So the feds are looking at cyber bullying laws...

[silverdoctor]

Has anyone actually researched the new laws on cyberbullying in Nova Scotia? Typical knee jerk reaction, comparable to the gun registry after the school shooting where basically all gun owners were treated as criminals.

NS also set up an Americanized tort allowing victims to sue - well, who are they going to sue? The parents of course - maybe that'll get the attention of all the "not my kids" parents but as for the rest? It'll be interesting to see where it all goes.

And from the outside we're looking at a rinse and repeat of Bill-C30 - get visions of Teows standing on his soapbox yelling "you're either with the government or you're one of them... Police get greater powers to get ISP records, they can enter your home and seize computers etc.

All this when there's already laws on the books to protect kids from cyberbullying - they just aren't enforced.

If the feds adopt the cyberbullying laws passed in Nova Scotia, Canada as a whole are going to be criminals - guilty until proven innocent. All it's going to take is someone to point a finger at you.

[Okotokian]

Rather than all of us going to read the legislation, could you quote or otherwise describe some of the offending passages that concern you? Thanks.

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Rather than all of us going to read the legislation, could you quote or otherwise describe some of the offending passages that concern you? Thanks.

You should be charged with passive aggressive bullying.

If what silverquack professes is true, AO would consist of Fisherrrrgirl and,,,, well just fisherrrrgirrrl.

We'd all be locked up doing a live version of general discussion at Drum Pen

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Gust

You should be charged with passive aggressive bullying.

Listen Buster (tip o the hat to the avatar) I'm rarely passively aggressive.

And yes, there must be a lot of eye-rolling on the part of the ladies on the forum.

[rugatika]

Enjoy.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Rather than all of us going to read the legislation, could you quote or otherwise describe some of the offending passages that concern you? Thanks.

I'll do a bit of foot work for you... Doesn't anyone read this stuff?

https://www.google.ca/#q=nova+scotia...y+act+synopsis


Heart is in the right place, but could be bad for many... Mostly left to the courts to decide what should be done and penalties handed out.

[DiabeticKripple]

this might be a little rude, but if someone is bullying you on say facebook or twitter, there is a thing called "block" and they can no longer contact you.

or you know, you could just walk away from the computer.

certainly there are other forms of cyberbullying.

[Okotokian]

Ok, read up on it some. Agree with concerns. Nice intent but law is way too broad. Of particular concern is the fact that someone can get a protection order against you and you have no avenue to present your side, recieve a fair hearing.

Bad law.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

this might be a little rude, but if someone is bullying you on say facebook or twitter, there is a thing called "block" and they can no longer contact you.

or you know, you could just walk away from the computer.

certainly there are other forms of cyberbullying.

Wouldn't classify it as rude at all - that's called being an adult. Unfortunately some adults are far worse than the kids.

Some of the stories coming out of facebook are just incredible. One example is a group created by adults - for adults - for the sole purpose of uploading pics of other peoples babies, toddlers and kids for the sole purpose of making fun of them. People are really getting sad this day in age.


What worries me about the feds is the ideal that they tried to make a grab for your personal life already - now that they can sell it as a "child safety" issue, it's probably going to pass.

Bill c-30 tried to make a grab for real time access to everything you do from your ISP, text messages etc. The cons have a track record now, they won't give up til they have it.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Wouldn't classify it as rude at all - that's called being an adult. Unfortunately some adults are far worse than the kids.

Some of the stories coming out of facebook are just incredible. One example is a group created by adults - for adults - for the sole purpose of uploading pics of other peoples babies, toddlers and kids for the sole purpose of making fun of them. People are really getting sad this day in age.


What worries me about the feds is the ideal that they tried to make a grab for your personal life already - now that they can sell it as a "child safety" issue, it's probably going to pass.

Bill c-30 tried to make a grab for real time access to everything you do from your ISP, text messages etc. The cons have a track record now, they won't give up til they have it.

