Lethal injection site in Lethbridge?

[wildbill]

This is one thing I thought I'd never see in Lethbridge, what a disappointment, why enforce the law? Lets pay for a nice warm building to shoot junk in! This is unfathomable to me, like really, when did it come this? I agree with giving people in recovery all the help they need, but paying for a place for people to get high in? What is happening to our society? Seems stupid decisions are a plague this day and age.

[CaberTosser]

I'd be totally down with a lethal injection site, but you're probably referring to a safe injection site

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I'd be totally down with a lethal injection site, but you're probably referring to a safe injection site

Now that made me laugh....one is beneficial to society the other is a waist of tax payers money.

[mattthegorby]

Originally Posted by wildbill

This is one thing I thought I'd never see in Lethbridge, what a disappointment, why enforce the law? Lets pay for a nice warm building to shoot junk in! This is unfathomable to me, like really, when did it come this? I agree with giving people in recovery all the help they need, but paying for a place for people to get high in? What is happening to our society? Seems stupid decisions are a plague this day and age.

Hey Wildbill, if you are interested in understanding the why behind safe injection sites just Google "Harm Reduction" to read about the philosophy behind it.

Safe injection sites are not about a place for junkies to go party - they are an an intervention meant to keep severe addicts alive who would otherwise be shooting up in an alley. Safe injection sites are also about keeping the streets safer for everyone and building relationships with addicts that can eventually lead to other treatment options.

That being said, I so not know the dollars and cents argument for Safe Injection sites and how that money could be used for additional rehab programs, but I do know that the threat of jail time means nothing to a severe addict, there is also no shortage of drugs in jail, and it costs you and me a crap load to lock someone up.

Matt



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[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by mattthegorby

Hey Wildbill, if you are interested in understanding the why behind safe injection sites just Google "Harm Reduction" to read about the philosophy behind it.

Safe injection sites are not about a place for junkies to go party - they are an an intervention meant to keep severe addicts alive who would otherwise be shooting up in an alley. Safe injection sites are also about keeping the streets safer for everyone and building relationships with addicts that can eventually lead to other treatment options.

That being said, I so not know the dollars and cents argument for Safe Injection sites and how that money could be used for additional rehab programs, but I do know that the threat of jail time means nothing to a severe addict, there is also no shortage of drugs in jail, and it costs you and me a crap load to lock someone up.

Matt



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If they overdose and die...doesn't cost us anything.
Look up 'Darwinism'.

[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

If they overdose and die...doesn't cost us anything.
Look up 'Darwinism'.

If they were your own children would you be saying that?

These programs can reduce the overall costs associated with this type of drug use to the taxpayer by as much as 80%. In Vancouver the EMT's spend a ridiculous amount of time keeping addicts alive. And no, they don't have the right to make a choice to let them die.

Watch this http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/it-s-coming...isis-1.3377480

[Sundancefisher]

For many it is the only safe place to inject using safe needles and the only place where society can approach them and help the kick the habit.

They do receive information to help them.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Weedy1

If they were your own children would you be saying that?

These programs can reduce the overall costs associated with this type of drug use to the taxpayer by as much as 80%. In Vancouver the EMT's spend a ridiculous amount of time keeping addicts alive. And no, they don't have the right to make a choice to let them die.

Watch this http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/it-s-coming...isis-1.3377480

I don't have an issue with helping the young kid who is experimenting with drugs and gets a hit of fentanyl...that's no different than when we were young and had too much to drink.
Hopefully they survive and learn a lesson.
But the injection sites are mainly frequented by hard core meth and heroin users...they aren't likely to turn their lives around.
I have as much sympathy for them as I do the hard core criminal...and just like I don't like tax dollars going to keep a hard core criminal in prison for his entire life...I don't like tax dollars going to 'help' the hard core addict who is just going to require saving again and again.

[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

But the injection sites are mainly frequented by hard core meth and heroin users...they aren't likely to turn their lives around.

You're correct, it's also one of the primary reasons for having these sites. We can't let them die so we might as well find a way that lowers the cost of having them addicted. If it saves me dollars I'm all for it.

[SlimChance]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

I don't have an issue with helping the young kid who is experimenting with drugs and gets a hit of fentanyl...that's no different than when we were young and had too much to drink.
Hopefully they survive and learn a lesson.
But the injection sites are mainly frequented by hard core meth and heroin users...they aren't likely to turn their lives around.
I have as much sympathy for them as I do the hard core criminal...and just like I don't like tax dollars going to keep a hard core criminal in prison for his entire life...I don't like tax dollars going to 'help' the hard core addict who is just going to require saving again and again.

You don't need to like or care about addicts to support safe injection sites. They're better for you too.

Every addict injecting at a safe injection site is one less corpse and used needle we don't have to clean up (at a cost to the taxpayer).

