More recovered TSX's

[redranger15]

Deer head on into chest 75 yards found at back hip. 110gr 270 wsm.

Same shot. deferent deer.

[fishinmatt]

Pulled this Barnes 300 grain 50 cal Mz expander out of a decent whitetail tonight. The deer was shot facing straight at me from about 40 yds and the bullet was recovered from near the hip after going through the heart, lung and some gut. Muzzle velocity would have been around 1900 ft/sec I think. Surprisingly he ran about 50 yds but it was an amazing blood trail for only an entry wound. Recovery weight was 299.2 grains.

[overhere]

Are you guys hand loading these?? I'm trying to work up a load for my 308 win. But they seem to be compressing the powder. Any tips??

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by overhere

Are you guys hand loading these?? I'm trying to work up a load for my 308 win. But they seem to be compressing the powder. Any tips??

What bullet weight are you using and how far are you seating them from the lands?

[overhere]

I follow my book so .... At 41.5 grns 3031. And bullet oal 2.780. It is compressing the powder. I don't know if that is safe ????? I noticed that the 150 gmx. Is way longer than a 150 sp interlock

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by overhere

I follow my book so .... At 41.5 grns 3031. And bullet oal 2.780. It is compressing the powder. I don't know if that is safe ????? I noticed that the 150 gmx. Is way longer than a 150 sp interlock

I would be measuring the distance to the lands with that bullet, and then seat them .050" off of the lands, as long as they still fit the magazine at that length. That will likely be considerably longer than the COL given in the manual, so that you won't be compressing the powder as much. If you don't like compressed loads , forget the 3031, and try some TAC. Budget Shooters Supply has TAC on hand. Other dealers may also have it in stock.

As well, if you never experiment with seating depths, your rifle is very likely not producing the accuracy that it is capable of producing.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by overhere

I follow my book so .... At 41.5 grns 3031. And bullet oal 2.780. It is compressing the powder. I don't know if that is safe ????? I noticed that the 150 gmx. Is way longer than a 150 sp interlock

The GMX is longer because it is made of all copper which is lighter than lead. So to be the same weight, there is more material.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

The GMX is longer because it is made of all copper which is lighter than lead. So to be the same weight, there is more material.

The Barnes bullets like the TSX/TTSX/LRX are made with pure copper, Hornady uses gilding metal for the GMX. But you are correct in that it is lighter than lead.

[overhere]

So a compressed load is still safe? As long as I work up slow like any other load

[Pathfinder76]

There is nothing wrong with compressed loads. As long as the bullet stays put.

[double gun]

Elk, 200-250yrds from a 300RUM - 180gr tsx. I found 4 other separate petals, but this was the only complete bullet recovered. Not sure how it came to rest where it did, but here it is.

[sevenmil]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Is there a rule of thumb for the lowest velocity TSX's can reliably expand? I have read 2500fps of impact velocity should be the lower level. Do you have a rough idea of what the impact velocity was with those bullets?

I read a barnes brochure that said 1600fps was the low end. I have a recovered 140 tsx that I pulled from a ram taken at over 400 yards. It opened up just fine.

[Jordan Smith]

Most TSX's require about 2000 fps for good expansion. Some LRX bullets are designed to expand adequately down to 1600.

[whiskeywillow]

Here's a few LRX 168's out of mine & my brothers rifles...

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These two were recovered out of a 335" Bull Elk, rough impact of 2875fps. Picture perfect expansion.

[whiskeywillow]

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And of these two, the left was recovered in a big bull Elk as well, but was an impact of roughly 2300 fps, bullet drove right thru ribs on each side of the chest cavity and lodged under the offside skin.. shot was at 700 yards, bull was bedded. 2 consecutive follow up shots both passed through once he was hit and stood. Pretty certain the first one lodged just-because of the angle and position the bull was at when it impact
...the bullet on the right was recovered in my testing here at home into soaked, wet dirt at 940 yards & roughly 1825fps. So the LRX anyway, they do open below 2000fps.
The interesting thing to note is how much bullet gets chewed away as those babies are plowing through penetrating gristle and bone, like mine & a few other guys' have posted in previous posted pics* I find that amazing. Looking at the way the forward side of the bullet (where the pedals came off) is totally polished smooth from travelling through that animal just goes to show how 'tough' & abrasive the flesh, bone and gristle really is! And the nice thing to take from it-is that the bullet continued along it's path furthering the kill.. which is what we want. I feel this is a huge benefit of "solids" on big-boned heavy game that gets overlooked by alot of shooters.