I'd be surprised if they don't have complete access already. If memory isn't failing me the libs were developing a big data base on every Canadian when they were in power...so it's not just the cons that see a value in spying on us. ;-)

[Vingiu]

Sheesh… How about kids toughen up a little bit, put on their big-boy/girl pants and learn (with their parents' help) to deal with bullies? Oh, that's right, retaliative hitting isn't allowed on the schoolyard.

When the kid with the overgrown pituitary is whaling on the runt of the class, he's expected to sit there and take it until he can go complain to the teacher, who will do nothing to address the problem.

Wimps and whiners will be the downfall of generation Y.

[brownbomber]

I don't know, it's a mean old world these days. Teenagers have always been mean but now it's getting worse. Not only can the "mîsunderstood" make your life miserable at school they can belittle you for all the world to see. Say if the picked on kid them goes and punches rumor spreader in the face they are then charged.

People need to teach their children to be respectful and solve problems without resorting to character assaination. The odds of your kid having that happen to them are fat greater than getting violently assaulted with a weapon.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Enjoy.

I think your comment is ironic given the phrase that graces your signature.

[Smokinyotes]

Ya kids can be mean. I always remember the saying sticks and stones may break bones but names will never hurt me. People need thicker skins. If kids wouldn't post pictures of them selves nude or otherwise on the net their would be a lot less bullying. In my day you solved some of the school problems with kids with a good old fashioned a** kicking but now a days I guess that wouldn't be politically correct.

I have always taught my kids never to be the bully and if they are being bullied to just ignore it, walk away and it will go away. I have always told them to never take the first punch but to always take the last one.

[Jimboy]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Has anyone actually researched the new laws on cyberbullying in Nova Scotia? Typical knee jerk reaction, comparable to the gun registry after the school shooting where basically all gun owners were treated as criminals.

NS also set up an Americanized tort allowing victims to sue - well, who are they going to sue? The parents of course - maybe that'll get the attention of all the "not my kids" parents but as for the rest? It'll be interesting to see where it all goes.

And from the outside we're looking at a rinse and repeat of Bill-C30 - get visions of Teows standing on his soapbox yelling "you're either with the government or you're one of them... Police get greater powers to get ISP records, they can enter your home and seize computers etc.

All this when there's already laws on the books to protect kids from cyberbullying - they just aren't enforced.

If the feds adopt the cyberbullying laws passed in Nova Scotia, Canada as a whole are going to be criminals - guilty until proven innocent. All it's going to take is someone to point a finger at you.

wheres my freedom of speech here? if l feel the need to call a jerk a nasty name, thats my right and if they dont like it ,TURN OFF YOUR BLUDY COMPUTOR

[silverdoctor]

Yep, seems to be some rinse and repeat of bill C-30.

Get a finger pointed at you and it's search and seizure of computers and cell phones – interesting investigation processes - gag orders – ISP's forced to retain data and turn it over... Yeah, this should get interesting – get informed.


Tabled yesterday by Mackay in the house:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...guage=E&Mode=1

Text of the bill itself along with judicial orders – if you're interested in perusing it:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...&File=27&Col=1

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

I'd be surprised if they don't have complete access already. If memory isn't failing me the libs were developing a big data base on every Canadian when they were in power...so it's not just the cons that see a value in spying on us. ;-)

That's the problem right now, "everyone" has heard about the NSA and what they do - but it seems the vast majority of Canadians have never heard about CSEC (Communications Security Establishment Canada). CSEC is Canada's version of the NSA - what are they tapped into?

Google news on CSEC, it'll surprise you. They are doing the same bloody thing that the NSA is doing, same schemes, same tracking of metadata but it's coming out gradually that they are just as bad for monitoring Canadians as the NSA is with the American public.

Seems that Canadians in general think that we're too nice, we wouldn't do that, we wouldn't spy on people. Sheesh.

[Reeves1]

So the feds are looking at cyber bullying laws

So, if you guys say something bad about a Pinto, I can sue you ?

