Why .22 WMR?

[270person]

Can't go wrong with a CZ Rimfire. They all shoot so it really comes down to personal preference. I own several, 452's, 453's, 455's and 457's in each of 22LR and 17hmr, standard and heavy barrels. The 457 addressed a lot of the more common complaints CZ owners had i.e. trigger, bolt throw, safety, bolt stop, etc but you should be aware the 457 is a much bigger and heavier rifle.

If I was forced to keep only one style and cartridge it'd be the Lux versions in 17hmr, and the older models have a lot more presence. I'm just a big fan of the "look", the wood, and they also happen to be the most accurate in my collection. In "my" hands anyways. All of my CZ's are scoped including the Lux. The Euro style stocks facilitate open sight shooting but scoping isn't an issue if you go with a Lux.

Caution tho. They can become an addiction. Fun little guns.

[fishnguy]

Thanks for all the advice. Greatly appreciated.

WMR is out of consideration. But .17HMR is in, lol.

Also, I think someone bought the WMR I was looking at, unless I looked at something else. It was a great deal, whoever picked one up.

Originally Posted by urban rednek

22WMR is a hunting round with questionable accuracy due to ammunition quality; there is no 22WMR match grade ammunition.

I think that’s the reason and what elkhunter said I have never pulled the trigger on one.

Originally Posted by 270person

you should be aware the 457 is a much bigger and heavier rifle.

I looked at some specs and weight is about the same on comparable models (same stock, barrel length, etc).

Is there any real difference between beech and walnut stocks aside from the looks?

[270person]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Thanks for all the advice. Greatly appreciated.

WMR is out of consideration. But .17HMR is in, lol.

Also, I think someone bought the WMR I was looking at, unless I looked at something else. It was a great deal, whoever picked one up.



I think that’s the reason and what elkhunter said I have never pulled the trigger on one.



I looked at some specs and weight is about the same on comparable models (same stock, barrel length, etc).

Is there any real difference between beech and walnut stocks aside from the looks?

Re weight most of the 455's outside of the lux and other step ups have 20.5" barrels vs the 457's 24" non lux. Stock is a lot more substantial too. My 457s feel a lot more substantial stock wise too but I've never weighed them. To me it doesn't matter much because I'm not carrying as a rule.

Id stay away from the beech option. One of the best attributes of CZ is usually very nice walnut. It stains a lot nicer than the beech and resale on the beech is much lower. Not a CZ if its sitting in a beech stock imo.

Were you looking at Gotenda as the provider?

[fishnguy]

Thanks, 270. Yes, Tenda it is.

[fishnguy]

Kind of narrowed the choices to these two:

- CZ 455 LUX Stainless 21″ Barrel 17HMR Rifle Walnut 10+1

- CZ 457 American 22 LR 24″ Threaded Barrel 1/2×20 Walnut

Went through the checkout with the American, but stopped before completing the purchase.

Not really sure. What you say?

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Kind of narrowed the choices to these two:

- CZ 455 LUX Stainless 21″ Barrel 17HMR Rifle Walnut 10+1

- CZ 457 American 22 LR 24″ Threaded Barrel 1/2×20 Walnut

Went through the checkout with the American, but stopped before completing the purchase.

Not really sure. What you say?

Can't decide, buy both. You will likely be happy having one of each.

[fishnguy]

^ Haha. That would be easy. It has to be only one for now, unfortunately.

I am also thinking I should have grabbed that WMR too, lol. Heck of a deal. It’s back in stock now for a $100 more.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

^ Haha. That would be easy. It has to be only one for now, unfortunately.

I am also thinking I should have grabbed that WMR too, lol. Heck of a deal. It’s back in stock now for a $100 more.

Money is often a consideration. Think about it this way when deciding. 2000 rounds of HMR you paid for the second gun. You can shoot 10,000 22 RF for the same money.

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Money is often a consideration. Think about it this way when deciding. 2000 rounds of HMR you paid for the second gun. You can shoot 10,000 22 RF for the same money.

Dean is correct, unless you have a purpose for the "magnum" rimfires they are expensive, if your a plinked the .22RF are by far the "better" choice.