[KBF]

Originally Posted by whiskeywillow

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And of these two, the left was recovered in a big bull Elk as well, but was an impact of roughly 2300 fps, bullet drove right thru ribs on each side of the chest cavity and lodged under the offside skin.. shot was at 700 yards, bull was bedded. 2 consecutive follow up shots both passed through once he was hit and stood. Pretty certain the first one lodged just-because of the angle and position the bull was at when it impact
...the bullet on the right was recovered in my testing here at home into soaked, wet dirt at 940 yards & roughly 1825fps. So the LRX anyway, they do open below 2000fps.
The interesting thing to note is how much bullet gets chewed away as those babies are plowing through penetrating gristle and bone, like mine & a few other guys' have posted in previous posted pics* I find that amazing. Looking at the way the forward side of the bullet (where the pedals came off) is totally polished smooth from travelling through that animal just goes to show how 'tough' & abrasive the flesh, bone and gristle really is! And the nice thing to take from it-is that the bullet continued along it's path furthering the kill.. which is what we want. I feel this is a huge benefit of "solids" on big-boned heavy game that gets overlooked by alot of shooters.

What rifle setup are you shooting?

[sevenmil]

Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

Most TSX's require about 2000 fps for good expansion. Some LRX bullets are designed to expand adequately down to 1600.

Where did you hear that? That is not what I have read. Barnes bullets claims their tsx will open up in ballistic gelatin at 1600 fps. I am talking about the good old bare bones TSX. I have never researched what Barnes claims about the minimum velocity window of the LRX.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sevenmil

Where did you hear that? That is not what I have read. Barnes bullets claims their tsx will open up in ballistic gelatin at 1600 fps. I am talking about the good old bare bones TSX. I have never researched what Barnes claims about the minimum velocity window of the LRX.

Barnes lists 1800 to 2000fps for the TSX/TTSX, and 1600fps for the LRX.

[whiskeywillow]

Originally Posted by KBF

What rifle setup are you shooting?

7.21 Lazzeroni Firebird, built into a Sako action. 168 LRX@3200fps

Been shooting this rifle for just about 15 years, almost everything I've ever hunted has been hunted with-it... and I hunt alot. It started out as a TRG-S Sako and has since been fully customized, re-barreled, re-stocked, lightened and braked to serve as my #1 go-to for everything hunting rig. Hands down favorite one.

In my opinion, a solid like the LRX at the velocity I can push it is a combination that I'd trust even in the event it had to stop a Bear someplace in an unfriendly situation.. but we won't go there and start 'that' lol... Plain English, I'd be confident to carry it anyplace I ever intend to draw tags and take my horses, or dirty my boots & knife.

...close range, or long (if it had to be)

[sevenmil]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Barnes lists 1800 to 2000fps for the TSX/TTSX, and 1600fps for the LRX.

Where do they list this? Can't find this on their website.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sevenmil

Where do they list this? Can't find this on their website.

They used to list the minimum velocities on the website.

[Jordan Smith]

A quick email to them will likely get a response from Ty listing the info you seek. Each model of bullet is a bit different, so it helps to cite the particular bullet you'd like info on.

[Pilsner Man]

Here is a 180 ttsx that traveled through about 4 ft of elk. Shot from a 300 rum at around 100 yards. The bullet beside it is a 150 grain scirocco ii from a 280 ackley at around 100 yards as well. Both bullets were found up against the hide on the opposite side of the elk they were used on.

[Yaha Tinda]

Dug this one out of the off side leg bone of a WT. It was a quartering away shot behind the last rib that went through the heart and lodged in the leg bone just below the joint, shattering the leg into tiny fragments. Deer travelled 50 meters, Weatherby mag 240, 3350 fps, distance was 230ish meters.

[marxman]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

There is that center rib that piques my interest.

Its the tsx central miracle. Let inspiration make you a believer, whatever you see

[huntingfamily]

Interesting article I stumbled onto:

http://www.fieldandstream.com/long-range-shootout

[sure as shootin']

Originally Posted by overhere

So a compressed load is still safe? As long as I work up slow like any other load

I use 130 gr. TTSX in my Sako .308 with 49.1 gr. of Varget. COAL: 2.810 It's compressed but no issues what's so ever. Gives me about 3000 fps. Very accurate load!

[Peebles]

Recovered this from a cow moose at 18m. It broke her far side shoulder after going through the lungs and I pulled it out during butchery. 150 grain TTSX from my .308 over 46.3 grains of Varget. It's my first year shooting copper bullets - I think I'll keep it up.

[roger]

Originally Posted by FishHunterPro

Shot my buck this year with my 7mm-08 and 120TTSX at about 30-40yrds tops. Had a quick scan of the kill site and found my bullet in a tree maybe another 15yrd behind my buck.

although not very poplar, its bark is worse than its bite!

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Pilsner Man

Here is a 180 ttsx that traveled through about 4 ft of elk. Shot from a 300 rum at around 100 yards. The bullet beside it is a 150 grain scirocco ii from a 280 ackley at around 100 yards as well. Both bullets were found up against the hide on the opposite side of the elk they were used on.

I like the looks of the one on the left. In my opinion the ttsx or the tsx bullets are too hard and lack the hydrostatic shock you get from higher expansion bullets. I try to be a lung shooter and sometimes those Barnes zip right through like stabbing the animal with a pencil, like shooting them with a field point.