Seems like an anti-Barnes sentiment around here?

[Canuck Bob]

I've noticed some friendly but non flattering comments about Barnes bullets. I know nothing about Barnes and lead free bullet technology. They make a 303 bullet so I thought I might try them when the Ruger arrives.

I'm looking for an education on lead free bullets and Barnes TSX particularly.

[Cowtown guy]

I love 'em. I shoot them in 4 calibres and have never had any problems. I have had pass-thrus with massive blood trails on every single animal except for 1 moose that I shot in the hump. That one stopped about 1/2" from the off side but needless to say it did its job. The bullet started out at .284". It measured .816" with 4 perfect petals when it was cleaned up.

There are some that don't like them, but the numbers that don't like them are far fewer than the ones that love them.

Feel free to PM for more details if you want.

[elkhunter11]

I didn't like the original x bullets,but the TSX,MRX,and TTSX have performed very well for me.They do however,seem to perform best at higher velocities,so unless they are light for caliber,they may not be the best choice for a 303 British.

[redranger15]

Whitetail Junkie loves them and Chuck hates them........or wait

Got my first batch of 120s curiousity got the best of me.

If they shoot well from your rifle they are a good choice but as elkhunter pointed out, velocity is their friend..

[TangoKilo]

Anytime I am looking for a bullet to load in a new rifle, Barnes TTSX is my first choice. I have found them to be very accurate and they kill game EXTREMELY well.

[whitetail Junkie]

Originally Posted by redranger15

Whitetail Junkie loves them and Chuck hates them........or wait

Got my first batch of 120s curiousity got the best of me.

Great Target Bullet for accuracy,thats about it.Thats all i'm going to say,there's no way I'm talking anymore in this thread.

[elkhunter11]

Thats all i'm going to say,there's no way I'm talking anymore in this thread.

Which is a good thing if it's true.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Which is a good thing if it's true.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

there's no way I'm talking anymore in this thread.

[PoppaW]

I love the TSX. Pretty much all I shoot. And high velocity is what makes any mono metal work. I was looking at the new Hornady GMX and guess what, at 2000 fps they almost don't open. Just like the barnes. In my guns and the ranges I shoot they work awesome. If you shoot long range only then there will be better choices. If you want to do it all then make your choice and come here and argue till your blue in the face. That what most do.

[fatrack]

TSX work great for me (.270 & .243) and the wife with mostly pass throughs and no bullets recovered. My experience has been you need to give them lots of jump before they hit the rifling in order to get accuracy.

[ramshorn]

i love the barnes bullets. i use them in 243, 7mm and 325wsm. also use them in my muzzle loader. they also performed as stated and i have recovered three or four from animals over the years with 95% weight retention or better. they allow you to use a lighter bullet and get more velocity with the same killing power as a heavier bullet because they do not shed weight going through the animal like lead bullets do.

[BrownBear416]

Originally Posted by chuck

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

Thats all i'm going to say,there's no way I'm talking anymore in this thread.

Good for you...the first step is admitting you have the problem

[shooter]

300 yd Mule Deer didn't fair very well when these got him. 140 gr tsx in a 7-08
Found both bullets under the hide on the offside shoulder. Both went through 3 feet of deer as it was a quartering shot. Only Barnes I've ever recovered.

[elkhunter11]

You know Schwanky, WT Junkie commented on the bullet and you and your Rat Pack attacked the person with your innuendos. It's a small world out there.

And your post added what useful information to this thread?Unlike you,most other posters actually provided some useful information relating to the topic of the thread.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And your post added what useful information to this thread?Unlike you,most other posters actually provided some useful information relating to the topic of the thread.

Much like your previous post? Refer to post #8 if you forget already

[elkhunter11]

Much like your previous post? Refer to post #8 if you forget already

I never posted that every thread was relevant,rather that most posters on this thread have added some useful and relevant information.Obviously,you missed post #3 where I did add some very relevant information to the topic.On the other hand,neither you,nor Flint have added any information either useful,or relevant to the topic of the thread.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by flint

Thanks MountainTi!! Many times I have commented about "products" ----some I liked and some I didn't like. Once I discribed a product that I didn't like I was attacked by a Rat Pack who are regulars of this talk forum. I just shake my head with these individuals. I would love to talk about guns, reloading and hunting, but these individuals seem to always throw out something to provke an arguement by attacking the person. I just give my head a shake. Thats a great buck in your Avatar!!

There always seems to be a few that have their keyboards permanently set to "ANNOYING". But I suppose it would get kinda boring around here without them, I tend to get a chuckle out of some anyways!
Want some constructive input on Barnes then Elktracker? I have been shooting TSX out of a .270 WSM I have in the safe, and so far they shoot better than anything else I have been able to load up in it(accubonds, partitions, trophy bonded), so no complaints about them.

[Floppy]

the tsx works great in my 300wsm and like they said already the faster you push them the better they get.

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I never posted that every thread was relevant,rather that most posters on this thread have added some useful and relevant information.Obviously,you missed post #3 where I did add some very relevant information to the topic.On the other hand,neither you,nor Flint have added any information either useful,or relevant to the topic of the thread.

