New Rifle complete! Got a couple pics.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Slowly but surely. Was a good workout today walking back and forth to the target through the snow, probably going to pay for it tomorrow.

nice to see you got it out and like you say slowly but surely .Easy on that knee and don't let no cold get into it till you heal,comes back to haunt us the things we over look.



Cheers
JD

[M.C. Gusto]

Nice gun!

[Nyksta]

Does Gunwerks offer a shooting school?

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Does Gunwerks offer a shooting school?

Why yes they do

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Why yes they do

That would be a sweet part of the purchasing adventure. It would sure be nice if anyone who bought one of their rifles was able to take lessons to be able to learn to shoot at the skill to match their sub-moa rifle guarantee. The shooter and rifle partnership is only as accurate as the weakest link.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

That would be a sweet part of the purchasing adventure. It would sure be nice if anyone who bought one of their rifles was able to take lessons to be able to learn to shoot at the skill to match their sub-moa rifle guarantee. The shooter and rifle partnership is only as accurate as the weakest link.

I agree. Sure wouldn't hurt to be able to use the rifle to its full potential.

[marky_mark]

Let’s go! Who’s in?

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Let’s go! Who’s in?

Do you think they would allow non-gunwerks rifles at their training? From what I can see from kurts target board is that my $600 Savage shoots at least as good if not better consistently than their rifles. 9/10 of the gunwerks rifle groups were 1.5 to 2.5 inch groups.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Do you think they would allow non-gunwerks rifles at their training? From what I can see from kurts target board is that my $600 Savage shoots at least as good if not better consistently than their rifles. 9/10 of the gunwerks rifle groups were 1.5 to 2.5 inch groups.

Post up a five spot target, five shot groups, 25 rounds total with the date written on it next weekend and I’ll do the same. We’ll compare groups. Deal?

I’m interested on how my 2” moa rifle will compare against your savage. I’ve only taken my rifle to the range once so far, so I’m pretty handicapped compared to someone who’s owned their rifle for a long time and have had time to see what their rifle likes, but I’m willing to give it a shot.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Post up a five spot target with the date written on it next weekend and I’ll do the same. We’ll compare groups. Deal?

I would love to be able to enter that contest of rifles, but due to family circumstances I can't get out shooting at all at the moment. I would never spend the amount of money gunwerks asks for a rifle, but after seeing the results, im not much interested when basic rifles are just as capable of performance.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

I would love to be able to enter that contest of rifles, but due to family circumstances I can't get out shooting at all at the moment. I would never spend the amount of money gunwerks asks for a rifle, but after seeing the results, im not much interested when basic rifles are just as capable of performance.

Well, I would but, but....,

How did I know I’d hear nothing but excuses from you?

LOL!

Way easier to take cheap shots from behind the keyboard hey?


What results do you think you seen? You seen the first 50 rounds I put through that rifle, the first ten were getting my rifle on paper then two groups with a published load (both sub 1/2 moa) and then 40 test loads of r26 and 162gr ELDX which there is no published load data for (that I could find).

I really could care less if you don’t want to spend the money on a Gunwerks. Stick to your Axis, it’s a match made in heaven.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Well, I would but, but....,

How did I know I’d hear nothing but excuses from you?

LOL!

Way easier to take cheap shots from behind the keyboard hey?


What results do you think you seen? You seen the first 50 rounds I put through that rifle, the first ten were getting my rifle on paper then two groups with a published load (both sub 1/2 moa) and then 40 test loads of r26 and 162gr ELDX which there is no published load data for (that I could find).

I really could care less if you don’t want to spend the money on a Gunwerks. Stick to your Axis, it’s a match made in heaven.

This is your thread about your sub-moa guaranteed "Lamborghini" rifle that you say is so much better than anyone elses' miata quality rifle. I would love to be able post up a bunch of targets, but as i said, family matters cant drop just because kurt wants to post a target competition. Theres plenty of examples of the accuracy of a bunch of miata quality rifles, your Lamborghini doesnt show sub-moa.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Do you think they would allow non-gunwerks rifles at their training? From what I can see from kurts target board is that my $600 Savage shoots at least as good if not better consistently than their rifles. 9/10 of the gunwerks rifle groups were 1.5 to 2.5 inch groups.