Every addict using needle exchanges is one less HIV/Hepatitis patient using valuable hospital resources (at a cost to taxpayers and those who depend on timely health care).

Locking addicts up in jail (for drug charges) isn't a better solution. It costs something like $100,000/year to keep someone in jail.

Just like we're advised to get into healthy habits ourselves to avoid huge medical issues later, providing addicts with safe injection sites allows us to avoid more costly problems, like blood-borne disease treatment etc, later.

And, just like preventative medicine, safe injection sites are not perfect or a complete solution to a complex problem. But I can't wrap my head around the notion that spending more to keep a problem swept under the rug is in any way beneficial to anybody.

[mattthegorby]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

If they overdose and die...doesn't cost us anything.
Look up 'Darwinism'.

Totally Darwinism.

If giving addicts an injection site is going to have positive effect on their families stability and reduce street crime then my neighborhood will be safer and I can concentrate on things other than survival - like breeding and spreading myself throughout the gene pool. ;-)


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[Ken07AOVette]

I agree Bill.

I am as excited about these sites as I am seeing habitual criminals released instantly instead of serving actual time for crime committed. Liberal coddling crap that is becoming all too prevalent in society. Another way to buy votes.

[play.soccer]

The government makes diabetics pay for needles but hands them out for free for addicts. Why? Oh right feelings.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

If they overdose and die...doesn't cost us anything.
Look up 'Darwinism'.

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[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by mattthegorby

Hey Wildbill, if you are interested in understanding the why behind safe injection sites just Google "Harm Reduction" to read about the philosophy behind it.

Safe injection sites are not about a place for junkies to go party - they are an an intervention meant to keep severe addicts alive who would otherwise be shooting up in an alley. Safe injection sites are also about keeping the streets safer for everyone and building relationships with addicts that can eventually lead to other treatment options.

That being said, I so not know the dollars and cents argument for Safe Injection sites and how that money could be used for additional rehab programs, but I do know that the threat of jail time means nothing to a severe addict, there is also no shortage of drugs in jail, and it costs you and me a crap load to lock someone up.

Matt



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So they can continue their lifestyle and put everyone else at risk. I heard about a young guy who had a gun to his head in Edmonton . Do you think it's more important to keep the addict who robbed him and threatened his life to keep on stealing oxygen.

Tell me what these addicts contribute to making society better. or even not harming society.

[Rastus]

We have had them for awhile, but it still bothers me that the people who sell this stuff get off free, or at worst a slap on the wrist. I got no problem with an addict because they got that way with help. But I have a problem with the helpers.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I agree Bill.

I am as excited about these sites as I am seeing habitual criminals released instantly instead of serving actual time for crime committed. Liberal coddling crap that is becoming all too prevalent in society. Another way to buy votes.

DO you have a problem with Addiction Rehabilitation facilities too, detox centres, methadone clinics and counselling sites?


Should we shut down these Liberal coddled crap Rehab sites?


Consider the idea that these safe injection sites are actually part of the Addiction Rehabilitation program....

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

DO you have a problem with Addiction Rehabilitation facilities too, detox centres, methadone clinics and counselling sites?
Should we shut down these Liberal coddled crap Rehab sites?
Consider the idea that these safe injection sites are actually part of the Addiction Rehabilitation program....

ARE we talking about them?

What's your expert take on them?

[mattthegorby]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

So they can continue their lifestyle and put everyone else at risk. I heard about a young guy who had a gun to his head in Edmonton . Do you think it's more important to keep the addict who robbed him and threatened his life to keep on stealing oxygen.

Tell me what these addicts contribute to making society better. or even not harming society.

I am not going to defend anyone who is robbing people at gun point - addict or not. I know tons of addicts and the vast majority would not be capable of this - though for sure some are.

I also agree that the actions people take to feed their addictions hurts society. For me though, when I look at the long-term solution to making society more secure it involves treatment options working along with enforcement. There are a ton of nasty people in the drug trade, but the severe addicts in the alleys are the kids these guys are exploiting and destroying.



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[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

I thuaght maybe when you said lethal it was a convienent place to gather up some black sheep to take in😁

Would you rather have used needles all over the place? I’m all for safe injection sights. Don’t get me wrong, sticking a needle on ones self to get high absolutely repulses me, gross.

[Newview01]

Safe injection sites should be used for getting these people off drugs. The addicts should be detained and sent to Claresholm for some heavy duty rehab, and then possibly off to a permanent institution. Keeping the people on the street is not a solution, it is a bandaid.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by mattthegorby

Hey Wildbill, if you are interested in understanding the why behind safe injection sites just Google "Harm Reduction" to read about the philosophy behind it.

