Big sheep changes

ksteed17 · #1 12-03-2014, 06:11 PM

Can't believe they're going through with this. In 2016 all WMU south of the brazeau will be full curl and 400/302 will have one week less at the end of the season. Good luck finding a full curl ram, congrats to those who said change was needed. At this rate my son will probably never even get the chance to sheep hunt.

BackPackHunter · #2 12-03-2014, 06:23 PM

I my area sheep will hit 4/5 by 5.5 - 6.5yr old
I think it's good, but I'd like to see to option
For a 4/5 double broomed(no lamb tips)

NBFK · #3 12-03-2014, 06:27 PM

Would an option for the Broomed no lamb tips be an age regulation? Don't they do this for thin horns?

BackPackHunter · #4 12-03-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NBFK

Would an option for the Broomed no lamb tips be an age regulation? Don't they do this for thin horns?

Yes they do this with thin horns
But it's very hard to count rings on a big horn compared to thins
That's why I say 4/5 double broomed no lamb tips
That ram I shot this yr was broomed on only one side, so he would
have been aloud to breed this winter

Ranger CS · #5 12-04-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NBFK

Would an option for the Broomed no lamb tips be an age regulation? Don't they do this for thin horns?

As I recall, many years ago, back in the early 70's any broomed ram was a legal ram. Please correct me if I am wrong.

ksteed17 · #6 12-03-2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

I my area sheep will hit 4/5 by 5.5 - 6.5yr old
I think it's good, but I'd like to see to option
For a 4/5 double broomed(no lamb tips)

I'd love to have full curl Rams every where but I just don't see that happening. I agree with you tho about the brooming but I can't see that happening either. Luckily I've shot a ram and My next one will be a nice mature ram, but for those first time sheep hunters if they don't see success, or even the possibility of success, then our numbers as sheep hunters will slide. Which at first glance seems nice but numbers is power. This is the first change what comes next...?

packhuntr · #7 12-03-2014, 06:45 PM

UH OH. Might be pulling 410 faster than I planned... Dammit what is wrong with this province? So whats word on the street, when does SRD start managing real issues with sheep in Ab? Let me guess, that kicks off right after this hey?

Blanka · #8 12-03-2014, 06:47 PM

I think this is great. !! Finally a chance for a K country ram to reach full curl. A friend of mine who hunts down south a lot said to me" probaly the worst animal to be in alberta is a 4/5 legal ram in K country becAuse you know your dead as soon as a hunter lays eyes on you"

bdub · #9 12-03-2014, 07:03 PM

I'm in favour of it but would like to see an option that allowed harvesting broomed short old rams.

HOSS · #10 12-03-2014, 07:15 PM

Great idea.

ksteed17 · #11 12-03-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bdub

I'm in favour of it but would like to see an option that allowed harvesting broomed short old rams.

Wmu 400 has been a full curl for a long time. They've yet to allow harvest of Broomed Rams even tho you see a lot of heavy mature Broomed rams. I just don't see it happening.

medicmoose · #12 12-03-2014, 07:28 PM

Nope so many rams will die off of old age preditors and Mother Nature before ever reaching full curl. This just takes opportunity away from hunters. There is no way you can have a full curl rule but then allow mature 4/5 to be shot. Who decides what's mature. How much do they have to be broomed? Age determining a big horn on the hoof has been determined difficult and inaccurate on the hoof.

Blanka · #13 12-03-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bdub

I'm in favour of it but would like to see an option that allowed harvesting broomed short old rams.

I agree. If there was a way to install a full curl/ 9.5 year+ rule that would be perfect. But it can be hard to age a ram in the field unless he gives you a perfect look.

Grizzly Adams · #14 12-03-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bdub

I'm in favour of it but would like to see an option that allowed harvesting broomed short old rams.

X2, got screwed on that one myself once. One thought would be a minimum age for those old rams who don't qualify.

Grizz

243 wild cat · #15 12-06-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bdub

I'm in favour of it but would like to see an option that allowed harvesting broomed short old rams.