However even the economics of the rimfire must be considered when doing high volume varmint shooting. I pay 0.10+ cents a round for my .22 ammo not because I have deep pockets, but because I use one round to 2-3 rounds of the "cheap" stuff to have the gopher DRT...Many will argue this, but I shoot a lot of gophers over the year and the higher priced ammo gives me a better return on my investment. Having said that the .17HMR in the CZ rifles (savages suck), give me an extra 100-150yds of range and take a lot of the guess work out of trajectory, wind etc. that you have with the .22 RF, so for long range work they soon pay for themselves.

[GopherGetter]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have owned the 22lr, 17mach2, 17hmr, 17 hornet and 22 hornet, but I could never make a case to own a 22magnum. It just doesn't do anything that one of the other cartridges doesn't do better.

I have to disagree on this one. I loved my .17HMR...until I got a .22WMR. Anything the .17HMR can do, the .22WMR (with 30gr v-max) can do better. Marginal difference in velocity and bullet drop, but maintains more energy beyond 100yrds.

Once I got the .22WMR, the .17HMR hasn't made it out to the gopher pasture. The .17HMR really is a point and shoot and not really think about drop, but the .22WMR bucks the wind better and maintains it's energy. If I'm shooting lots less than 100yds, I just use the .22LR.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by GopherGetter

I have to disagree on this one. I loved my .17HMR...until I got a .22WMR. Anything the .17HMR can do, the .22WMR (with 30gr v-max) can do better. Marginal difference in velocity and bullet drop, but maintains more energy beyond 100yrds.

Once I got the .22WMR, the .17HMR hasn't made it out to the gopher pasture. The .17HMR really is a point and shoot and not really think about drop, but the .22WMR bucks the wind better and maintains it's energy. If I'm shooting lots less than 100yds, I just use the .22LR.

yup the 22LR is awesome and the 22 mag....well gets it done with a little more authority...the rest are just that...the rest....

[270person]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

^ Haha. That would be easy. It has to be only one for now, unfortunately.

I am also thinking I should have grabbed that WMR too, lol. Heck of a deal. It’s back in stock now for a $100 more.

Hope you get what you order. I prefer to buy closer to home. Like a new 457 American 17hmr for $560 and a 15 minute drive to pick it up.

Had a 457 22wmr for 6 months then sold it. Did nothing the hmr wouldn't do but for more money. Dropped a standing booner gopher at 175 yds in a strong crosswind last spring. First shot made him look over his shoulder. Second hit him mid chest. With the 22 mag and 40 grains I'd have been holding well over him vs a half inch left of his ear. Love the hmr and couldn't justify the wmr. Gone and replaced with another hmr.

[Smokinyotes]

The 17 hmr does outshine the 22wmr in the gopher patch but sitting on the bank of a beaver pond the 17 does not come close to the 22 mag.

[roper1]

I shoot a .22 mag, my wife a .22LR with Stingers. She needs the odd follow up shot. She has almost the same range as I do, but when that old slow mag gets there, it's one & done.

Sometimes the Hornet or the .223 come along, but rarely. The mag just gets it done so nicely. The hunting rifles get a bit of a workout later in the year, real life shooting seems to help.

[270person]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

The 17 hmr does outshine the 22wmr in the gopher patch but sitting on the bank of a beaver pond the 17 does not come close to the 22 mag.

I'd rather shoot 400 gophers in a day, while driving around in an air conditioned truck, with a pool noodle and Dodge mirrors, than sit by a slough for hours, getting raped by mosquitos, hoping for 3 shots at a beaver.

Can't think of one reason why a 17gr bullet at 2500 fps to the head wouldn't get the job done. Gophers sure don't fly any higher or explode into more pieces with the wmr.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by 270person

Hope you get what you order. I prefer to buy closer to home. Like a new 457 American 17hmr for $560 and a 15 minute drive to pick it up.

Where is that? Do they have an online shop. I don’t have a luxury of driving for 15 minutes and picking one up, lol.

[270person]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Where is that? Do they have an online shop. I don’t have a luxury of driving for 15 minutes and picking one up, lol.

No online. No shipping I dont believe but could ask. Where r u located?

[fishnguy]

Peace River.

I have dealt with Tenda a few times before. I am sure they will send what I buy. Also, shipping is free on anything over $300.

[hilt134]

I never saw the point of all the 22 based cartridges myself. Though the point that was brought up about extra power with out ruining the hide is definitely a worth while thought. If it isn't an issue for you why not get a completely diffrent caliber like a 17hmr? Somthing completely diffrent