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07-11-2017, 05:06 PM
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Allowance for land owners to shoot them on sight is a very recent thing. Says something about the cougar management plan.
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07-11-2017, 05:09 PM
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nevermind. edited
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Probably a good idea. You should do that more often...
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07-11-2017, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpie
It's not just one animal you could lose. It's all the offspring over the years as well. So yes it is a BIG hit. I they only get subsidized for the ONE animal.
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So the govt compensates you, & you buy another bred cow, & calve out the next spring ...
For now, I will let the coyotes eat the mice and the cats eat the old and sick ungulates.
When (if) there is a real problem predator, I will be the first to step up.
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07-11-2017, 07:48 PM
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It's hard to believe that with all the good advice provided, nobody has recommended putting up a sign?
Hopefully this issue gets sorted out to your satisfaction.
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07-11-2017, 07:56 PM
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Unbelievable how ignorant my fellow board members are about Cougars.
Bunch of scaredy cats..............LOL
The big cat is doing what it's suppose to do, hunting and eating deer. Not your cows, kids, or wives.
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07-11-2017, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DJS
Why wait until you lose something to take action? There are laws in place that allow landowners to take action specifically to avoid problems before or after they happen. The loss of one head of cattle is a big financial hit. Wolves, coyotes, bears and cougars should be shot anytime they are seen near cattle and even more so around residences where children are present. Get rid of the problem before it actually becomes a problem!
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because the OP most likely won't have a cougar/livestock problem, that's why
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07-11-2017, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedog
Unbelievable how ignorant my fellow board members are about Cougars.
Bunch of scaredy cats..............LOL
The big cat is doing what it's suppose to do, hunting and eating deer. Not your cows, kids, or wives.
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Tell that to the friend of ours, painting her deck on Mac Dougall flats, when she got a creepy feeling. turned around to see a cougar sizing her up, from 10 feet away. Let's get Real, guys.
Grizz
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07-11-2017, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Tell that to the friend of ours, painting her deck on Mac Dougall flats, when she got a creepy feeling. turned around to see a cougar sizing her up, from 10 feet away. Let's get Real, guys.
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What did she do?
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07-11-2017, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpie
It's not just one animal you could lose. It's all the offspring over the years as well. So yes it is a BIG hit. I they only get subsidized for the ONE animal.
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Can that ONE animal not have calves of its own?
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07-11-2017, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Tell that to the friend of ours, painting her deck on Mac Dougall flats, when she got a creepy feeling. turned around to see a cougar sizing her up, from 10 feet away. Let's get Real, guys.
Grizz
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The daughter of a good family friend (in her 20's) was attacked by one while at work near GP. If her co-workers weren't there to come to her rescue with shovels it would have been lights out for her. They are harmless until they aren't....
The OP isn't some chance encounter out in the bush.
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07-12-2017, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pa_of_6
OK Fellas
We have a cougar move into our area.
I have seen him twice in the last three days.
This is up at my pasture land.
I am wondering what would be the best way to deal with him.
Any suggestions?
I have both foals and calves on the pasture.
Location is about 1.5 hrs NE of edmonton
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well OP-you have requested and received a number of varying suggestions and opinions. I think it would be reasonable for you to provide more specific detail(s) regarding your cougar sighting?
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07-12-2017, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by creeky
because the OP most likely won't have a cougar/livestock problem, that's why
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The OP talked about pasture land. Best to my knowledge pasture is land used by livestock for grazing. If he has a cougar near pasture land I'm guessing he's worried about losing livestock. Take out the cougar, problem solved.
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07-12-2017, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedog
Unbelievable how ignorant my fellow board members are about Cougars.
Bunch of scaredy cats..............LOL
The big cat is doing what it's suppose to do, hunting and eating deer. Not your cows, kids, or wives.
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So cougars never attack livestock? or humans?
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07-12-2017, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Can that ONE animal not have calves of its own?
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Of course. That one animal can have many calves of it's own and some of those calves will end up having offspring. So it's not just one animal that a farmer is losing.
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07-12-2017, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DJS
Of course. That one animal can have many calves of it's own and some of those calves will end up having offspring. So it's not just one animal that a farmer is losing.
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lol.
