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Old 01-07-2017, 06:15 PM
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Just in case anyone is considering making a large purchase of snares, you should be made aware that there is a very strong possibility that BADs will be mandatory on snares next season. I would say that the chance of it happening is 100%.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:19 PM
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Any idea of the size that may be required? I'm ok with it, I run BADS on all my snares anyway. I did bump up a size this year though.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:23 PM
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:27 PM
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Break Away Device. It's an S shaped link in the snare designed to release animals heavier than the intended target.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:46 PM
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The information about this is posted on the public domain so I have no idea why Trappers haven't been given more notice about this. Check the 2016 resolutions from the AGM on the ATA website for all of the details about it.
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Thanks Dave, I find it interesting the resolution to prohibit going to the media with non target catches was not carried.
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Thanks Dave, I find it interesting the resolution to prohibit going to the media with non target catches was not carried.
That's not how I understood it. It sounded to me like the resolution was to muzzle the bios (lol) and not allow them to make the information available to the general public. No doubt that'd go absolutely nowhere.
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That's not how I understood it. It sounded to me like the resolution was to muzzle the bios (lol) and not allow them to make the information available to the general public. No doubt that'd go absolutely nowhere.
Yes it was intended to muzzle the bios and co's by the sounds of it. It says withdrawn so I'm not sure if it did not pass or was withdrawn by the person who proposed it.
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In a way unless they make it mandatory for a 265lbs break away, if you really didn't want to use BAD's for fear of losing a catch, just use the 1000lbs BAD's. And I doubt they could say it's mandatory to use 265's because no one would snare wolves with them.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:36 AM
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Surely sensible compliance is desireable. If people would get stupid about it then mandatory stuff comes down and you lose options and freedoms. One area that I am snaring has a wolf running around, with sensible legislation, I can rig a couple dozen wolf snares and have set it. With over-restrictive legislation, I will be unable to do such and hold such. So... be good, kids!
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Surely sensible compliance is desireable. If people would get stupid about it then mandatory stuff comes down and you lose options and freedoms. One area that I am snaring has a wolf running around, with sensible legislation, I can rig a couple dozen wolf snares and have set it. With over-restrictive legislation, I will be unable to do such and hold such. So... be good, kids!
Totally agree with Marty here, we all have a responsibility to keep up with the improvements brought forward by others. If any trappers out there aren't using BADS, please begin doing so when you buy or build your next batch of snares, it's better for us all.
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I have no issue with this resolution, I use the appropriate sized BADs in all of my snares. What I do have a problem with is having to search for information like this in order to know about it. Alberta Trappers shouldn't have to scrounge around to keep informed of trapping issues without having to attend meetings, BBQs or picnics to know what is going on......or at least what the adults want to tell us.
On the positive side, in December the ATA started to send out newsletters to help keep the membership informed so perhaps the tide is turning in the right direction.
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Well, if BAD's are going to be mandatory... How about on power ram snares? I have a bunch of power rams, but only use them in specific locations where I want to make sure the trail stays intact. I only use them when I have to because of the lack of release for them. I never use them where livestock could be.

Does anyone have a good release method on power rams?

I have considered putting an S BAD on either end of the snare. On the loop end, it seemed like it would be too slippery to hold the loop and awkward to use. On the Ram side, it would release the whole snare - leaving the critter with some jewelry which could cause problems later... which mr. farmer would not appreciate.

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Well, if BAD's are going to be mandatory... How about on power ram snares? I have a bunch of power rams, but only use them in specific locations where I want to make sure the trail stays intact. I only use them when I have to because of the lack of release for them. I never use them where livestock could be.

Does anyone have a good release method on power rams?

I have considered putting an S BAD on either end of the snare. On the loop end, it seemed like it would be too slippery to hold the loop and awkward to use. On the Ram side, it would release the whole snare - leaving the critter with some jewelry which could cause problems later... which mr. farmer would not appreciate.

Graham.
I've been using nothing but Rams for the last two years. I run a BAD on them in the same position as a regular snare. I let a few go at first because a normally crimped 265 was too light for the way I anchor my Rams. Overcrimped 265 holds just fine but I switched to a normally crimped 385 because I was unsure of the release weight of an overcrimped 265.

I load all my snares and they're very fast and I get good high catches most of the time. Sometimes I think they're too fast or my loops are too smal because I catch the odd one ahead of the ears (rarely). Overall they work very well.

If you're anchoring your ram through the eye of the spring I suspect a 265 would be ok. I anchor mine from the arm with the split link where the snare attaches, I didn't like the idea of the cable "sawing" on the trigger when anchored to the eye.
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FWIW,
I use cam locks with 385 BADs on RAM Power snares.
No issues, works as it should.
Would welcome constructive criticism on this...
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I run a BAD on them in the same position as a regular snare.Overcrimped 265 holds just fine but I switched to a normally crimped 385 because I was unsure of the release weight of an overcrimped 265.

