willing to do so, unlike most of the Western powers.

Grizz

[ReconWilly]

Canada and China...

https://youtu.be/t1eQtD4KeN4

[traderal]

While the West wastes trillions on useless wars China has expanded economically around the world. Their foray into our 5G networks is a pipeline into all our electronic data.

[Iron Brew]

Canadians in general don't like bullies. Say "bugger them, short term pain, long term gain", impose an import tariff sufficient to hurt them. Be willing to put up with the retaliatory pain, and no to huwei (sp?). The trade imbalance is hugely in China's favour, so... whatever. Yes, this would be minor enough issue to China, and major to Canada, but time to wean ourselves off their feces. The TPP was specifically to get around China by the rest of the trading/friends partners.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Thinking we've become way too cosy with China. They're getting to the point where they can flex their muscles and are willing to do so, unlike most of the Western powers.

Grizz

You're saying the U.S. doesn't flex its muscle??
Did I dream all that NAFTA turmoil?

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

You're saying the U.S. doesn't flex its muscle??
Did I dream all that NAFTA turmoil?

Nothing like what the Chinese are capable of. They hold a very significant portion of the US national debt.

Grizz

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Nothing like what the Chinese are capable of. They hold a very significant portion of the US national debt.

Grizz

So who is in power.

US who has China’s money or China who lent it to the Us?

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So who is in power.

US who has China’s money or China who lent it to the Us?

Ask those US workers who are not being paid.

Grizz

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Nothing like what the Chinese are capable of. They hold a very significant portion of the US national debt.

Grizz

China also enjoys a 260 billion dollar trade imbalance with the US that they hugely benefit from. They don't hold any real cards against the US.

I think Canada's best strategy against China is to use their own protectionist rules against them. If they don't let our stuff in unfettered then we don't let their stuff in unfettered. That way we aren't just saying NO but instead using a passive aggressive tactic to call out their BS policies at the same time keeping out spyware. It still shocks me how much we've opened up our country and businesses and resources to China without demanding reciprocal access to their markets etc. Worst case I'd rather see Canada take a financial hit then to bend over for those communists.

[Dubious]

All hail our new Chinese overloads. The robot overlords will have to wait there turn.

[glen moa]

Send a huge gov envoy to China to sort this out.
Demand surrender

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Ask those US workers who are not being paid.

Grizz

A lender only has power when they can take away collateral. China can’t take stuff in lieu of debt.

See how banks and foreign debt was handled by Iceland.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

China also enjoys a 260 billion dollar trade imbalance with the US that they hugely benefit from. They don't hold any real cards against the US.

I think Canada's best strategy against China is to use their own protectionist rules against them. If they don't let our stuff in unfettered then we don't let their stuff in unfettered. That way we aren't just saying NO but instead using a passive aggressive tactic to call out their BS policies at the same time keeping out spyware. It still shocks me how much we've opened up our country and businesses and resources to China without demanding reciprocal access to their markets etc. Worst case I'd rather see Canada take a financial hit then to bend over for those communists.

They also have an armed force of 2 million and who'd have thought they could put together a landing on the far side of the moon, neither the US or Russia has done that yet. Just the fact that were' talking about adopting a Chinese computer system says a lot. They're becoming a Super power and playing the role.

Grizz

[elkhunter11]

I can't help but think of this.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...nger-1.2421351

[Unregistered user]

So we'll buy **** from someone else, no big deal.

[270person]

Originally Posted by 243plus

My guess they will push until they get resistance. Guess the aura of Norman Bethune doesn't count anymore.

Or the Canadian troops that helped defend Hong Kong in WW2. My uncle was one and after some horrific battles where they were horribly outnumbered and most were killed, spent time in a Japanese prisoner of war camp. He didnt care much for Japan after that.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by traderal

While the West wastes trillions on useless wars China has expanded economically around the world. Their foray into our 5G networks is a pipeline into all our electronic data.

Sad part is I think they already have the electronic data. It’s scary to think what will happen when they decide to flex their muscles.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by 270person

Or the Canadian troops that helped defend Hong Kong in WW2. My uncle was one and after some horrific battles where they were horribly outnumbered and most were killed, spent time in a Japanese prisoner of war camp. He didnt care much for Japan after that.

Two different battles, while the Canadians were defending British Hong Kong, Mao was in the hinterland fighting Chiang kai shek with a hate on for both of them plus the Japs.

Griz

[urban rednek]

Shiny pony and the rest of the socialist minded members of our society should be overjoyed that their heroes from Beijing are standing up for their rights against our evil democratic/capitalist society. How dare we limit their right to supply and install equipment, for the purpose of national espionage, on our soil.

OT- Beijing likely anticipates an initial rebuttal that will quickly downgrade to a Neville Chamberlain like appeasement strategy. They have been doing this to their neighbours for decades while the rest of the world looked the other way, why should this time be any different?

For those that don't know the backstory linking Huawei Corp. and ZTE Corp. to corporate and national espionage:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-top-companies

[does it ALL outdoors]

Canada ABSOLUTELY should ban them from 5G infrastructure just like the US and many other countries have and continue to do.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-sen...-huawei-on-5g/

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/carrie...i-5g-networks/

[243plus]

China over the centuries has pretty well stayed within it's own territory. Although that appears to be their psyche, I don't want to bet on it now. Regardless, just like the 1800's was England's century, and the 1900's America's, it certainly looks like the 2000's' will be China's.

Unless Europe gets all its excrement in a pile. Not likely to happen the way it looks now.

[RandyBoBandy]

Easy fix..Don't purchase anything made in China
Most members here clamor for buying items as cheap as possible without any regard to QUALITY..China and Quality cannot ever be used in the same sentence

[243plus]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

Easy fix..Don't purchase anything made in China
Most members here clamor for buying items as cheap as possible without any regard to QUALITY..China and Quality cannot ever be used in the same sentence

Made in China:

Iphone
Leveno computers
Prada - the real ones, not the fake

Japan once was known for "racist term for Japanese crap", and now known for quality. Germany after the war had a time where products were not known for quality, and China is working on improving their quality. Why? Because the world demands better quality.

[WhiteTailAB]

It's either **** off the USA or **** off China. Those are the only choices canada has.

[6.5 shooter]

The Liberal party has been pandering to the Chinese for 50 years or more nothing to see here folks move along.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by 243plus

Made in China:

Iphone
Leveno computers
Prada - the real ones, not the fake

Japan once was known for "racist term for Japanese crap", and now known for quality. Germany after the war had a time where products were not known for quality, and China is working on improving their quality. Why? Because the world demands better quality.

I notice some things are now marked Made in Taiwan, evidence of better quality.

Grizz

[Big Grey Wolf]

A wise older lady, my mother in law that was a military aircraft controller during WW11 use to say in the long term Russia will not be our enemy. She however said in the future we will need to deal with China. She may be right.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

The Liberal party has been pandering to the Chinese for 50 years or more nothing to see here folks move along.

You are correct. Unfortunately so did Harper and the Conservatives and most of the provinces. BC pretty much sold the whole lower mainland to them and they have a good hold on to Alberta's oil sands. Quebec is still selling them Canadian passports. This may be a good eye opener on what the reality is on dealing with the Chinese......just don't do it !!!!! Stop buying their crap, and stop letting them in.