X2 That should be looked at no doubt we know of lots of legal Rams that meet this criteria that have been seen and can not be harvest. In most zones.

pottymouth · #16 12-03-2014, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanka

I think this is great. !! Finally a chance for a K country ram to reach full curl. A friend of mine who hunts down south a lot said to me" probaly the worst animal to be in alberta is a 4/5 legal ram in K country becAuse you know your dead as soon as a hunter lays eyes on you"

More k country rams will die of old age and lightning , with a full curl restriction. Those genetics of huge loopy curls in k-country, will be the worst place to chase sheep..legal rams will be as plentiful as albino sheep....but im sure the flower sniffers and genetic harm gang are dancing now.

Lets not forget, they are pushing an agenda here, without any proven information. They will not allow any independent studies to be preformed...nor will they release any of their studies and information. They still cant even agree how to properly age a ram... each officer and office does it differently.

This is nothing but a pipe dream from the gentic harm gang, to manage hunters...nothing more.

antlerguy · #17 12-04-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pottymouth

More k country rams will die of old age and lightning , with a full curl restriction. Those genetics of huge loopy curls in k-country, will be the worst place to chase sheep..legal rams will be as plentiful as albino sheep....but im sure the flower sniffers and genetic harm gang are dancing now.

Lets not forget, they are pushing an agenda here, without any proven information. They will not allow any independent studies to be preformed...nor will they release any of their studies and information. They still cant even agree how to properly age a ram... each officer and office does it differently.

This is nothing but a pipe dream from the gentic harm gang, to manage hunters...nothing more.

Totally agree

RDW · #18 02-07-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pottymouth

More k country rams will die of old age and lightning , with a full curl restriction. Those genetics of huge loopy curls in k-country, will be the worst place to chase sheep..legal rams will be as plentiful as albino sheep....but im sure the flower sniffers and genetic harm gang are dancing now.

Lets not forget, they are pushing an agenda here, without any proven information. They will not allow any independent studies to be preformed...nor will they release any of their studies and information. They still cant even agree how to properly age a ram... each officer and office does it differently.

This is nothing but a pipe dream from the gentic harm gang, to manage hunters...nothing more.

This is the truth this is to manage hunters they don't care about the sheep heard if they did they would let everyone have a voice at the table and come up with a plan that suited everyone if there really is a problem at all.

Maby I am wrong considering they have done such a great job with the rest of the big game in the province I need not to worry. Lol

whitetail Junkie · #19 12-03-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ksteed17

This is the first change what comes next...?

All goes on draw with some people drawing the tag and not even purchaseing it

Ok maybe im playing the devil's advocate abit....they are impressive/interesting creatures for sure...was hunting elk high up in wmu 400 this fall and had a 4/5 ram only 250yards away.....for a few minuits the rams had a stunned look like they were going to lick the salt off my boots,however they did slowly make there way down the mountain into some thick bush.

Will a 4/5 ram grow to full curl in only a year? Im guessing not

Ryry4 · #20 12-03-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

All goes on draw with some people drawing the tag and not even purchaseing it

Ok maybe im playing the devil's advocate abit....they are impressive/interesting creatures for sure...was hunting elk high up in wmu 400 this fall and had a 4/5 ram only 250yards away.....for a few minuits the rams had a stunned look like they were going to lick the salt off my boots,however they did slowly make there way down the mountain into some thick bush.

Will a 4/5 ram grow to full curl in only a year? Im guessing not

No, in fact that 4/5 ram may never reach full curl.

whitetail Junkie · #21 12-03-2014, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryry4

No, in fact that 4/5 ram may never reach full curl.

I see....thanks

fingershooter · #22 12-03-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

I my area sheep will hit 4/5 by 5.5 - 6.5yr old
I think it's good, but I'd like to see to option
For a 4/5 double broomed(no lamb tips)

Not familiar with many sheep ranges in Alberta but from what I've seen, I have to agree with the decision. A great option is to have a limited draw for rams less than full curl to be able to catch those older broomed rams. It would be nice to see ore of those old 11 - 14 year olds.

walking buffalo · #23 12-03-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fingershooter

Not familiar with many sheep ranges in Alberta but from what I've seen, I have to agree with the decision. A great option is to have a limited draw for rams less than full curl to be able to catch those older broomed rams. It would be nice to see ore of those old 11 - 14 year olds.