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07-12-2017, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DJS
Of course. That one animal can have many calves of it's own and some of those calves will end up having offspring. So it's not just one animal that a farmer is losing.
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Farmer loses a cow, gets compensation for it, the new cow is now halving calves. What's the problem?
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07-12-2017, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Farmer loses a cow, gets compensation for it, the new cow is now halving calves. What's the problem?
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My dad has had cows for 40 years. He's never been compensated for any of the animals he's lost. Of all those he's lost we only know of a couple that were taken by coyotes or bears but still, never compensated for. I'm interested to hear how many farmers or ranchers have actually been compensated? Not saying it doesn't happen, just not sure how high that number would be.
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07-13-2017, 08:12 AM
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Dollar down. Should be cougar down by now sss
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07-13-2017, 09:29 AM
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Probably a good idea. You should do that more often...
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As you also should have in this case. Your post added nothing except as an unfortunate confirmation of your character. Try to cheer up dave.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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07-13-2017, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DJS
The OP talked about pasture land. Best to my knowledge pasture is land used by livestock for grazing. If he has a cougar near pasture land I'm guessing he's worried about losing livestock. Take out the cougar, problem solved.
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Spoiler alert, there are cougars everywhere, you just don’t (or aren’t clued enough) to see em.
Your perceived “problem” (flawed reasoning) is no problem unless OP is losing livestock.
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07-13-2017, 11:16 AM
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Spoiler alert, there are cougars everywhere, you just don’t (or aren’t clued enough) to see em.
Your perceived “problem” (flawed reasoning) is no problem unless OP is losing livestock.
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Your right. I don't see them that often. But I can tell you that if I did see one on my dads farm it would not live any longer than the time it took me to send a bullet its way. And most farmers will tell you the same. Cougars do take livestock on occasion and that is considered a problem. Again, there are allowances in place to give farmers that option and the reason for it is that cougars do present a problem. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
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07-13-2017, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pa_of_6
OK Fellas
We have a cougar move into our area.
I have seen him twice in the last three days.
This is up at my pasture land.
I am wondering what would be the best way to deal with him.
Any suggestions?
I have both foals and calves on the pasture.
Location is about 1.5 hrs NE of edmonton
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an alpaca! they'll protect the heard lol
but if you have to shoot it its not a tragedy they're not endangered in alberta and they can be dangerous.
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07-13-2017, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dantheman93
an alpaca! they'll protect the heard lol
but if you have to shoot it its not a tragedy they're not endangered in alberta and they can be dangerous.
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Apparently, some Grizzlies develop a real fondness for them. There's a Llama in the neighborhood. If he shows up one more time he'll be endangered all right.
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07-13-2017, 02:19 PM
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One sighting in the pasture gets a pass.
repeated sighting in short time frame....pew, pew, pew, rinse and repeat as needed.
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07-13-2017, 09:13 PM
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Your right. I don't see them that often. But I can tell you that if I did see one on my dads farm it would not live any longer than the time it took me to send a bullet its way. And most farmers will tell you the same. Cougars do take livestock on occasion and that is considered a problem. Again, there are allowances in place to give farmers that option and the reason for it is that cougars do present a problem. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
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no they won't
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Originally Posted by DJS
Your right. I don't see them that often. But I can tell you that if I did see one on my dads farm it would not live any longer than the time it took me to send a bullet its way. And most farmers will tell you the same. Cougars do take livestock on occasion and that is considered a problem. Again, there are allowances in place to give farmers that option and the reason for it is that cougars do present a problem. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
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paranoid much? <not sure why that's so hard to understand>
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07-14-2017, 01:14 PM
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no they won't
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The farmers in my area will. Every single one of them.
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07-14-2017, 01:15 PM
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paranoid much? <not sure why that's so hard to understand>
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Just to be clear...you're saying cougars don't ever present a problem for farmers?
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07-14-2017, 01:53 PM
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Just to be clear...you're saying cougars don't ever present a problem for farmers?
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Or hikers, or people walking their small dogs, or ladies painting a deck ? How about skateboarders?
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...kateboard.html
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I'd say wait for the winter when his fur is primed up, find a buddy with hounds and when he comes back through the area go after him. To me it's a waste to shoot him this time of year "just cuz". I know people will disagree, but that's what I would do.
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