There always has to be that one guy with a Savage....

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

This is your thread about your sub-moa guaranteed "Lamborghini" rifle that you say is so much better than anyone elses' miata quality rifle. I would love to be able post up a bunch of targets, but as i said, family matters cant drop just because kurt wants to post a target competition. Theres plenty of examples of the accuracy of a bunch of miata quality rifles, let us see some lambourghini quality targets.

Just by looking at pictures, how can you tell the difference in quality between my rifle and your rifle? You can’t, but when you have both in your hand at the same time you’ll begin to understand the Lamborghini vs Miata rationale.

I’ll post up more pics for sure. I’ve already verified it’s sub 1/2” moa guarantee to be true.

I think you’re full of it, making up excuses to get out of having to put up instead of shutting up.

Just curious, do you roll up on a guy in his $120k gmc denali 2500 diesel in your $30k GMC Sierra and tell him your truck can do everything his truck does, then tell him you’d never spend that kind of money on a truck because yours is just as good? Are you yapping because you are jealous? What is your motive?


Saying that after looking at my targets that your rifle is just as good only shows you don’t know what you’re looking at, but you figure it’s a good time to slip in a cheap shot.

I gave you the opportunity to get behind your drivel, surprisingly you declined the offer.

I post a lot of stuff on here, not once have I ever been called out and not had the balls to back it. That’s the difference between us I guess.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Do you think they would allow non-gunwerks rifles at their training? From what I can see from kurts target board is that my $600 Savage shoots at least as good if not better consistently than their rifles. 9/10 of the gunwerks rifle groups were 1.5 to 2.5 inch groups.

You get to use their equipment

[marky_mark]

When you get them dialed in this is what you can expect
Single digit es spreads

Kurt has some work to do still but it will happen

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

When you get them dialed in this is what you can expect
Single digit es spreads

Kurt has some work to do still but it will happen

That target looks a lot like this target






Once I get my seating stem i’ll be set to load those bergers in mass production

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Let’s go! Who’s in?

I’d be interested but won’t happen this year. Doesn’t matter what gun a person is using it is a tool in the grand scheme of things but learning how to use the tool to its max potential is something that I’d be interested in.

The groups ( mine included) I’ve seen in this thread are no screaming hell imo. I would think proper shooting technique combined with a proper load and a guy would have a 5 shot ragged hole group with any gun.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

I’d be interested but won’t happen this year. Doesn’t matter what gun a person is using it is a tool in the grand scheme of things but learning how to use the tool to its max potential is something that I’d be interested in.

The groups ( mine included) I’ve seen in this thread are no screaming hell imo. I would think proper shooting technique combined with a proper load and a guy would have a 5 shot ragged hole group with any gun.

With only having limited time and limited rounds made up, I think a 4 shot group in the .2’s is pretty impressive.

I agree the rifle is just a tool, but I don’t agree all rifles are capable of a five shot-one hole group, at least not consistently.

With the limited expirience I’ve had with this gun I’m going to go out on a limb and say this rifle is going to be capable of shooting sub 1/2 moa consistently, even with my skill set.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

I’d be interested but won’t happen this year. Doesn’t matter what gun a person is using it is a tool in the grand scheme of things but learning how to use the tool to its max potential is something that I’d be interested in.

The groups ( mine included) I’ve seen in this thread are no screaming hell imo. I would think proper shooting technique combined with a proper load and a guy would have a 5 shot ragged hole group with any gun.