EH11, While you do know a great deal about firearms and reloading and your facts and opinions are most welcome. YOU NEED TO LIGHTEN UP DUDE! There now I have added my 2 cents of worthless drivel. As for Barnes bullets, my experience was with the original x bullet (180gr/30 cal). Wasn't too impressed. Found narrow wound channels with no colateral hemmoraging(probably didn't open properly ?) Thanks to some ballistic upgrading by yourself on the properties of the tsx, ttsx etc I may give them another whirl, but I will use a lighter bullet weight than I typically would with a lead core bullet. Again EH11 thanks for the lesson.

[elkhunter11]

There now I have added my 2 cents of worthless drivel. As for Barnes bullets, my experience was with the original x bullet (180gr/30 cal). Wasn't too impressed. Found narrow wound channels with no colateral hemmoraging(probably didn't open properly ?) Thanks to some ballistic upgrading by yourself on the properties of the tsx, ttsx etc I may give them another whirl, but I will use a lighter bullet weight than I typically would with a lead core bullet. Again EH11 thanks for the lesson.

You may have added some worthless drivel,but you did also add some useful information in the form of some first hand experience with Barnes bullets,that may interest some readers.Like most posters,your main purpose appeared to be to add relevant information to the topic,rather than to add absolutely nothing but accusations directed toward other posters.I find it very ironic that someone would even bother to post on a thread,for the sole purpose of attacking other posters,by accusing them of attacking yet other posters.Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[uraarchr]

one recovered barnes mrx at over 400 yds from a moose was perfect mushroom. another moose at well over 400 yds went down after about 30 yds.both were barnes mrx(tungsten core) out of a .300wsm Tikka.and they shoot really tight out of the Tikka.

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

You may have added some worthless drivel,but you did also add some useful information in the form of some first hand experience with Barnes bullets,that may interest some readers.Like most posters,your main purpose appeared to be to add relevant information to the topic,rather than to add absolutely nothing but accusations directed toward other posters.I find it very ironic that someone would even bother to post on a thread,for the sole purpose of attacking other posters,by accusing them of attacking yet other posters.Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Just for the record I am not verbally attacking you. Hope you didn't take it that way, but nothing wrong with throwing a little drivel in from time to time either . I agree with you as well as most on this forum that we all need to take pause before we hit submit. Personal attacks as well as telling forum members that they must not be very knowledgable about reloading can be construed as a personal affront. I don't expect to find any experts on this forum , just good sound advise from every day folk. And with some luck , have a bit of fun along the way.

[elkhunter11]

Just for the record I am not verbally attacking you. Hope you didn't take it that way,

I never took your post as a personal attack,I was referring to a previous poster.

Personal attacks as well as telling forum members that they must not be very knowledgable about reloading can be construed as a personal affront.

Actually I posted

If you believe that just because one 270win drives a specific copper bullet faster than one 280rem,proves that all 270win rifles will drive a copper bullet faster than all 280rem rifles,you have very limited reloading experience.

Do you believe that anyone with considerable reloading experience would dispute the above statement?
Due to differences in barrel dimensions,chambers,lot#s of powders and other components,velocities published in a single manual,aren't a reliable resource for comparing various cartridges.One also must take any difference in barrel lengths into consideration.In fact,the velocities listed in the manuals for a given load can vary considerably from the actual velocity produced in another rifle,even if the barrel lengths are the same.Any experienced reloader should know these things.To suggest otherwise,indicates to me,that a person has limited reloading experience.

To further complicate things,some data listed in manuals is more than a little suspect.An example would be in one of my Nosler manuals,where a 165gr bullet out of a 300win mag with a 24" barrel is listed as producing more velocity than the very same 165gr bullet out of a 300wby with a 26" barrel.This is using the highest velocity listed for each cartridge with the same 165gr bullet.A reloader with considerable experience,would realize that something is very suspect in this case,but someone with little experience might assume that the 300winmag with a 24" barrel will always produce more velocity with 165gr bullets than a 300wby with a 26" barrel.

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Do you believe that anyone with considerable reloading experience would dispute the above statement?
Due to differences in barrel dimensions,chambers,lot#s of powders and other components,velocities published in a single manual,aren't a reliable resource for comparing various cartridges.One also must take any difference in barrel lengths into consideration.In fact,the velocities listed in the manuals for a given load can vary considerably from the actual velocity produced in another rifle,even if the barrel lengths are the same.Any experienced reloader should know these things.To suggest otherwise,indicates to me,that a person has limited reloading experience.

I rest my case, Lighten up

[elkhunter11]

I rest my case, Lighten up

Just what is your case?Is it that anyone that knows a bit about reloading and ballistics should not say anything when someone posts some suspect information,so as not to offend anyone?Letting other readers,that are trying to learn about reloading and ballistics be mislead by suspect information certainly isn't doing them any favors.I would rather see suspect information be exposed for what it is,that let other people be led astray,even if it means that someone might be offended.

Originally Posted by flint

You know Schwanky, WT Junkie commented on the bullet and you and your Rat Pack attacked the person with your innuendos. It's a small world out there.

You seem to have trouble distinguishing an attack from a little good-natured ribbing. I actually quite like your son...he seems like a good kid. It's the internet, it's okay to have a little fun here. I'd say old Ty can stick up for himself quite well and is quite likely embarrassed that Daddy thinks he can't. Give the boy some credit...he seems to have his crap together!

[spurly]

Another thread gone way astray.