Safe injection sites are not about a place for junkies to go party - they are an an intervention meant to keep severe addicts alive who would otherwise be shooting up in an alley. Safe injection sites are also about keeping the streets safer for everyone and building relationships with addicts that can eventually lead to other treatment options.

That being said, I so not know the dollars and cents argument for Safe Injection sites and how that money could be used for additional rehab programs, but I do know that the threat of jail time means nothing to a severe addict, there is also no shortage of drugs in jail, and it costs you and me a crap load to lock someone up.

Matt



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Sometimes philosophy just doesn't work out, because it ignores Human Nature. It's known as Naivety. Trudeau passes out free money to everyone and ODs go through the roof. Unintended consequences.

Grizz

[HeavyD111]

Soooo...has the site made anything better for the residents of Leth? Are the streets downtown safer? Ask the business owners near the site or anyone who has to go downtown for anything if this is working out as advertised.

Addicts need a safe site to inject to help them get on to a recovery program, sure give it a try. But the “team Tony” speeches about how the city wouldnt see any negatives from this being placed downtown, that “everything will be grrrrrreat!” was just bs. The city knew there were going to be serious issues, and there are.

[Stustage]

Originally Posted by wildbill

This is one thing I thought I'd never see in Lethbridge, what a disappointment, why enforce the law? Lets pay for a nice warm building to shoot junk in! This is unfathomable to me, like really, when did it come this? I agree with giving people in recovery all the help they need, but paying for a place for people to get high in? What is happening to our society? Seems stupid decisions are a plague this day and age.

pure ignorance,not even worthy of a reply aside from pointing out that "Supreme Court ruling opens doors to drug injection clinics across Canada"
that story is from 2011 btw.

[Hillbilly 12]

I say have their parents pay for the costs of running a program such as this one, or do not have it at all. Why should people who didn't do drugs give hard earned money for this crap. These people who are using this program are likely not working for money to buy their drugs, it's most probably items being stolen, then sold. It sounds cruel, but these people are no gain to society, only a drain on the tax payer, put this money towards helping sick children in hospitals, lower costs for medicine for the sick, or just maybe a new set of work boots to the working people who keep this country rolling.

[buschy03]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly 12

I say have their parents pay for the costs of running a program such as this one, or do not have it at all. Why should people who didn't do drugs give hard earned money for this crap. These people who are using this program are likely not working for money to buy their drugs, it's most probably items being stolen, then sold. It sounds cruel, but these people are no gain to society, only a drain on the tax payer, put this money towards helping sick children in hospitals, lower costs for medicine for the sick, or just maybe a new set of work boots to the working people who keep this country rolling.

Exactly!!,,, why in the hell should I have to pay my taxes to pay for crap like this, and don't give me this society BS about, how about if it was you??,, I could of been me, but I have some pride and self worth, and know what is right and wrong from day one. And guess what??,, we can't solve everyone's problems, or keep everyone happy, people are going to fall through the cracks, it's sad, but this is what happens, get used to it and quite bitching

[robson3954]

Originally Posted by buschy03

Exactly!!,,, why in the hell should I have to pay my taxes to pay for crap like this, and don't give me this society BS about, how about if it was you??,, I could of been me, but I have some pride and self worth, and know what is right and wrong from day one. And guess what??,, we can't solve everyone's problems, or keep everyone happy, people are going to fall through the cracks, it's sad, but this is what happens, get used to it and quite bitching

You wouldn’t have pride or self worth if you were born into their lives. Imagine being born into poverty on a res and you’re only role models don’t have jobs, education and already have addiction problems. Is it still that kids fault?

[buschy03]

Originally Posted by robson3954

You wouldn’t have pride or self worth if you were born into their lives. Imagine being born into poverty on a res and you’re only role models don’t have jobs, education and already have addiction problems. Is it still that kids fault?

Absolutely everyone has a choice, just look over the fence and see what the rest of society is doing........good or bad,,, chose one,,, there is only two options, you decide, you make your fate....

[Hillbilly 12]

Originally Posted by robson3954

You wouldn’t have pride or self worth if you were born into their lives. Imagine being born into poverty on a res and you’re only role models don’t have jobs, education and already have addiction problems. Is it still that kids fault?

Good, we should stop res and they fall in line with the rest, and I think it would benefit them more than being on a res and government help. They don't have jobs or couldn't care less if they had one. I'm saying this for all colors of people, you can be poor and raise a child the right way, that is free. I've seen many res since you brought it up, they can't even have the gumption to close their house doors or replace a few blown of shingles, so poverty no, there is no excuses for that. My parents came from absolutely nothing, but hard work and self worth got them ahead, no handouts.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by robson3954

You wouldn’t have pride or self worth if you were born into their lives. Imagine being born into poverty on a res and you’re only role models don’t have jobs, education and already have addiction problems. Is it still that kids fault?

This is a big can of worms. You opened it.