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Old 08-15-2015, 02:48 PM
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Default 350 Rem mag shotshells

I want to try something different Speer has shot capsules available for reloading, thinking of trying some out in my 350 Rem mag. with somewhere around 5-10 grs. of Titegroup with a gob of Dacron. Hope I'm not building a grenade, they come in .357

Should work good for grouse while moose hunting, just wondering if anybody else has tried that? Seating depth could be a problem although there's lot of room in the case

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Old 08-15-2015, 03:10 PM
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I did this for years with 44Mag shot capsules loaded in 444 cases. The critical factor is powder load; generally, less is better.
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Old 08-15-2015, 03:13 PM
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I did this for years with 44Mag shot capsules loaded in 444 cases. The critical factor is powder load; generally, less is better.
That's what I was thinking slower the better what powder did you use
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I've loaded them for the .444 as well. Used 8 gr. of blue dot and I think #9 shot. Worked quite well on grouse.
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Old 08-15-2015, 05:32 PM
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After doing some research I found that the capsules shouldn't be used in bottle necked cartridges only straight cases. The capsules are too long and the part that would extend into the case will rupture upon ignition mixing the shot with the gases basically becoming ineffective. In other words FAIL!
I have a game getter for in 338, puts a big hole in a grouse I guess a 35 will be a little bigger LOL
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:56 AM
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A better solution is 3 or 4 grains of Trail Boss and a 35 calibre round ball. Very accurate and very quiet. You can easily head shoot grouse to 25-30 yards, you just need to learn where the round balls hit.

Most of my guns they hit between 2 and 3 inches directly below the point of aim and will shoot dime size groups. Other choice is the Hammond game getter. Does the same job.

The round balls have much better range than shot loads out of rifled barrels and I have tried shot loads in the 45-70, 444 and 38-55.

http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/

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Ordered another game getter for the 350 I thought some shotshells wouldn't mess them up so much. Trying to use Kentucky windage for head shots is a little tricky in the forest and with the game getters you only get one shot. I shoot for the neck area but a 338 ball going sideways through the breast makes a big feathery hole.
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Ordered another game getter for the 350 I thought some shotshells wouldn't mess them up so much. Trying to use Kentucky windage for head shots is a little tricky in the forest and with the game getters you only get one shot. I shoot for the neck area but a 338 ball going sideways through the breast makes a big feathery hole.
That is why I like the regular brass loaded with Trail Boss and round balls. They make for a lot faster reloads than re-rigging the game getter. You can also play with the amount of powder to get it to shoot exactly below point of aim. With most plex scopes I set the load to hit right where the plex goes from thin to fat. For Mildot or other types of marked reticle I set the load velocity to hit first Mildot or whatever the first mark is below the crosshair is at 20 yards. You can easily get 35 calibre balls, they are actually .36 but work fine, from any muzzle loading shop. (Triple 0 buck is also .36 if you can find that) The pure soft lead squeezes down real easy and gets a good spin from the rifling.
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I'll give that a try I have some 000 buck loads I can carve up and some Titegroup to try. A pocket full those would work fine long as I didn't mix them up with my regular loads might make a moose mad
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Be very careful when using Dacron pushed by a light charge, if the puff ball does not exit the bore or only partially burns up leaving a synthetic deposit gummed up in the grooves then next round down the barrel will cause damage. I would stay away from the notion of Dacron in a bottle neck case its just to risky, if it lodged in the shoulder area of the case then the escaping gasses are coming back toward the shooter. D.H.
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From what I've read Titegroup works well in a large case without any Dacron I was going to try 5 grs. and work my way up from there checking the barrel for obstructions each shot
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I agree about the Dacron. That is why I like Trail Boss for light loads. Big and bulky, no need for filler no matter how light the load. Also you can't get enough TB in a case to cause any harm so no worries about double charges.
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I did this for years with 44Mag shot capsules loaded in 444 cases. The critical factor is powder load; generally, less is better.

I was loading them in my 77/44, and agree completely. For decent patterns I was loading WAY below the listed charges for pistols.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:20 PM
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Gave up on the shotshell idea
Tried a 000 ball loaded with 4 grains Titegroup (no dacron) standard primer, 10 shots made a one hole group 2" low at 25 yards, wouldn't register a velocity on my magnetospeed so I'm assuming low velocity. Should work good on grouse
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Glad to hear that worked out so well. If they are subsonic they should be very quiet as well. Pocket fuĺl of those will put a pile of grouse on the table.
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Gave up on the shotshell idea
Tried a 000 ball loaded with 4 grains Titegroup (no dacron) standard primer, 10 shots made a one hole group 2" low at 25 yards, wouldn't register a velocity on my magnetospeed so I'm assuming low velocity. Should work good on grouse
Some of the cast .357 bullets would make a nice game getter also. Particularly the hollow base wadcutters if you wanted to keep the velocity very low.

That's one thing that always appealed to me about the .358 cartridges.
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