After working up loads for many, many rifles over the years, I am convinced that not all rifles are capable of 1/2moa, no matter who is shooting them. I have tried a dozen or more loads with some rifles, and even moa was jot consistent with some riles. Other rifles were easy to get under 1/2mo with multiple loads.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

When you get them dialed in this is what you can expect
Single digit es spreads

Kurt has some work to do still but it will happen

That is pretty nice. If every group on a target board is that tight I am impressed.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

That is pretty nice. If every group on a target board is that tight I am impressed.

I’m by no means an expert but I’ve found that doing all of the little things add up to an accurate consistent rifle
I’ve started to sort my brass. I neck turn them all. Anything thing that could cause a flier I try and eliminate.
I try and get baseline measurements of everything.
I do the Berger seating depth test with a mild load to start
Then I do a ladder test over a chrony looking for the nodes
Load up a few in the middle and try a couple different depths and shoot them over a magnetospeed again.
If the es is low and accuracy is good then you have a winner
If not then I tinker with depths, primers, .1 charge weights changes, neck tension etc
If it’s all over the map, not repeatable, es is high and won’t get better, or velocity is low or inconsistent. I pitch it and try something else

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

I’m by no means an expert but I’ve found that doing all of the little things add up to an accurate consistent rifle
I’ve started to sort my brass. I neck turn them all. Anything thing that could cause a flier I try and eliminate.
I try and get baseline measurements of everything.
I do the Berger seating depth test with a mild load to start
Then I do a ladder test over a chrony looking for the nodes
Load up a few in the middle and try a couple different depths and shoot them over a magnetospeed again.
If the es is low and accuracy is good then you have a winner
If not then I tinker with depths, primers, .1 charge weights changes, neck tension etc
If it’s all over the map, not repeatable, es is high and won’t get better, or velocity is low or inconsistent. I pitch it and try something else

Absolutey not calling BS on your target image, but is that picture posted because it is one of the best groups ever had, or is that an all the time group size. I have a picture of an awesome single ragged hole 5 shot group, but my average group size is not always a single ragged hole, more like 0.6 to 1.2moa, depending on if its a good or a bad day.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

I’m by no means an expert but I’ve found that doing all of the little things add up to an accurate consistent rifle
I’ve started to sort my brass. I neck turn them all. Anything thing that could cause a flier I try and eliminate.
I try and get baseline measurements of everything.
I do the Berger seating depth test with a mild load to start
Then I do a ladder test over a chrony looking for the nodes
Load up a few in the middle and try a couple different depths and shoot them over a magnetospeed again.
If the es is low and accuracy is good then you have a winner
If not then I tinker with depths, primers, .1 charge weights changes, neck tension etc
If it’s all over the map, not repeatable, es is high and won’t get better, or velocity is low or inconsistent. I pitch it and try something else

I don't bother with most of that, but I usually end up in the 1/2moa or better range, at 200m, and well under moa to 500m for average groups.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

Absolutey not calling BS on your target image, but is that picture posted because it is one of the best groups ever had, or is that an all the time group size. I have a picture of an awesome single ragged hole 5 shot group, but my average group size is not always a single ragged hole, more like 0.6 to 1.2moa, depending on if its a good or a bad day.

Oh that’s the best group i shot with it for sure
Usually it’s sub 0.5moa. The es has stayed single digits so that means that it could be me. Once I got this load developed I made one for the 200 gr swifts. Shot just as good and the poi change was under an inch. I verified it out to 500 yards and took it to Kamchatka with me. Had my scope zerod for the 215’s and I knew I was real close with the swifts out to 300 yards

[260 Rem]

Posted up something to try (the 1/2” Challenge). Not a contest between shooters.

[marky_mark]

I like this site
Found this info pretty interesting

https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/...p-size-matter/

[Pathfinder76]

Five years ago if someone spoke of a $10,000 plus synthetic stocked rifle people literally lost their minds. Glad to see that changing.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by chuck

Five years ago if someone spoke of a $10,000 plus synthetic stocked rifle people literally lost their minds. Glad to see that changing.

If some ten years ago said a truck would cost you $100k people would have flipped out too.

[Pathfinder76]

I said 5 :-)