If your not familiar with Alberta sheep, perhaps you could be swayed into some.e education before making a decision.

Any idea on the percentage of rams die of natural mortality before the age of ten?

Srd has No intention of including a 4/5 curl draw as an addition .
That is not roses you smell.... the intent is to severly reduce the harvest of rams....

How well has the full curl system worked so far...... it has failed....

Another part of the proposal is for wmu 302and 400 to have their season shortened by one week at the end. Lol.....

Wake up.... this is the future of hunting if you allow it....

BackPackHunter · #24 12-03-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by walking buffalo

If your not familiar with Alberta sheep, perhaps you could be swayed into some education before making a decision.

Wake up.... this is the future of hunting if you allow it....

And how many rams have you shot ?
(you don't have to answer because I already know)
How many people that don't want to see changes , don't have a ram on the wall?

Al , don't you have a full curl ram on your wall from Alberta?
From my honey hole?

ksteed17 · #25 12-03-2014, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

And how many rams have you shot ?
(you don't have to answer because I already know)
How many people that don't want to see changes , don't have a ram on the wall?

Al , don't you have a full curl ram on your wall from Alberta?
From my honey hole?

I have a full curl ram and I don't want to see change. Tell me why we need change. ?

walking buffalo · #26 12-03-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

And how many rams have you shot ?
(you don't have to answer because I already know)
How many people that don't want to see changes , don't have a ram on the wall?

Al , don't you have a full curl ram on your wall from Alberta?
From my honey hole?

I thought you were more inteligent than this....

Get back to me when you can discuss this with some maturity. .. I don't have the time to waste on the children's games.

SLH · #27 12-04-2014, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by walking buffalo

How well has the full curl system worked so far...... it has failed....

Could you explain this comment

Justahunter · #28 12-04-2014, 08:56 AM

Sure, SRD continuously prefers to manage game populations by reducing hunting opportunity rather then managing the resource itself. If 4 cougars can harvest as many sheep as ALL legal hunters in Alberta annually and if there is a population problem with sheep ,would it not make sense to harvest more cougars in the sheep zones. Restricting hunters will make NO difference if it is Cougars or habitat loss that is causing the sheep decline. CASE in point is NORDEGG. FULL curl regulation did nothing to help. Cougars and habitat loss has led to a complete closure of the season . Which WMU is next to get closed due to MISMANAGEMENT. anything else need explaining ? Happy to do so

BackPackHunter · #29 12-03-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fingershooter

Not familiar with many sheep ranges in Alberta but from what I've seen, I have to agree with the decision. A great option is to have a limited draw for rams less than full curl to be able to catch those older broomed rams. It would be nice to see ore of those old 11 - 14 year olds.

Al , you know first hand where I like to walk around....
I like your idea of a draw for the 4/5 rams,

This year I found two dead rams, one was dead for 2-3 years
One was last season, it was just under 4/5 with lamb tips,
It seems a like fishy to me....( I talked to F&W about it while getting mine plugged) I'll be bring it into F&W in the summer to get plugged etc
My ram would have got the passed this yr but he would have easily made full next yr as he was just a little shy of full (1/2" more would have made it)

The full curl rule isn't going to put a end to rams being taking
And the guys who have Rams figured out will still keep dropping them,
It just means that we will have to work and look harder...

(I'll email you a pic of the found dead rams once I get home from work)

RDW · #30 12-03-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ksteed17

Can't believe they're going through with this. In 2016 all WMU south of the brazeau will be full curl and 400/302 will have one week less at the end of the season. Good luck finding a full curl ram, congrats to those who said change was needed. At this rate my son will probably never even get the chance to sheep hunt.

Will the rules stay the same for 2015 season