[Nova]

Interesting conversation on the way to work today that made me wonder if there are some other root causes beyond the bullying itself. Guy I car pool with said his wife was going for parent teacher interviews tonight. The school division changed over to a system of ranking the child from 1 to 4 in a class, with 4 being the worst. No percentage range given to help put the ranking into context. No indication of areas needing improvement. His middle child got mostly 3's and is coming up on high school soon. He says they have no idea where she stands, is she borderline between 3 and 4 or 3 and 2. Would she have a failing mark under the old system. There is no such thing as failing a class now. No honour roll because it excludes those who can't make it. They can re-write tests as many times as they want. Assignment deadlines are just a formality, they have until the end of the year to complete it. He said these kids have no concept of adversity or how to get by. By not allowing kids to fail in school they are being set up to fail at life. I see a school system that is doing nothing but building a generation of fragile people who break the second they are no longer being coddled.

[silverdoctor]

I find people interesting – laws on doorknobs and winter tires generate pages of debate but laws that make you an automatic criminal go unnoticed. I was hoping someone would actually read the bill and comment, this bill goes way beyond cyberbullying.

Do you use VPN or proxies to access Netflix USA? Congratulations, you're soon to be guilty of an indictable crime punishable by up to 2 years in prison. Got your attention yet?

327. (1) Everyone who, without lawful excuse, makes, possesses, sells, offers for sale, imports, obtains for use, distributes or makes available a device that is designed or adapted primarily to use a telecommunication facility or obtain a telecommunication service without payment of a lawful charge, under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the device has been used or is or was intended to be used for that purpose, is
(a) guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years; or
(b) guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Transmit an image/video via text, over the internet etc that is deemed to be pornographic can get you in trouble. If it's underage, definitely and that's a good part of this law.

The key word here is consent– if that part is up in the air, you could be in for trouble – the key being guilty until proven innocent. Now here's the big kicker:

Your computers, phone, anything relating to transmitting that image can be seized by the courts and have forensic analysis performed on the hard drives. Do you know where your computer has been in the past? Do you realize that a forensic analysis can retrieve internet activity dating back to when you bought your pc if it's not properly cleaned out? Have a friend that may have used your PC for questionable surfing without your knowledge? Too bad, it's your computer, you're on the hook, you pay the price.


These next sections are pretty self explanatory – and wide reaching. What's going to happen to forums in the future? Someone gets butthurt and goes whining to the authorities?

False information
372. (1) Everyone commits an offence who, with intent to injure or alarm a person, conveys information that they know is false, or causes such information to be conveyed by letter or any means of telecommunication.

Indecent communications
(2) Everyone commits an offence who, with intent to alarm or annoy a person, makes an indecent communication to that person or to any other person by a means of telecommunication.

Harassing communications
(3) Everyone commits an offence who, without lawful excuse and with intent to harass a person, repeatedly communicates, or causes repeated communications to be made, with them by a means of telecommunication.
Punishment

(4) Everyone who commits an offence under this section is
(a) guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years; or
(b) guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Tapping into peoples wireless networks? Not anymore

People, this is just basics and doesn't cover it all - the ramafications of this new bill are going to be staggering.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Yep, seems to be some rinse and repeat of bill C-30.

Get a finger pointed at you and it's search and seizure of computers and cell phones – interesting investigation processes - gag orders – ISP's forced to retain data and turn it over... Yeah, this should get interesting – get informed.


Tabled yesterday by Mackay in the house:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...guage=E&Mode=1

Text of the bill itself along with judicial orders – if you're interested in perusing it:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...&File=27&Col=1

Yup.

Its a bad idea period but... what should really be setting people off is what they didn't release in the Coles Notes on this.

Unprecedented powers of search on the part of the RCMP.
Yes...once again...like the omnibus bill... we see something sinister hidden within a bill that on the face seemed quite reasonable of benign.

The government is again leaning towards a fascist state where the police are in our homes and in our private lives.

More and more it seems like the only thing Conservative about the Harper government how conservative they are about telling us the whole story and the truth.

We've seen nibbling at individual rights that is unparalleled since P.E. Trudeau.
They are doing a better job of selling Liberalism than the guys in the opposition are.