Sometimes I think they're too fast or my loops are too smal because I catch the odd one ahead of the ears (rarely). Overall they work very well.

I anchor mine from the arm with the split link where the snare attaches, I didn't like the idea of the cable "sawing" on the trigger when anchored to the eye.
Good to know. If its working for you, I will have to give it a try.
Yeah I thought the smooth BAD would cause the snare to be too fast. And the loop to hang too loosely/be able to swing too much.
I anchor around the split link arm as well... mostly because anchoring to the eye can be a pain the the butt. I have nice big end loops in my anchor cable, and just slip an end loop over the top ring and split link before attaching the snare. Once the snare is on, the anchor cable can't slip off.

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I use cam locks with 385 BADs on RAM Power snares.
No issues, works as it should.
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I don't see why that wouldn't work either. The lock wouldn't even need good/any teeth.
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I use cam locks with 385 BADs on RAM Power snares.
No issues, works as it should.
Would welcome constructive criticism on this...
Are you using the camlocks because you think they're backing out or kicking the snare off before the Ram fires? Are you loading your snares? There's been a few times I've wondered if they kicked the snare off before the ram fired.

Otherwise you're lessening the poor weather effectiveness advantage of the Ram imo. They function with significant frost/ice on the cable.
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Good to know. If its working for you, I will have to give it a try.
Yeah I thought the smooth BAD would cause the snare to be too fast. And the loop to hang too loosely/be able to swing too much.
I anchor around the split link arm as well... mostly because anchoring to the eye can be a pain the the butt. I have nice big end loops in my anchor cable, and just slip an end loop over the top ring and split link before attaching the snare. Once the snare is on, the anchor cable can't slip off.


I don't see why that wouldn't work either. The lock wouldn't even need good/any teeth.
Are you not using wire as a support to hang the snare from? Your comment about being able to swing too freely has me wondering. I set them like a regular snare where it must travel uphill before it fires. I've got a few hundred coyotes under my belt but I'm far from an expert.
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I feel that if they do not react to aggressively to the cable, They could quite easily back out.
I do in fact load all of my snares.
It takes a fair bit of force to fire the Ram and I feel this could only be a upgrade to an already great system
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I feel that if they do not react to aggressively to the cable, They could quite easily back out.
I do in fact load all of my snares.
It takes a fair bit of force to fire the Ram and I feel this could only be a upgrade to an already great system
Thanks! So I'm not crazy thinking I've had the odd one kick it off. It had crossed my mind to add a lock but I didnt want to complicate things.

I thought the loop was too small for them to just back out of it if the snare had closed. I could be wrong.
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Just in case anyone is considering making a large purchase of snares, you should be made aware that there is a very strong possibility that BADs will be mandatory on snares next season. I would say that the chance of it happening is 100%.
Has anyone heard about it ? I will start to work on my stuff for the next season soon and it would be good to know ?
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It behooves all of us to go to lengths to avoid bycatch and use the most humane snaring systems available to us. A properly tested and rated BAD along with kill spring is a no brainer to me. I'm surprised that such a change would meet residence from anyone who cares about trapping freedom.
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It behooves all of us to go to lengths to avoid bycatch and use the most humane snaring systems available to us. A properly tested and rated BAD along with kill spring is a no brainer to me. I'm surprised that such a change would meet residence from anyone who cares about trapping freedom.
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It behooves all of us to go to lengths to avoid bycatch and use the most humane snaring systems available to us. A properly tested and rated BAD along with kill spring is a no brainer to me. I'm surprised that such a change would meet residence from anyone who cares about trapping freedom.
*Resistance not residence lol damn iPhones
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*Resistance not residence lol damn iPhones
Think we know what you meant Great post by the way . Why anyone would want to use a snare without a breakaway is beyond me . Even tho our efforts to be humane and improve our systems will largely be ignored by anti's it does show that we are trying
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Here ! Here ! , used for a long time , senneker system , won't use anything else , although I have given the Rams a try with BADS on them & Ram's do the job when they work , catches I mean , didn't care for the refusal's but this can happen with any system . Mine sit as spares collecting dust .
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Has anyone heard about it ? I will start to work on my stuff for the next season soon and it would be good to know ?
I'd include BAD's on my new snares just in case it is legislated for next season. Better to have and not need rather than need and not have.
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Think we know what you meant Great post by the way . Why anyone would want to use a snare without a breakaway is beyond me . Even tho our efforts to be humane and improve our systems will largely be ignored by anti's it does show that we are trying
Can I ask what size of breakaway you use or would recommend? Honestly I have the most issue with moose as they seem to love to inspect bait sites.
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